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Butch James on Flyhalf Play

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 05:22
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17 Jul 2015, 05:22#1

The following from an interview by News 24:-


In an exclusive interview, former Springbok flyhalf BUTCH JAMES on who he would pick to start at No 10 for South Africa, Jean de Villiers’ miraculous recovery and Saturday’s Rugby Championship clash in Brisbane.


Sport24 asked: Peter de Villiers wrote of you, “I don’t know any other player who was prepared to suffer so much physical agony for his team.” How were you able to play through the pain barrier?

Butch James: When I saw the appreciation on my teammates’ faces for my efforts, it took away any physical pain I might have felt at the time. It was pleasing to enjoy a good game from a personal perspective and be rewarded with individual accolades, but I always put team success ahead of my own ambitions. Rugby is all about the team dynamic, and the moment you lose sight of that, you are going to start playing badly. I definitely agree that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.


Sport24 asked: You once tore your ACL. What impressed you about Jean de Villiers’ recovery?

Butch James: It’s quite amazing how quickly he has recovered. I had breakfast with him three months ago, and he was already jumping and running around. Jean is a hard worker and puts in a lot of effort behind the scenes. That paid off for him when he returned to the field for the final 20 minutes against the World XV. It was great to see him back, and I hope he gets a few more games under his belt and goes from strength to strength. What motivated me to return from injury was the feeling you experience with your teammates in the change room after a good win. You can’t buy that feeling anywhere in the world and that was what drove me on during dark patches.


Sport24 asked: Jean de Villiers described you as, “One of the most underrated flyhalves we have ever had in this country.” As a player, were you pigeon-holed for your no-arms tackle technique?

Butch James: There were effectively two different eras of my professional playing career. When I was really young, I didn’t understand my exact role in the team and, at times, I would run around like a headless chicken. Looking back, I was a bit reckless and went through a phase of no-arms tackling, which people still stop me in the street to recount. But as I matured and started to understand my role, I guided the ship like most flyhalves do nowadays. That responsibility helped my game and ultimately made me a better player. The two most important aspects of flyhalf play is understanding space – when to take the ball flat and when to take it deep – and distribution. A pivot’s passing has to be pin-point. A flyhalf has to be the second best passer in the team, behind the scrumhalf, as it depends on the flyhalf’s pass whether or not a particular move on attack will work.


Sport24 asked: If you were Springbok coach, who would you select as your first-choice NO 10?

Butch James: The battle at flyhalf between Handré Pollard and Pat Lambie is neck-a-neck, but I would start with Pollard at ten and shift Lambie to fullback. While Willie le Roux had a brilliant game against the World XV, I would feel much safer with Lambie at fullback in a World Cup semi-final or final. He is more solid and won’t make too many mistakes. Although Pollard didn’t kick well for poles last Saturday at Newlands, he boasts an 80 percent goal-kicking success rate. He is also more physical than Lambie, and with players bigger, faster and stronger in the game today, he fits the bill.


Sport24 asked: You spent five seasons with Bath. How did your all-round game develop?

Butch James: When I moved to Bath in 2007, we actually had quite an attack-minded team, so it was enjoyable from a playing perspective. There was a bit of rain and mud, but at that level the players are good enough to run the ball. My attacking game improved and we played a great brand of rugby. We really gave it a good crack and scored some excellent tries. My rugby developed when I was in England because I enjoyed it so much. It’s a misnomer to suggest English teams kick and don’t run. At times, the game up north is a bit slower owing to the conditions, but the modern pitches drain really well, which allows teams to express themselves and not only play amongst the forwards.


Sport24 asked: Do you agree with the notion that New Zealand rugby players run into space, whereas their South Africans counterparts attempt to run at or over their opponents?

Butch James: Yes, and in order to combat this problem, I believe we need to follow New Zealand’s lead in playing according to weight categories instead of age groups. In South Africa, we get one or two big kids from under-10 level right through to high school, who are literally head and shoulders above their opponents. It’s pretty easy for them to run at and over their opposition, but when their opponents catch up to them in terms of height and weight, they have nothing else to fall back on. In New Zealand, the value of playing against opponents from a young age, who are the same size, is in developing skills to beat them by side-stepping and running at space. It’s a model we must adopt.


