Wessel Roux
Deon Carstens....a Peeper favourite
Petrie Wannenturd
AJ Venter
Andre Vos
Wynand Olivier
Gcobani Bobo
Peter Grant
Selbourne Boome
Johan Goosen
Tiaan Liebenburg
Yuk-ou Taute
Luke Watson
Ruin Combrink
Yuk-ou Kriel
Jean Deysel ...another Peeper favourite
Flexing Faan Rautenbach
Deon Greyling
Coonie Oosthuzen
Marcel van der Merwe joke
Julian Redlinghuis
Moojati
To name a few Duds.
Conrad Jantjes, Werner Greef, Deon Kayser, Raymond Rhule. Some of those names... it's hard to believe how long it's been!
Most of the above was selected by the six dud coaches we had since 1994 and one could add some of the worst players to that list.
Werner Greeff (Wuhnuh Krief to the Kiwis) was pretty handy. So too Wynand Olivier who was always solid if not spectacular, while Ruan Combrinck actually sparked our comeback in the win over Ireland in 2016 with an inspired individual performance, which I think is more than you can say for many others in those lists.
Mohoje
Quinton Davids
Lawrence Sephaka
Eddie Andrews
Solly Tyibilika
Jorrie Muller
Solly is a sad case. Got caught up in the wrong crowd and never realised his potential. The highlight of his career was the 2006 Tri Nations where he dutifully filled in during an injury crisis which left the team building a new lose trio almost every game for a stretch. In the end, his lifestyle caught up with him and he was shot in a bar.
The combination that Jake settled with for the back-to-back wins over Australia and New Zealand were 6.Spies, 7.AJ Venter, 8.Wannenburg. I don't think Venter or Wannenburg were sophisticated players by any means, but they totally blunted the triple fetching threat of Australia and left New Zealand so frustrated that McCaw was left spitting Sour grapes after the loss. I still have those games on disc.
Mujati was an atrocity in 2008. Even Peter could see that his black revolution of the Boks wasn't working and Mujati was gone. He was a loafer and couldn't scrum. He only started to improve after a couple of seasons up north, still not worthy of a call-up.
Morné is the most successful South African 10 with the most Bok, Suoer rugby, Tri Nations and test records. To criticise him wreaks of immaturity, ignorance and childishness.
Interestingly you still cling to Goosen. He tanked the Dunedin test and failed to make any impression on attack. He was absolutely blown away in every contact situation, couldn't read play, repeatedly missing opportunities and setting up hospital passes to Kirchner and Taute several times in one game. Nearly botched a try against Australia when failing and simple draw and pass, leaving Kirchner having to fight to the line as he recieved ball and defende at the same time. A bit of a crabber like Beale with telegraphed passes. His greatest moment was a solo run that lead to nowhere and was turned over. At fullback - a position I predicted he'd find himself in a three games into the 2012 Super rugby seasson, after the game against the Bulls to be more specific - he was mildly better but still failed to shine on the 2014 EOYT. This time, noone missed him when he was dropped. All of this, but Morné is the worst? Laughable. Insane actually.
BJ Botha was most technical scrumming tighthead. Some matchups weren't in his favour, but he was a good Bok. How you can favour Mujati but ridicule BJ boggles the mind.
Juan? The best 13 after Fourie up until Am? He was a huge part of the success of the Stormers, a key component of their stout defence and was rock solid on the 2012 EOYT. One of Meyer's biggest mistakes was omitting him for the WC. As it happened, Kriel was Bok-choy soup and JJ was a Barbie doll out of her depth. Thrilling stuff.
No, you are too pig headed to acknowlegde why he was dropped. Thereafter, we didn't need him. We heard this tune before though, last year and about Reinach. "Best 9 in the NH". Plays for the Boks and can't kick, can't pass more than two feet without missing the target. The same technocally flawed player who embarassed himself for the Boks in his first stint. Mujati was another of those.
12 tests? Really. He needs more than 12 tests? What were some of his numbers? Mujati vs Australia, in our 53-8 victory: 1m in 2 runs, 1 turnover conceded and 2 tackles. His production was poor. And he couldn't scrum. It was Mujati that prompted the Smit experiment on the 2008 EOYT.
Dave
AO does not know anything about performance evaluation - that is why he is a total dud in player performance evaluation. I did not know why Mujati was dropped from the Springbok squad - but I think that it may have had something to do with his naturalization as SA Citizen. I can vaguely remember that his father was given a farm taken away from an SA Citizen and there were string objection to him being granted SA Citizenship. There may have been some links to Mujati himself and that farm.
