http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/151119/Mitchell_best_candidate_to_replace_Jones
Captain12,893 posts
19 Nov 2015, 17:26
#1
19 Nov 2015, 17:26#1
How damn sad. Geez it's been an awful week!!
Bye Bye Eddie.....
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Pro9,905 posts
19 Nov 2015, 17:40
#2
19 Nov 2015, 17:40#2
So much for being committed to the Stormers huh .
Pro1,748 posts
19 Nov 2015, 17:52
#3
19 Nov 2015, 17:52#3
I must admit I was surprised to read that Jones had signed up with the Stormers in the first place.
Just ask yourself the following:
Well perhaps "SS" Mitchell will get his break with the Stormers.
Just ask yourself the following:
- Would u rather earn English pounds as opposed to the SA Rand.
- Would u rather managed England as opposed to the Stormers.
- Would u and your family be safer in the UK as opposed to RSA.
Well perhaps "SS" Mitchell will get his break with the Stormers.
Captain26,388 posts
19 Nov 2015, 17:57
#4
19 Nov 2015, 17:57#4
SS Mitch might be just what the Stormers need. Hope he gets the gig. SA needs a foreign coach and none better than a NZder with a no nonsense attitude.
Coach57,555 posts
19 Nov 2015, 18:00
#5
19 Nov 2015, 18:00#5
So the Stormers are in the jam again - Eddie was a great person to get. However, I am not sure what the real story is - it seems that Jones is considering the offer - but we will have to see whether the England Management is prepared to accept his demand for central contracting of players and the coach having full responsibility for the management of contracted players.
I assume they have accepted that requirement and if they did not Jones indicated previously he would not be interested in the job - since the Clubs in England has the final say about for instance releasing players to play for England.
It would be interesting to see what offer they actually made to Jones and that would come out sooner rather than later.
In the meantime it is clear that White made a fool of himself once again by making a public statement on his interest in the job. White's conduct at the Sharks leading to him having to leave the franchise and the dismal performances of Montpellier did not count in his favour either.
What also became clear is that the style of rugby practiced by coaches like White and Meyer is not acceptable to England any longer and by implication not by other NH rugby countries any longer.
I am not sure what will happen in the case of the Stormers any longer - they should try and get Mitchell or Plumtree in the place of Jones. I in fact would believe that Plumtree would be a better option - but I hope the Stormers and Smal in particular to get the situation under control.
What is clear is that aside from the salary - a huge contract release fee will be payable to the Stormers as well - so they will have the funds to go for a top coach.
I assume they have accepted that requirement and if they did not Jones indicated previously he would not be interested in the job - since the Clubs in England has the final say about for instance releasing players to play for England.
It would be interesting to see what offer they actually made to Jones and that would come out sooner rather than later.
In the meantime it is clear that White made a fool of himself once again by making a public statement on his interest in the job. White's conduct at the Sharks leading to him having to leave the franchise and the dismal performances of Montpellier did not count in his favour either.
What also became clear is that the style of rugby practiced by coaches like White and Meyer is not acceptable to England any longer and by implication not by other NH rugby countries any longer.
I am not sure what will happen in the case of the Stormers any longer - they should try and get Mitchell or Plumtree in the place of Jones. I in fact would believe that Plumtree would be a better option - but I hope the Stormers and Smal in particular to get the situation under control.
What is clear is that aside from the salary - a huge contract release fee will be payable to the Stormers as well - so they will have the funds to go for a top coach.
Captain26,388 posts
19 Nov 2015, 18:04
#6
19 Nov 2015, 18:04#6
Mike, the sum mentioned is chicken feed. Please no Plum!
Captain30,741 posts
19 Nov 2015, 18:13
#7
19 Nov 2015, 18:13#7
Good call by England......now do the Boks have the balls to sack useless Meyer and select a foreign coach?
Captain18,570 posts
19 Nov 2015, 18:44
#8
19 Nov 2015, 18:44#8
Glad it looks like the wee stormers will have a kiwi coach to straighten them out. That wee bloke beeno will have to finally acknowledge Kiwi dominance in coaching, rugby & refs
Captain26,388 posts
19 Nov 2015, 18:52
#9
19 Nov 2015, 18:52#9
Well Beenz is not too off the mark. It looks like Mitch defected for good, making the Republic his home and taking a wife from our fine stock. A move to Cape Town will complete his transformation/redemption.