Sport24 asked: You played against Australia 12 times over your career and only won on five occasions. What makes them such a tricky team to beat, and your prediction for Saturday?

Butch James: The thing about the Australians is that they are really clever rugby players. The Wallabies devise good plans when they come up against the Springboks, and their attack is always well-thought-out. Australia will definitely test South Africa’s defence a lot more than the World XV did. Even if Australia endures a weak scrum performance, they will make a plan to get the ball out quickly to channel one, for example. Their lineouts are always effective and their defence is well-organised. However, if the Boks enjoy dominance upfront, the Wallabies will be in for a long day. I believe our forwards will gain the upper-hand by bashing them a bit upfront, and once we’ve sucked in a few defenders, our backs will be presented with the opportunity to prosper. Pollard will be calling for the ball to release his outside backs who can do damage. The Springboks will win 28-22."


Mozart, Desert Disaster and Ceradunce are going to go bananas - here we have an ignoramus on flyhalf play not punting Morne Steyn as the be-all and end-all of flyhalfs.   Is he as dumb on flyhalf play as the three Village Idiots claim us to be?  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2015, 06:14
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17 Jul 2015, 06:14#2
 

Sport24 asked: If you were Springbok coach, who would you select as your first-choice NO 10?

Butch James: The battle at flyhalf between Handré Pollard and Pat Lambie is neck-a-neck, but I would start with Pollard at ten and shift Lambie to fullback. While Willie le Roux had a brilliant game against the World XV, I would feel much safer with Lambie at fullback in a World Cup semi-final or final. He is more solid and won’t make too many mistakes. Although Pollard didn’t kick well for poles last Saturday at Newlands, he boasts an 80 percent goal-kicking success rate. He is also more physical than Lambie, and with players bigger, faster and stronger in the game today, he fits the bill.

 

 

Spot on Butch....exactly what I have said.....Lambie is a fullback. Of course I wouldn't play him ahead of Willie but he would be my bench 15. T hat opens the door for Morne on the bench....which is another thing I said.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 06:21
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17 Jul 2015, 06:21#3
 Did Butch actually mentioned Morne ever?  I missed out on that one if he did.  He did not even mention him insofar as I could see.  You cannot have both Lambie and Morne on the bench - that is like having two Jack Russell males and expect them to produce a litter of puppies.
I think Butch realizes Morne is a poor flyhalf with only one asset (his kicking at goal) - so no mention of him is obvious.  He could have done so when discussing the missed kicks of Pollard - but did not.     
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2015, 09:29
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17 Jul 2015, 09:29#4
 Of course ou Hangtiete would not miss out on an opportunity to p!ss about Morne Steyn.  What he seem to ignore is that his idol from Racing Metro is nowhere in the picture. Not even at his club. Looks like Butch has also pushed the "ignore" button on him. At least Morne is still in the mix and has played a big role in his club winning the Top14. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 09:38
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17 Jul 2015, 09:38#5
 Sorry Dunce
I am one for performance evaluation and Goosen did not play recently - so zero performance in his case and not selectable.
Morne was lucky - he got a few games in the starting line-up for Stade Francais and did well in kicking at goal - for th rest his game was standard Morne Steyn, BS in capital letters.   He is still in the Springbok squad (where he should not be) hence my reference to him.  
Nobody needs to piss about Morne - he is such a dud flyhalf he does it all himself.   Put on your dunce cap and go and sit in the corner, dofdoos       


