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Boks must think outside the box says Venter

Started by Beeno160 REPLIES581 VIEWS· 08 Dec 2014, 09:17
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Dec 2014, 15:07
#41
09 Dec 2014, 15:07#41
 The Troof Fairy is writing aboslute BS.   F ouche was replaced by Potgieter and with Pollard occassionally on the bench.  Potgieter never replaced Pollard - the fairy has gone bananas.
Pollard nearly cost us a few tests this year - to be "saved" by Morne  Steyn - that really is pathetic.  OK - Pollard "nearly" cost us a few tests this year - Morne Steyn definitely cost us a test this year - as he did in 2012 and 2013.   
"Goosen, uhm yes right, who was in the first receiver position twice against Italy and made the wrong decision both times. Against Italy! FFS! "   Are you out of your mind!!!  Easy to say after the fct thathe made the wrong decisions - based on what?   How you could cook up other possibilities in theory.    That kind of statement is  absolute BS.
It is not worthwhile to discuss anuthing with twisted minds and that goes for the Troof Fairy as well.


 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Dec 2014, 15:43
#42
09 Dec 2014, 15:43#42

Troof don't start lying you prat that carries no weight.....unless you are man enough to provide evidence of only one poor pass made by Hougaard that you infer I made.

 

Oh so now de Allende lost us the game.....how bloody childish

 

Trevor is not fat

 

I said stuff all about the Bulls flyhalves

 

No you will find that Lood made the side as the bubbling under......you are speaking crap again.

 

He was outstanding for the Cheetahs, the very reason he found himself in the Bok squad you dunce

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Dec 2014, 18:06
#43
09 Dec 2014, 18:06#43
 10 Pat Lambie A bit of a nervy game from the flyhalf, a couple silly mistakes but a great penalty kick or two as well as a nice break.6/10  9 Cobus Reinach Still a little slow in his service as he took his time in making decisions.6/10   As opposed to:  10 Dan Biggar looked really sharp right from the kick-off, excelled in all aspects oh flyhalf play as well as other parts in the game, outstanding on defence.9/10  9 Rhys Webb speedy service and that set the tone for the Welsh.  You see Bek, your misleading little facts don't make the case. The Lambie "break" came from an overrun by a Wales front ranker and another forward who literally went over the top of him. From there he had clean field and finally blew the whole thing. Apart from that there were dropped balls, kickoffs into touch, kickoffs over the goal line....hospital passes and the like. There was no comparison between wha t Biggar did for his team and the momentum killing play of Pat Lambie. Stop distorting the truth.
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
09 Dec 2014, 18:35
#44
09 Dec 2014, 18:35#44
Biggar defended well and kicked well. That's it. But then he also had 70% more ball than Lambie, 
De Villiers and Serfontein recieved the ball 4 times each, as opposed to Roberts and Davies who recieved the ball 17 and 12 times respectively.
Which tells you the tactics differed, now the game plan is down to what Meyer wants.
As for distorting the truth?
Check your match stats and then come back to me
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Dec 2014, 18:38
#45
09 Dec 2014, 18:38#45

Well as Biltong pointed out the stats say otherwise......both Reinach and Lambie were better with ball in hand.....fact.

 

The issue was not 9 & 10 against Wales, it was the poor team selection in general and poor game plan instructed by the coach  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Dec 2014, 19:49
#46
09 Dec 2014, 19:49#46
The issue against Wales was 9 and 10. Biggar and Webb kicked way better and eliminated obvious momentum killing mistakes. All of Lambie, Raainach and Hougaard killed perfectly good Bok possession with momentum killers. They were the nexus of the problem.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Dec 2014, 20:19
#47
09 Dec 2014, 20:19#47
 Ag foeitog
Poor Mozart's nexus is his lack of undersanding of rugby.   He makes wild statements and cannot prove it.   That is very sad indeed.    
Problem is when he cannot prove a thing - he makes statements to try and put over a point that he is clueless about.   Kicking is often influenced by a team when under pressure to get out of their 22.   How many times did Lambie and Reinach kicked under those cirucmstances?    
Then there is the dubious statement of them being momentum killers - Mozart is losing it completely.   For instance how many times did Reinach handled the ball - in total 58 times - he passed the ball 50 times - kicked thrice - carried the ball 5 times, making one clean line break beating three defenders -  so he was a momentum killer.    The poor old man has been trumped every time he criticized Reinach and is now in invention mode.     

