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Boks the ultimate physical test; Rugby 365

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Aug 2015, 07:08
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05 Aug 2015, 07:08#1
Pumas loosehead prop Marcos Ayerza says he regards the Springboks as the most physical team in the world. The 32-year-old Leicester Tigers stalwart made his Test debut against the Springboks back in 2004, and having collected 57 caps since then he will be one of the key figures when the two sides meet in Durban on Saturday. Both teams pride themselves on the dominance of their forward packs, and Ayerza said that going up against the Springboks on their home turf will be the ultimate test in terms of physicality. "We are going to have a tough battle against the most physical team in the world, and for any forward that is a huge challenge and a great game to look forward to. "You realise when you play any South African how physical dominance is part of their genetics really," he said. Argentina are renowned for their imposing scrum, which means that the opposition often raise their game in this area against them and Ayerza is expecting a tough examination against a Springbok scrum which was very competitive against the Wallabies and All Blacks. "The scrum for South Africa has always been a good formation and platform where they start their physicality and their dominance. "This year we saw a scrum that was dominant against Australia for most of the game and against the All Blacks as well they were dominant and used that platform well. "I thought that improvement has been very good, I know they have some injury concerns at the weekend to see who will play but we know that it is going to be a tough battle for us," he said. The front row veteran admitted that he is relieved that he will not have to go up against injured Bok tighthead Jannie du Plessis this weekend, and underlined the importance of the scrum battle at Kings Park. "I am not sure who will play, if Jannie has confirmed that he is not playing that will be a good thing for Argentina, he is a world class player in his position. "We have also suffered some setbacks injury-wise and we are looking forward to having a good game in that aspect. "I think the scrum on the weekend will have a lot of say on the outcome of the game for both teams, but especially for Argentina. We base our confidence and mentality on the scrum and we pride ourselves on that formation. "The challenge for us is to be at our best in every game, because we know that every team that faces us is going to up their game in that aspect, and will be more focused and up for it. "It is a challenge for us to keep on being competitive and dominant and keep building our game from that formation," he said. Ayerza emphasised how important it is for Argentina to make a step-up from their scrummaging performances against New Zealand and Australia as they look to hit their straps in this area leading into the World Cup. "Against the All Blacks it was a tough contest in the scrums, we didn't have a foot on the game in that formation, we had some good scrums but overall it was a mixed feeling because we weren't as dominant as we thought we could have been. "Against Australia we had some rewards, some dominance and some penalties, but at the end of the game when the subs came on we lost our focus and concentration and conceded two penalties at the end and suffered in some scrums. "We know we have to be consistent and play for 80 minutes, we have to be dominant in every scrum and not just the odd scrum," he added. By Michael de Vries, in Durban
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
05 Aug 2015, 07:13
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05 Aug 2015, 07:13#2
 Interesting thoughts, I can't wait to hear what the experts have to say! LOL!
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Aug 2015, 07:13
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05 Aug 2015, 07:13#3
 Both scrums are not at their best due to injuries but the scrum is only one of the points of interest, I am also interested in how the backs perform. Will de Allende show he has the defensive skills to still some of the voices on this site, lol Will wee Willie settle his game down? who will start at 10? The Boks have a lot of questions that need answering & time is running out.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
05 Aug 2015, 07:23
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05 Aug 2015, 07:23#4
If Meyer plays Lambie I will have lost a lot of respect for him. The question is if Argentina will be up for this game. If they are, they are hugely physical in the interior channels with very direct charges. Damian struggled at 13 the last time and was subsequently dropped! However, Argentina look dormant this year. 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
05 Aug 2015, 07:56
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05 Aug 2015, 07:56#5
 
Meyer is not a Lambie fan. Never has been.

Then again he isn't able to spot talent at all so nothing new there. 

I hope he selects Du Preez at 9 with Morne at 10.

I hope he brings Jean back at 12 and plays Fat Fransie at 15.

It would delight my soul to see Gurthro run on with Bakkies as the starting 4 lock.

All we need then is JJ or Taute at 13 and  Kirschner as a replacement waiting on the bench.

Then we're set for the match.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Aug 2015, 08:10
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05 Aug 2015, 08:10#6
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You have correctly identified most positions the two fundi on rugby dis-knowledge wants, but I would say Fransie at 12 and De Villiers at 13.  That would really re-establish the dead backline of 2012 in all its glory.   
The joke is that it would have the defense-deficient Steyns at 10 and 12 in all its glory as well.  I think the public would not bother to buy tickets for the match on Saturday - since that team will lose the game - again in all its glory. 
Unfortunately for the fundi - both Francois Steyn and Fourie du Preez are still injured as a result of chronic unfitness - so the backline would have to be different.  Our two fundi will be grossly disappointed by that. 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
05 Aug 2015, 08:15
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05 Aug 2015, 08:15#7
 
Mike ... it seems that the only time Meyer manages to select a little better is when his hand's forced through injury.