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2015, 10:09
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17 Jul 2015, 10:09#6
 There is a reason why Goosen wasn't playing. He was crap and found himself dropped like a bad habit by both his club and the national coach. And that at the age of 22. A guy who was once close to being God's gift to mankind. 
Morne, on the other hand, is still very much in the mix, both at his club and by the national coach. At the age of 31, he is still recognised by many as a match winner. His recent successes, once again, highlighted the possibility that his club could have made a mistake in preferring Plisson in the 2014/15 season. 
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
17 Jul 2015, 10:10
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17 Jul 2015, 10:10#7
I found Butch's opinion on age group vs weight in young rugby players very interesting. NZ are definitely on to something here. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 10:56
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17 Jul 2015, 10:56#8
 Bluebok
When I was in school teams were selected on a weight basis.  A player could be in Matric and play under 100 lb rugby, etc.   The interesting thing here is that some youngsters grows quicker than others and that gives in the initial stage an advantage to some players ahead of others.   This is particularly so in Under 18 and Under 20 rugby.  The big "monsters" get caught up by other more skillful players and vanish from the scene or fail to mature as rugby players.
In SA another problem is that players not going to the so-called rugby schools rarely if ever make it into senior rugby.  A typical example is Damian de Allende, who was discovered by Zondagh by accident and then steered into Under 20 rugby in WP.
The early growers get all kind of benefits - play in Craven week and is then drafted into the franchise academies, the late growers never make it anywhere.   This remains one of the major problems in SA Rugby.     
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
17 Jul 2015, 11:42
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17 Jul 2015, 11:42#9
Some good points Mike! I think there needs to be a serious review of young players and the identification of talent. It is as though we are obsessed with focussing on big strong boys and turning them into rugby players, instead of focusing on the natural rugby players, and letting the rest take care of itself. Yes some guys will be to small, but others won't be. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 11:56
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17 Jul 2015, 11:56#10
 Ceradunce
I did not read that lot of tripe before and only saw the lies are overflowing again.  The fact that Goosen was not selected by his club hd nothing to do with performance and you - bloody liar - should know that.
It is only idiots like you that believe that Morne Steyn is a flyhalf.  He is a dummy and robotic player - with a fairly accurate boot at goal kicking.  The rest of his game is sh!t and that has been proven over and over again.  This guy would never ever have been a flyhalf in any of the other  ten top teams in the world and would not have been in the starting line-up of Stade Francais if Plisson was not injured.
Wake up - Dofdoos - and smell the roses.   In you case you are so mired in writing BS that smelling roses  may be missing.     
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2015, 13:31
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17 Jul 2015, 13:31#11
 Nope. It had all to do with his performance. The off-field BS only contributed to sealing his fate. If you were a coach sitting with a player not living up to the hype and his attitude towards his team and his job also stank, what would you have done? Come on. Try to be honest for once in your life. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2015, 13:42
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17 Jul 2015, 13:42#12
By the way, ou Tokkie, don't be too surprised to see your idol slipping to fourth in line, next season. That is if RM do not decide to release him and flog him off to the Stormers. Reason being that not only has RM signed Dan Carter, they have also signed French international, Remi Tales. Then they also have the services of Dambielle, who was preferred ahead of Goosen. 
I'm afraid that unless the Stormers throw him a life-line, he could well be stuffed for the foreseeable future. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 13:56
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17 Jul 2015, 13:56#13
Ceradunce
The fact is that there was no report that Goosen was not good enough to play.  The statement of the racing Metro Chairman referred only to problems relating to his French speaking issue - the rest is a lie concocted by you.  
If Racing Metro does not want him any longer they would have released him from his contract that they in fact refused to do - so "as kakpraat 'n siekte was" you would have been permanently seated on a toilet seat getting rid of the Sh!t you specialize in.   
Your favourite is the normal grade 2 or 3 at Stade Francais and nobody else wants him.  He would be in France for another year and would be jobless afterwards.   Too poor for any rugby-related job.   He is the worst flyhalf we have had the past 20 years and that is a fact.  The issue is that you are too stupid to realize that his only asset is kicking at goal - for the rest he flops like it is unbelievable.
