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AJHPro3,183 posts
07 Apr 2020, 16:46
#1
07 Apr 2020, 16:46#1

It is indeed refreshing and inspiring to hear the wonderful act being displayed by the Springbok captain.


He is using his position to provide assistance for the folks who are suffering through this difficult health crisis in a way that shows his understanding of the suffering and constant struggle the "underprivileged" of his country is enduring.


Not seeking to gain favour with the folks or financially gain it clearly illustrates the depth of love, understanding and concern for his fellow man.


Irrespective of what you think of his rugby skills you have to admit that it is an act that comes from the heart shows the man's class his stature and should be respected and admired as such.


I for one salute you and trust that many a fellow player will join you in this action.


Thank you, Dankie for showing the world and all fellow South African's just what the South African's can accomplish when they stand together as one in times of distress.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Apr 2020, 17:09
#2
07 Apr 2020, 17:09#2

I think Kolisi is a nice guy. We have a lot of nice guys. I actually quite like Damian off the field. Steph is a pretty decent bloke. But the rugby. I think it's great to have a black player young black kids can look up to, and he is a great role model, but it's such a hollow thing to me because of the rugby. It happens to often. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Apr 2020, 17:19
#3
07 Apr 2020, 17:19#3
Kolisi is the best 6 we have had in ages While I liked Schalk as a player he was never an openside, nor was Louw Kolisi is not the perfect fit either as we don’t see him effecting turnovers as he is not tasked with that duty His strength is with ball in hand, he always seems to manage to beat the first defender and links well with his team mates. He is also a powerful defender Brüssow was great over the ball but offered nothing with ball in hand I’d choose Kolisi over Schalk, Louw, Brüssow and Kruger but only just I love him as a player and leader Great rugby player, great man and great leader - perfect example to all
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Apr 2020, 17:32
#4
07 Apr 2020, 17:32#4

Kolisi makes about on big ein every few games. Though, I can't recall any at the world cup. He is anonymous and the bulk of his tackle count is hollow tackle assists. He had one the worst work rates in the team, he isn't effective. In fact, he was inferior to Louw in every way. Kwagga was also better. I don't think there are many quotas in the team, but Kolisi is definitely a quota. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2020, 17:50
#5
07 Apr 2020, 17:50#5

I admire Kolisi as a person and as a player,  His leadership as captain was excellent over the last t 18 months and he led the team in a way that they became WC contenders after near destruction by Meyer and Coetzee.   Winning the RC and the WC were the cherries on the top for a excellent captain and team.    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2020, 17:50
#6
07 Apr 2020, 17:50#6

I admire Kolisi as a person and as a player,  His leadership as captain was excellent over the last t 18 months and he led the team in a way that they became WC contenders after near destruction by Meyer and Coetzee.   Winning the RC and the WC were the cherries on the top for a excellent captain and team.    

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Apr 2020, 18:19
#7
07 Apr 2020, 18:19#7

I see Dumb Fuck is still using his anus to speak through. No surprise.

Kolisi is not suited to the role at 6. He has no clue how to play on the openside ... that's why Rassie sent him away on a crash course.

He was tried elsewhere in the backrow ... but that too didn't take. That's what one can expect from a man without talent ... to be passed from pillar to post.  

Why would Rassie still select him then, you may ask?

Glad you asked.

I mean, he's of no use to anyone at 6 ... too small to play at 7 ... and 8th man is a skill set that he'll probably need another crash course on.

Well ... it comes down to making up the numbers. He's a quota you see ... a token ... a gravy trainer ... used to get the black masses behind the Goats ... and what better than a black captain to do that.  

He may be a nice guy ... but a rugby player he is not.

Simply useless.

It's a disgrace to have this chump anywhere near the Goats.

He should do the right thing ... resign as captain and hang up his boots.  



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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Apr 2020, 18:52
#8
07 Apr 2020, 18:52#8

Kolisi is no leader. Who gives the war cry before games, or in big moments mid-game? Eben, Duane, Faf, Willie. Kolisi has no on field presence. He has no leadership skills. Never before have I seen a Bok captain standing around noddding as other players rally the team. Not even Smit, when he was surrounded by natural leaders. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Apr 2020, 19:57
#9
07 Apr 2020, 19:57#9
As I’ve said earlier I don’t give a toss what others say about Kolisi and nor will I ever change my mind on him He is one of the best 6’s we have had in ages - we missed out on Jaco Kriel as he could have served the Boks as he did the Lions Great player and great leader
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2020, 20:06
#10
07 Apr 2020, 20:06#10