Truth be told ... I have never come across a moron such as Disaster in all my life.

I never thought it were possible that there is an actual living person out there that knows so little about the sport.

This imbecile is seriously void of any grey matter.

In other words ... "Behoorlik gefo-k in die kop" ... if you'll excuse my French.


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generaltitPro3,164 posts
05 Aug 2015, 08:19
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05 Aug 2015, 08:19#8
The Pumas have arguably the best front row in the world, sadly they will miss prop Ramiro Herrera but Creevy the hooker I rate above even Bismarck...it is just a pity their back line does not come up to scratch with their forwards...I predict this as a surprise game...the Argies are going to give this opportunity a full go...its not going to be easy.

Incidentally is Tomas Lavannini playing??
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Aug 2015, 08:30
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05 Aug 2015, 08:30#9
 Imagine starting with Beast, Bissie and Jannie
Etzebeth and Lood
Coetzee, Burger(8) VermulenThen your replacements:
Kitshoff, Strauss and Malherbe/KochSteph Du ToitLouw/Jaque Du Plessis/ kriel
Man what a bunch of forwards we an select. 80 minutes of mayhem! 
This gentlemaen is Hansens nightmare. he is counting on Meyer fouling up, quotas and injuries. Otherwise he knows its tickets!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Aug 2015, 08:33
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05 Aug 2015, 08:33#10
 Damian is excellent on defence, strong and fearless dealing even with forwards.The Pollard, Allende Kriel combo will be superb and defence will be no problem at all.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
05 Aug 2015, 08:39
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05 Aug 2015, 08:39#11
 
Apart from Bismark the entire front row needs to be replaced.

Lood is useless ... forget about him.

Burger is old and worn out ... not what he used to be ... forget about him.

Jacques Du Plessis is not Protea material ... forget about him.

Malherbe is permanently on crutches ... can't afford to carry anyone for one match on and three off injured ... forget about him.

Go spend a bit of time alone and learn about the sport of rugby ... you my henpecked friend are clueless.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
05 Aug 2015, 11:42
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05 Aug 2015, 11:42#12
 G'day ol' fella ,did you take up my suggestion about taking plugs of hair from your butt and jamming them into that bald old head of yours ?Wouldnt be the first butt-plugs you've used eh ? Hehehehehe.....
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
05 Aug 2015, 12:43
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05 Aug 2015, 12:43#13
 "Damian is excellent on defence"???!!!Hasbeeno, please reboard your spacecraft and get back to whatever planet you come from.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
05 Aug 2015, 13:26
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05 Aug 2015, 13:26#14
Beano, Damian was getting run over by forwards this year and little Hooper drove him backwards!
Statistically the worst defensive centre in the SH! Even Nonu was shocked. Kuridrani made Damian look completely clueless. To get by him so many times without a hand layed on him, shameful! Just like last year.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Aug 2015, 13:52
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05 Aug 2015, 13:52#15
 moolaa
I think Beeno referred to the recent test at Ellis Park  where the AB centers disgraced themselves.   I do not share Beeno's high marks on the defence of De Allende - but he is definitely not a major problem case in defense - as some members make him out to be and he will get better.   

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
06 Aug 2015, 03:51
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06 Aug 2015, 03:51#16
 Mike, if De Allende is forced to tackle then he's not too bad but too many times I've seen him hold back if there's other defenders around and wait for them to do the dirty work.A classic example of that was when Nonu palmed him off inside his 22 in the Canes vs Stormers game and De Allende basically shadowed him from there not even attempting to make up for his error and waiting for others to do the deed!Result? No-one tackled Nonu early enough and the Canes scored at the other end.You can't afford to be lazy as an international 12.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
06 Aug 2015, 03:59
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06 Aug 2015, 03:59#17
Without a loose forward shadowing him he would have been run over or beaten cleanly 100% in this Rugby Championship... well except for that hospital pass from the Aussie replacement 9 that had Damian knock him back after lining him up easily. He touches the opponent, then another Bok comes in from behind and provides the stopping power. It's what Juan and Spies used to do for Jacobs. Not a good sign for a 12! And there is a preference for him to defend as far out as possible after the Australia loss.
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