Captain12,893 posts
19 Nov 2015, 19:00
#10
19 Nov 2015, 19:00#10
At $US790,000 he'll be earning more than Obama. Talk about an offer you can't refuse.....can't say I blame him.
sharkbok
Captain23,280 posts
Captain23,280 posts
19 Nov 2015, 19:21
#11
19 Nov 2015, 19:21#11
The English pound talks.
It is interesting how the coaches seem to be able to ditch one team- and go straight to the next.
I think Eddie Jones would be better for SA
It is interesting how the coaches seem to be able to ditch one team- and go straight to the next.
I think Eddie Jones would be better for SA
Captain12,893 posts
19 Nov 2015, 19:25
#12
19 Nov 2015, 19:25#12
I guess at his age he has to think of a retirement package.
Captain18,117 posts
19 Nov 2015, 19:30
#13
19 Nov 2015, 19:30#13
What a pity. Always thought Eddie Jones was an overrated plonker and would have loved seeing the WP Blowhards turn against him as he screwed up.
Pro4,378 posts
19 Nov 2015, 19:52
#14
19 Nov 2015, 19:52#14
It is not good news at all, it is a disgrace all round.
Appalling behaviour by him..to renege on a contract just signed, that shows how loyal this man is....and appalling by the RFU....but we knew that their conduct was despicable already.
It is not a huge sum to buy him out of his contract at all, £100,000 is chicken feed, especially as they were willing to offer Wales £1.5 mill for Gatland ! Bargain basement really.
But, if true, that is me done. My country can do without me after 42 years......and various members of my family too. No more money or support will be forthcoming for the foreseeable. They are a disgrace.
Appalling behaviour by him..to renege on a contract just signed, that shows how loyal this man is....and appalling by the RFU....but we knew that their conduct was despicable already.
It is not a huge sum to buy him out of his contract at all, £100,000 is chicken feed, especially as they were willing to offer Wales £1.5 mill for Gatland ! Bargain basement really.
But, if true, that is me done. My country can do without me after 42 years......and various members of my family too. No more money or support will be forthcoming for the foreseeable. They are a disgrace.
Club Pro305 posts
19 Nov 2015, 20:14
#15
19 Nov 2015, 20:14#15
It seems as if there is no real difference between RFU and SARU. Eddie Jones is well trained by Jake the Snake to go for the money and stuff the rest. Yes, it is a professional game and you do need to get the best etc. But it does look like Mr Jones will just as easily abandon ship if and when something better comes along. He was quite successful with the Japanese team, but how many players in that RWC team were actually 100% Japanese? I just hope it works out for England, but only time will tell.
Pro1,667 posts
19 Nov 2015, 20:21
#16
19 Nov 2015, 20:21#16
its a massive pity...eddie made some great comments about his vision and the foundation he wanted to create at the stormers with playing the same pattern throughout clubs to the union.
that being said mitchell has the goods to be great but he needs time to build the systems to get the end results.
the difference between our local coaches and foreign coaches is massive and its just obvious in the way they talk ext
that being said mitchell has the goods to be great but he needs time to build the systems to get the end results.
the difference between our local coaches and foreign coaches is massive and its just obvious in the way they talk ext
Captain18,570 posts
19 Nov 2015, 20:30
#17
19 Nov 2015, 20:30#17
Contract with the Poms hasn't been signed yet has it?
Pro4,378 posts
19 Nov 2015, 20:55
#18
19 Nov 2015, 20:55#18
No announcement has been made by the RFU.
Captain26,388 posts
19 Nov 2015, 21:07
#19
19 Nov 2015, 21:07#19
All speculation at this stage, but it seems that he is in England and I doubt he is scouting for a future WP 10. Good luck to him, but he might also just be a one trick pony like his scaly buddy Jake.
Pro4,378 posts
19 Nov 2015, 21:42
#20
19 Nov 2015, 21:42#20
As I say, I'm done with my country now. I wish no ill to my players, although Lord knows how many actual Englishmen someone like him would actually include in the team. I think it might just become a case of some regretting what they wished for......
Pro1,748 posts
19 Nov 2015, 22:42
#21
19 Nov 2015, 22:42#21
Denny do u know anyone who should not be earning more than Osama Obama?