The fact is you really do not know what you are talking about again.   A captain is there to take on-field decisions and if you watch carefully you will see he did that,  Another incident in the game that tells a different story was that after Kolisi left the field in the final before a scrum Du Toit had a discussion with the line judge obviously to ask him to look out for illegal scrumming and was effectively the other leader on the field.   You even miss out on the "warcry" story       Th players strongly and enthusiastically support Kolisi as captain and their team spirit is outstanding,   Huge difference to what happened in the 2015 WC and what happ ened under Coetzee,      

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2020, 20:06
#11
07 Apr 2020, 20:06#11

The fact is you really do not know what you are talking about again.   A captain is there to take on-field decisions and if you watch carefully you will see he did that,  Another incident in the game that tells a different story was that after Kolisi left the field in the final before a scrum Du Toit had a discussion with the line judge obviously to ask him to look out for illegal scrumming and was effectively the other leader on the field.   You even miss out on the "warcry" story       Th players strongly and enthusiastically support Kolisi as captain and their team spirit is outstanding,   Huge difference to what happened in the 2015 WC and what happ ened under Coetzee,      

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Apr 2020, 20:21
#12
07 Apr 2020, 20:21#12
Kolisi clearly leads on the field that is not even up for debate
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2020, 20:45
#13
07 Apr 2020, 20:45#13

Kolisi does not lead on the field and he wouldn’t make the Scottish team....he’s bloody useless. A public relations exercise.


But people want to believe these things, it’s human nature...which is fine. But if you consider yourself a student of the game you can’t be taken in by this nonsense.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Apr 2020, 21:24
#14
07 Apr 2020, 21:24#14
Bullshit he is a class player who definitely leads on the field He is better than the likes of Schalk, Pienaar, Louw etc
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2020, 21:30
#15
07 Apr 2020, 21:30#15
Thanks for proving my point....Louw added more value in 10 minutes against Wales than Kolisi added all game.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
07 Apr 2020, 21:36
#16
07 Apr 2020, 21:36#16

Kolisi's best games were under Alister Coetzee. He was one of the few players that were in top form in this horrific period of Bok rugby. 

Although he played more like a number 8 than a 6, he was better in loose play. Kolisi could probably do well at the Sharks in 2020 , or even the Lions a few years ago as this style suits his game more. 

Under Rassie was pretty average at test level.

It was clear than Francios Louw got onto the pitch, the Bok pack was more dominant. Not just turnovers, but quick clean ball retention, and slowing opposition ruck ball down and tackling the opposition at the ruck as they try to pick and go. The work of a number 6 is often missed as they are in the most frantic high tempo part of the game, and with so many players around it is harder to see what is going on. 

At the start of the 2nd half, England looked like they were starting to get into the game. Then the Bomb squad got onto the pitch, and momentum turned back to the Boks. Flouw was a big part of the bomb squad. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Apr 2020, 21:56
#17
07 Apr 2020, 21:56#17
Oh crap one turnover hardly defines a player. Louw has always been as average as they come. Kolisi is far better with ball in hand and effects bigger hits
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2020, 22:02
#18
07 Apr 2020, 22:02#18

Louw made a turnover just inside the Boks  half and that sent Mozart into delirium - really not worth all the drama he spouted.   That was by all accounts his total contribution to both the semi and the final.

     

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Apr 2020, 22:11
#19
07 Apr 2020, 22:11#19

Kolisi is not a type-cast typical flanker...he's a modern hybrid flanker/center, like Damien is a cente/loosie...it sounds bizarre but South Africa tends to mix things up a bit...Willie is also not a typical 15...more like a 15/10 hybrid.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Apr 2020, 22:14
#20
07 Apr 2020, 22:14#20

In 2018, Kolisi singlehandedly demolished the opposition...more clean breaks than any player, backs included...way more...ripped defence to pieces...forgotten already.  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Apr 2020, 22:42
#21
07 Apr 2020, 22:42#21
Exactly Draad, give me Kolisi any day Great with ball in hand and link play Is super strong, busts tackles at will
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2020, 22:49
#22
07 Apr 2020, 22:49#22

Name one single specific thing Kolisi did in the World Cup that mattered.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2020, 22:55
#23
07 Apr 2020, 22:55#23

Correction Draad in the 2018 Super competition he did that....useless as tits on a bull since then.

CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
07 Apr 2020, 23:36
#24
07 Apr 2020, 23:36#24

"I’d choose Kolisi over Schalk"

Sweet lord he's on drugs again!

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Apr 2020, 23:44
#25
07 Apr 2020, 23:44#25

Worse then that Chippo, I think drugs are finally on him! 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
08 Apr 2020, 02:16
#26
08 Apr 2020, 02:16#26
If the top 5 international coach selected a Bok team, my guess is that they would take Francios Louw over Kolisi.  As stated Kolisi is better as a number 8 where he can use his running skills and link with the backs.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 Apr 2020, 06:38
#27
08 Apr 2020, 06:38#27

Haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaa!!!