The Stormers would dearly want him as a flyhalf, but they would not get him because of his contractual obligations with racing Metro and the massive amount they pay him.   One thing is for sure - they would never want Morne as a flyhalf.     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2015, 13:59
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17 Jul 2015, 13:59#14
I recall Swiel was your other great pick Tokkie....what worlds is he conquering these days?  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 14:18
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17 Jul 2015, 14:18#15
 Balls - I said that Swiel had ball sense and have potential to develop further - he was not my great pick.   Swiel has something Morne never had - ball sense and the ability to take decisions for the benefit of the team he played for.  He has a contract at Harlequins now and will do well for them.    
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2015, 14:27
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17 Jul 2015, 14:27#16
 So, ou Tokkie, this "massive amount of money" that they are paying Goosen....... care to shed some light on it? Maybe you should get in touch with your reliable source who has all the inside info on Racing Metro. 
For those who would like to know, ou Tokkie's reliable source is none other than the mother of Meyer Bosman, who plays for Stade Francais. Hahahahaha 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 15:01
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17 Jul 2015, 15:01#17
Ceradunce
She would know more about it than you know with your mangled mind involved. 
She told me that Meyer and Goosen are regularly meeting and that they are good friends.  The only thing she mentioned was that WP cannot afford him and that he cannot get a contract release from Racing Metro - so there is no chance he would come to the Stormers.
That is what she heard from Meyer Bosman during his 10 day holiday in Riversdale ending last week.    I wish I know he was here in Riversdale I would have liked to have a chat with him myself.
But then you take what you read in newspapers as gospel and that makes for real Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha.  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2015, 15:24
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17 Jul 2015, 15:24#18
Look mate, your either very gullible or very naive. Maybe both. What do you expect from Bosman and Goosen's so-called regular meetings? Something like......:
Bosman: "Say Johan, how come you do not even make the RM bench anymore?"Goosen: "Well it is actually because I have been playing rather crap and there are better players in the team than me. Besides my off-field antics have been pretty crap lately as well".
No chance of that happening, I think. 
What's more, he then apparently also laid some of the blame on his wife finding it difficult to adapt. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2015, 15:34
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17 Jul 2015, 15:34#19
Hahaha .....he blamed his wife. Another mommie's boy.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 16:01
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17 Jul 2015, 16:01#20
 The two fools at it again.   These players know what is going on and the kind of BS Ceradunce spin is typical of the ignorant fools thriving on lies and supporting the greatest dud one could support at flyhalf.  
Incidentally for the ignorant both Stade Francais and Racing Metro are both in Paris and their training grounds are very near to each other    You are both bloody idiots to let your prejudice get the better of you.  I am not prejudiced against anyone - I use facts to support what i say - you both talk sh!t 90% of the time.     
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2015, 16:08
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17 Jul 2015, 16:08#21
 Noooooooit. Who would have thought? Both of them both in Paris. And then there is Paris St Germain Rugby Club that is also in Paris. No wonder they were after Morne. They would not even have had relocation costs. Hahahahaha
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2015, 16:16
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17 Jul 2015, 16:16#22
 Ag Foeitog - back to that sh!t again.  Morne would be a better soccer player than a rugby player - but since he has no ball sense that would not be possible.  His kicking game at goal is good enough - the rest a senseless mess.
The Dofdoos mentality is back in you - so take a break and clear up your thinking.  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2015, 16:40
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17 Jul 2015, 16:40#23
 Hey ou Hangtiete. Why so grumpy? Your bra-strap too tight?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jul 2015, 16:48
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17 Jul 2015, 16:48#24
 Goosen for the Stormers would be excellent news - the guy is a great talent. Hope Smal has been in contact with Goosen and he comes to us!!!
Pienaar and Steyn would constitute the most pedestrian half back pair at the RWC.  No attacking threat and allowing opposition sides to concentrate their defences further out wide.In addition, between them they will kick most of our ball away.
Not guys to win a world cup.
The idea of Lambie at 15 and Willie taking JP's spot is worth trying.  Try is in the RC

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2015, 17:20
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17 Jul 2015, 17:20#25
Are you sure Goosen's wife would not find it too difficult to adapt in Cape Town?
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