Pro1,748 posts
19 Nov 2015, 22:45
#22
19 Nov 2015, 22:45#22
Draad the first mistake he made was defecting.
Captain12,893 posts
20 Nov 2015, 01:15
#23
20 Nov 2015, 01:15#23
Arthur John, Please don't direct your bigoted questions at me.
I thank you in anticipation.
I thank you in anticipation.
Pro4,146 posts
20 Nov 2015, 01:30
#24
20 Nov 2015, 01:30#24
Jake was supposed to move to SA from the Brumbies to be closer to his family. Now he is anywhere but SA . His pal Eddie is no better -->Eddie just dishonoured his Stormers Contract and took up with England for the "Price is Right". Egotistical Liars and mercenaries the both of them. Clive is almost like the pair of them-->for all the noise he makes to criticise current English Coaches, when asked to take over the Team again, he shrivells like a flower -->why make so much noise when you cant be bothered stepping in to help. What a bunch of morons.
Pro4,378 posts
20 Nov 2015, 03:53
#25
20 Nov 2015, 03:53#25
They are all a disgrace.
As for Clive, people seem to forget that it has taken this long to try to fix the mess he left the national side in when he left. He had no players waiting to come through the system and had 8 yrs to get a good flow of players sorted out; we should have been set for a good few years. But no. He did nothing of the sort. And, once he had decided to go, he did not seem to care a jot about the team.As for the Lions....less said the better. He was nearly the death of them.
He has an agenda regarding the RFU and spends his time picking away at them. They chose Lancaster over him and he has a lot of bitterness over that as well as issues from the time he was at the helm. But he has now helped Lancaster lose his job and landed us with a mercenary foreigner who many of us do not want and will not support. It's a disgusting state of affairs and could well be the death of English Rugby, not the saving of it.
I am saddened but also very angry about it.
As for Clive, people seem to forget that it has taken this long to try to fix the mess he left the national side in when he left. He had no players waiting to come through the system and had 8 yrs to get a good flow of players sorted out; we should have been set for a good few years. But no. He did nothing of the sort. And, once he had decided to go, he did not seem to care a jot about the team.As for the Lions....less said the better. He was nearly the death of them.
He has an agenda regarding the RFU and spends his time picking away at them. They chose Lancaster over him and he has a lot of bitterness over that as well as issues from the time he was at the helm. But he has now helped Lancaster lose his job and landed us with a mercenary foreigner who many of us do not want and will not support. It's a disgusting state of affairs and could well be the death of English Rugby, not the saving of it.
I am saddened but also very angry about it.
Captain12,893 posts
20 Nov 2015, 04:09
#26
20 Nov 2015, 04:09#26
Welcome to the professional era...in for a buck out for a pound.
Pro4,671 posts
20 Nov 2015, 04:56
#27
20 Nov 2015, 04:56#27
...best result for England short of a Kiwi coach being selected instead... now they get to learn how the game is played 'down under stylez' so they can hopefully catch up to us...the RWC was a reality check for England showing how far behind they are so becs you should be thanking yr lucky stars mate... sounding more and more xenophobic every day woman..
...no brainer for Jones - more money and far more prestigious coaching England to coaching Bean Brain's dopey lot of no hopers down in Cape Town...he dodged a bullet there..
Pro4,146 posts
20 Nov 2015, 05:05
#28
20 Nov 2015, 05:05#28
hear hear Becs.
@Brycy maybe he heard the head of the Stormers Cheering Squad is one Beanhead - maybe that freaked him out
@Brycy maybe he heard the head of the Stormers Cheering Squad is one Beanhead - maybe that freaked him out
Captain40,032 posts
20 Nov 2015, 08:30
#29
20 Nov 2015, 08:30#29
Well said AJ - they should be willing to pay a fortune to keep muslim supporters and incompetents like obama out. The man is a total disgrace a fact lost on dense denise whose knowledge of what is going on makes a donkey look intelligent.
As for Eddie well he has to go where he is going to get paid and he will earn far far more coaching England. Great pity for us though.I am sure Eddie will be deeply regretting having to coach the Stormers and living in CApe Twon - perhaps the premier city in the world. This will doubtless be mentioned when he comes to write his memoirs and dwells on things he regretted etc.It shows how much bucks talk as he will now have to live in cold dank England!! What a price to pay. It also shows why our players leave.