Better than Schalk??

Wow!!!

What is wrong with you?

Did your mommy drop you on your head when you were young?




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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Apr 2020, 08:10
#28
08 Apr 2020, 08:10#28

Kolisi, irrespective of the number on his back, has been used in that capacity. He is a very passive player, he can hide away for long stretches. Linking? We have seen that how often? Against Arg in 2018 away, New Zealand at home the same year. Where else? When working in a pod with the backs out wide, he just cleans. There really isn't very much going on. He had one good game on the deck. That's it. An anomally. What else? A great number of his tackles are unneeded tackle assists. Of all the Boks, his production is the most hollow once you put context to numbers. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Apr 2020, 08:15
#29
08 Apr 2020, 08:15#29

"Kolisi is not a type-cast typical flanker...he's a modern hybrid flanker/center, like Damien is a cente/loosie...it sounds bizarre but South Africa tends to mix things up a bit...Willie is also not a typical 15...more like a 15/10 hybrid."

Take a bow Draad.....the voice of reason.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Apr 2020, 08:25
#30
08 Apr 2020, 08:25#30

The thing is, he didn't guide the team. That's the point. He was a leader in name only. Nothing more. A complete bystander. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Apr 2020, 08:32
#31
08 Apr 2020, 08:32#31

That's your opinion Organpuffer…..history will record..

2019 RWC Champions: Springboks

Captain: Siya Kolisi

Deal with it.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Apr 2020, 08:38
#32
08 Apr 2020, 08:38#32

You may like a social justice crusade Grumpy Gus, an honest man does not.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Apr 2020, 08:52
#33
08 Apr 2020, 08:52#33

So what you are saying is that having a black captain was more important than a merit performer. That still doesn't work. Beast would have been the better choice, and he would have been the deserved MOM in the final. Merit. Kolisi is a quota. The only true quota in the team. That's not something to be celebrated. It actually shows how little the country has progressed. That might not matter to you, but it matters to me. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Apr 2020, 09:01
#34
08 Apr 2020, 09:01#34

No, what I'm saying is that History trumps your most valued opinion.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Apr 2020, 09:07
#35
08 Apr 2020, 09:07#35

Maybe so, according to history every problem of modern South Africa is the direct result of white supremacy. These things aren't right of course. So your point is rather blunt. Not much of a retort. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Apr 2020, 09:14
#36
08 Apr 2020, 09:14#36

This is a case of the end justifying the means not the other way around and to that end it's satisfying, perhaps even fulfilling, obviously not to you but your opinion however valuable generally, is of minor importance...history rules supreme.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2020, 10:27
#37
08 Apr 2020, 10:27#37

Look, being a bit clouded by my WP roots I presume, I don't see who could have replaced him in the squad...the only player who could challenge for starting spot was Louw...and IMO he was better suited to play from the bench...and he did an excellent job when he came on.

IMO, Siya, Bongi and even Elton unfairly get labeled as Q's. I don't like Elton much, but he was clearly the second best FH in the country...and although I like Akker, and think he's good enough to be a Bok, ATM I would pick Bongi ahead of him...and Brits was there for reasons beyond playing ability.

I think South Africans are so used to complaining when things are bad that we forget to stop moaning when things turn in our favor for a change. . and it doesn't get much better than winning the RWC.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Apr 2020, 10:42
#38
08 Apr 2020, 10:42#38

The thing is, I can review film and pick out contributions by Bongi and Elton. I can't do the same for Kolisi. 90% of the time he is anonymous. Kwagga is better. Almost anyone else is better. Nice guy, sure, test quality player? No. Leadership? Absolutely not.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Apr 2020, 11:04
#39
08 Apr 2020, 11:04#39

AO

Unfortunately your assessment of performance o f players is so skewed and unrealistic  it has been thoroughly disgraced on site already.

Question remains - did Kolisi let the team down in the RC and the WC and the answer is no.   He was an average performer.  - which Kwagga was not.   The latter could only be uised against the weaker teams SA played in the WC series,   Effective on that level - against stronger teams not so.  

Now lets get back to the point.  Kolisi did well in his efforts to fight the virus - why not give him credit for that?        

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Apr 2020, 11:19
#40
08 Apr 2020, 11:19#40

Francios Pienaar in my opinion was an average player but an awesome captain. Andre Vos was an average player and an average captain.Corne Krige was a thug, an average player and an average captain.

Need I carry on....

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