   
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Dec 2014, 20:31
#48
09 Dec 2014, 20:31#48

Who can prove anything in rugby. But I'm comfortable with two stats in making my final determination. The scoreline and the ratings of the very pro Bok 365 judges . If they say the Welsh pair was way better, you can be assured they said it through clenched teeth.

 

 

This is not even a debate, just the death rattle of three losers who picked Lambie and Raainag.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Dec 2014, 20:42
#49
09 Dec 2014, 20:42#49
 So new the journalists are to be believed - what a farce that is.   Their ratings are unreliable and often a joke.   I have seen them giving toprating to a player who missed most tackles in the team in a givn match.
Foitog - he still does not get it.   It is much more reliable to look at the match stats than at the  ratings of journalists.   However, where in the ratings did the journalistssay that Lambie and Reinach are momentum killers?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Dec 2014, 20:49
#50
09 Dec 2014, 20:49#50
Oh so now individual game stats are reliable and definitive, when you have been denying that all year. Good one OOM.
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
09 Dec 2014, 20:55
#51
09 Dec 2014, 20:55#51
 Mozart, straight up, no evasive tactics, and no distractions, what is your RWC team?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Dec 2014, 21:03
#52
09 Dec 2014, 21:03#52

No evasive tactics....you really know how to hurt a guy.  Who knows at this point. I'd probably have Frans at 12.....although we might be better off with Frans at 10 and Pollard at 12. I might have de Allende at 13, but more likely JP...and so on.

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
09 Dec 2014, 21:08
#53
09 Dec 2014, 21:08#53
Stop evading the question.
There are 23 players in a matchday squad, who? 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2014, 00:01
#54
10 Dec 2014, 00:01#54
W ell I have to work on a couple of differential equations and one calculus of variations issue on Matfield's trajectories. I should have an answer soon. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2014, 00:07
#55
10 Dec 2014, 00:07#55
 BB
Don't expect an answer toyour latest question.   The fact that Mozart still wants one of the biggest flops in Super 15 - Francois Steyn - in the Springbok team should be enough to indicate what the rest of his team would loo like.   
Fransie is 10 times slower than Lambie and he has no passing game - but he was in the 2007 EWC team and he is physucally big - but poor in execution.   However, the latter is of no account insofar  his selection is concerned.    If you really want to see a flop then select  Fat Fransie in any positioo.   
Fact is Mozart remains one of the most prejudiced members on this site - anybody not in  or threatening favourites in the Springbok team is denigrated - mostly on absolutely ridiculous grounds but he would not stop at spreading absolute BS as well.  So accept the fact neve r to take his comments seriously - he is in fact a big joke and amusement as well. .    
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2014, 01:08
#56
10 Dec 2014, 01:08#56
Oh what rubbish 9 & 10 had nothing to do with our losses. They were better than their opponents with ball in hand. The issue was poor team selection and poor coaching.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2014, 03:14
#57
10 Dec 2014, 03:14#57
No the issue was the turnovers from lambie......one kickoff into touch, one dropped pass, one hospital pass that led to a turnover, one kick dead, one missed drop, several aimless tactical kicks gobbled up by the Welsh. A dd them all up and Lambie was worth more than half the Welsh metres gained. In a close test that aggregation of mistakes can cost you the game....and it did. 
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
10 Dec 2014, 07:47
#58
10 Dec 2014, 07:47#58
 Mozart, so you have successfully deflected my question.
Am I going to get to see your preferred RWC team, or you just going to keep breaking down players without actually offering the alternative?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2014, 07:52
#59
10 Dec 2014, 07:52#59
Sure BB, but it's time to call it a day. Look for me in the west at the first light, or was that Gandalf?  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2014, 08:13
#60
10 Dec 2014, 08:13#60
 BB
Forget about getting an answer from Mozart - he will keep on criticizng incumbent players and then come back eventuallywith age and previously 2007 WC players as the answer.
A case ofrefusal to accept change - a sure sign of ancien dementia.   
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Dec 2014, 09:01
#61
10 Dec 2014, 09:01#61
 Draad Meyer is light years ahead of Pieter De Villiers.  Ou pdv was as bad as it gets.I see elsewhere that BB says that Johan Ackermann has been offered a coaching job in Japan. Fact is ou pdv will never get an offer outside of quota ridden South Afrca. Not even a school offer!
Moz is on the right track re Pollard pla ying before Lambie, the essential point methinks!
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