I may be wrong - but I think the above is what caused his departure from SA,
AO
when you give an account as to what happened in games I immediately believe that the exact opposite to whatever you came up with is the case,
AO
when you give an account as to what happened in games I immediately believe that the exact opposite to whatever you came up with is the case,
He played in 12 tests. That's a fact. He had 12 caps. I have you glimpse into his showings in our biggest win when Australia played one of their worst games in several decades. How then can you justify him? You can't. He failed. Morné made an impact coming off the bench. He started off the bench at 15 when he saved the first Lions test with try saving tackle over the line. A player can make an impact off the bench. Mujati's production simply wasn't there. You were the only person singing his praises and you have no grounds to justify it.
Biggest Bok flop of all time Luke Watson.....all mouth, no game.
I wish I could have seen the faces on the suits who forced Watson into Jake's team for the 2007 Samoa warmup. Seeing him flounder, hilarious! I know how Jake was feeling inside...
Being objective as you all know me to be, Mujati should never have been given a crack in the Bok mix.
He didn't have any of the required skills to make it in rugby ... especially not at test level. A gravy trainer if ever I saw one. He depended on his skin colour but even that didn't help him.
They needed a black face to appease the racist regime ... any black face would do ... and he was it. We've seen this many times over these last few decades. Skin colour is enough to qualify you ... not talent.
There was a reason he was kept on the bench ... it's called incompetence ... quota ... token ... totally inept. Pick one.
" ... and turned out to be one of the best tightheads I have ever seen ... "
Well that's no surprise, Dumb Fuck. It's exactly the thing one would expect from a person who rates Elton Jantjies and Gelant as world beaters.
Musati was an embarrassing experiment that backfired and left the racists red faced. We've seen many similar experiments falling short of the mark. Kolisi our captain is one such failure on a long list.
Well there you have it, Dumb Fuck Dave. Glad to help you out.
By the way talking about poor performances by players seeing how Morne was boo-ed by the PE crowd when he made atrocious out-of-hand kicks in the 2012 test against England hurt but di d not surprise me at all. The man had no idea about what to do with balls he received other than kick the ball - irrespective of how poor the kicks were.
The Springboks were lucky to draw the test after Pienaar cut out the blundering Morne and passed the ball directly to Pietersen to score a try, Morne missed the conversion. The Springboks were extremely lucky to draw that match. One of the worst in Morne's career of continuous test blunders,
I think it would help if you actually watched these games. That's your first mistake. Sitting in front of ESPN with popcorn, looking at what numbers you can manipulate is no substitute for actually watching the game.
The problem is I normally watch tests repeatedly on TV so as to see what went right and what went wrong, And what I wrote about players are more factual than the so-called numbers you come up with,
That is why you are a complete idiot when it comes to anything as to player performances and come up with total BS claiming the Springboks in losing all the games in the 2015 RC performed better than the Springboks who won two and drew a third match and won the trophy i n 2019. A similar claim about the 2015 and 2019 WC series were punted by you as well. Silly stuff - so ridiculous it is unbelievable.
Blown away. Couldn't fetch too save his life. Best served fetching daddy's slippers.
Dave is right - Luke was part of the sick Watson political clan in PE and the family was later proved to be the but of a lot of corruption involving billions of Rand, . Instead of keeping out of the political side his comments on wanting to vomit on the Springbok jersey was the real reason or his demise as a rugby player in SA,
Brussow has had another problem namely injuries and he was for long periods out of the game because of it. That may have contributed to the lessening of the tests played by him amd to suggest underrating is a real misnomer.
When he returned to play got the Cheetahs in 2013 he struggled when he tried to make turnovers he was way to frequently penalized and the player who that year made the most breakdown turnovers was Labuschagne - not Brussow, which did not help him in getting the worst ever team selector coach in SA Rugby history to consider him for selection.
I called Watson out as overrated in 2004. The writing was on the wall as far back as then. He was never going to cut it as a Bok. Never. This has nothing to do with his family, he was simply grossly overrated. Winning an award doesn't change the reality. And South Africa is so steeped in mediocrity it can't tolerate anything more.
An openside that couldn't fetch. That 2007 Samoan friendly was a perfect platform for him and he failed. Notice how the groundswell of support dissipated after that game. It was a spectacular failure. He did nothing of note in any of his undeserved ten tests.