I observe that the three hapless amigos, the dark duck,ou brycy and the notorious hacked waaaughahaha are attempting to be witty which in their case is a recipe for disaster! Having a go at the redoubtable Beeno it seems!! Great men always become a focus of attention of course!
Beeno sending the three amigos down the line with a perfect backhand!!
As for Eddie well he has to go where he is going to get paid and he will earn far far more coaching England. Great pity for us though.I am sure Eddie will be deeply regretting having to coach the Stormers and living in CApe Twon - perhaps the premier city in the world. This will doubtless be mentioned when he comes to write his memoirs and dwells on things he regretted etc.It shows how much bucks talk as he will now have to live in cold dank England!! What a price to pay. It also shows why our players leave.
I observe that the three hapless amigos, the dark duck,ou brycy and the notorious hacked waaaughahaha are attempting to be witty which in their case is a recipe for disaster! Having a go at the redoubtable Beeno it seems!! Great men always become a focus of attention of course!
Beeno sending the three amigos down the line with a perfect backhand!!
Pro3,977 posts
20 Nov 2015, 10:02
#30
20 Nov 2015, 10:02#30
It is official now...he has signed with the Poms!
Pro4,378 posts
20 Nov 2015, 13:00
#31
20 Nov 2015, 13:00#31
Brycy, you are talking rubbish. Just because he is not English, it does not make him the best fit for an English team. Can you not get that into your head ? And you know what, I would rather lose every match with an English Coach than win with a foreign one. I am sick to death of everyone running our Coaches and players down. Do you not understand that is part of the malaise that is affecting the game ? If we had drawn the game against Wales, we would have gone through to the QF, regardless of the Aus match. And if we had beaten Wales, I guarantee the performance against Aus would not have been the same one you saw in that match, because they knew they were done. All I was disgusted with was some of the Reffing and that we did not go down fighting, I cannot abide capitulation.
Lancaster should have stayed, full stop. It's idiots like you who have no business butting in about these matters that have condemned us to this man and who have changed the shape of our sport forever. It is a sorry affair all round and it is disgusting.
It's not just me who feels this way, other life long supporters who are far older than any of you here will not be supporting our team any longer. And this is what they gave reduced us to.mI hope they are happy with their little mercenary.
Lancaster should have stayed, full stop. It's idiots like you who have no business butting in about these matters that have condemned us to this man and who have changed the shape of our sport forever. It is a sorry affair all round and it is disgusting.
It's not just me who feels this way, other life long supporters who are far older than any of you here will not be supporting our team any longer. And this is what they gave reduced us to.mI hope they are happy with their little mercenary.
Captain30,741 posts
20 Nov 2015, 15:01
#32
20 Nov 2015, 15:01#32
England have no worthy coaches, they had to get a foreigner in.
All my Pom mates are over the moon that Eddie has been appointed.
Its not about where the bloody coach comes from, its about winning matches......to stand a chance of winning you need the best coach available.
Anyone who says he/she would rather their side lose every game with an English coach is not a true supporter.
True supporters want their sides to win, regardless of where players or coaches come from.......rules are rules, if you qualify as a player to represent another country, then good on you......as for coaches, it should not matter a damn what nationality they are.
Thinking anything otherwise is archaic, conservative and narrow minded and certainly does not have the countries rugby at heart
Captain18,117 posts
20 Nov 2015, 15:10
#33
20 Nov 2015, 15:10#33
Personally I'd want a foreign coach about as much as I'd want a foreign prop or a foreign fullback in the team.
When I see foreign coaches like Warren Gatland, Joe Sch. midt and Vern Cotter all looking a bit awkward and uncomfortable during the singing of the national anthems I thank my lucky stars that we at least have a home-grown coach . . . even if he is a bit of an idiot. At least he's South African.
I'm with becs here. I think Stuart Lancaster is an excellent coach who was doing a decent job with England and just needed more time. To fire him just because the vagaries of the RWC draw lumped him with two genuine contenders in Australia and Wales was very short-sighted.
England rugby supporters will regret this decision.
When I see foreign coaches like Warren Gatland, Joe Sch. midt and Vern Cotter all looking a bit awkward and uncomfortable during the singing of the national anthems I thank my lucky stars that we at least have a home-grown coach . . . even if he is a bit of an idiot. At least he's South African.
I'm with becs here. I think Stuart Lancaster is an excellent coach who was doing a decent job with England and just needed more time. To fire him just because the vagaries of the RWC draw lumped him with two genuine contenders in Australia and Wales was very short-sighted.
England rugby supporters will regret this decision.
Captain49,914 posts
20 Nov 2015, 15:15
#34
20 Nov 2015, 15:15#34
The Japanese loss costs South African rugby one more time. Unintended consequences ...
Pro6,663 posts
20 Nov 2015, 15:29
#35
20 Nov 2015, 15:29#35
I'm sure young English rugby players will overlook any irony when "Steady Eddie " looks them in the eye and with his hand on his heart admonishes them to stay the course for the good of their country when offered wodges of filthy francs ,oops Euros .
Captain18,117 posts
20 Nov 2015, 15:31
#36
20 Nov 2015, 15:31#36
Problem with Eddie is you're never sure which is the eye looking at you!
Pro4,378 posts
20 Nov 2015, 16:01
#37
20 Nov 2015, 16:01#37
Nice to know I am not one of your " mates ", Saffex. Thank you for that.
And I am a true supporter, which is why I see the folly and disgrace in all this. People like Rooinek and Hakwa understand what I am saying, I don't know why you don't. Gosh, even the NZ Coaches were telling the RFU not to get rid of Lancaster and that we would regret going down this route. As you hold them up as the masters of the Rugby universe, I would think you would take their opinion over mine any day of the week. Then again, I know nothing and my opinion counts for nought.
One last thing.....the adorable Mr Jones has just said he won't select any England players from abroad....ha ha ha ha !!!!!!
Thank you Rooinek, I appreciate it
And I am a true supporter, which is why I see the folly and disgrace in all this. People like Rooinek and Hakwa understand what I am saying, I don't know why you don't. Gosh, even the NZ Coaches were telling the RFU not to get rid of Lancaster and that we would regret going down this route. As you hold them up as the masters of the Rugby universe, I would think you would take their opinion over mine any day of the week. Then again, I know nothing and my opinion counts for nought.
One last thing.....the adorable Mr Jones has just said he won't select any England players from abroad....ha ha ha ha !!!!!!
Thank you Rooinek, I appreciate it
Pro4,671 posts
20 Nov 2015, 18:55
#38
20 Nov 2015, 18:55#38
...becs , like you idon't really care what happens to English rugby...yr probably right - Eddie Jones has as much chance of turning England's fortune around as any other English coach - that's because you can't make honey out of dogsh!t...
...why Lancaster left is beyond me . ..was all the dopey English supporters yapping in his ear just too much.. well you got what you deserve if that's the case.....
... putting yr head in the sand and ignoring the fact that yr world ranking is at an all time low won't help much either ... so what could be the best way forward..
...short of an England team joining the Super Rugby comp to gain some real SH rugby experience , a down under coach is probably the next best thing...
..you do realise SH teams rule world rugby currently I assume...by design and not by accident .....Wales being the exception with their Kiwi coach taking them up to second in world rankings for a time this year- testament to how down under coaches are making a real difference in the NH...
Pro1,870 posts
20 Nov 2015, 21:18
#39
20 Nov 2015, 21:18#39
Scotland - Vern Cotter (New Zealand)Wales - Warren Gatland (New Zealand)Ireland - Joe Schmidt (New Zealand)England - Eddie Jones (Australia)
More and more, all the teams above have players of foreign descent so they can compete
We think our rugby is in disrepair.......but the NH rugby really sucks.
No brains, no brawn either.
More and more, all the teams above have players of foreign descent so they can compete
We think our rugby is in disrepair.......but the NH rugby really sucks.
No brains, no brawn either.
Pro6,663 posts
21 Nov 2015, 02:05
#40
21 Nov 2015, 02:05#40
Rooie do ya reckon that eye would be flashing brown as he laughs all the way to the bank?I reckon t.he formerly gruntled Japanese will now be feeling somewhat disdruntled .Lancaster was harshly dealt with ,watch now as Eddie gets the things Lancaster asked for like centralized player management .Besides where the hell are you gonna find a more english name than Lancaster ? Is the Hpose of the Red Rose and the bomber not the acme of English fighting spirit ? For shame RFU !
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