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Climate deniers' excuses falling apart

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Apr 2015, 19:01
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26 Apr 2015, 19:01#1

2 of the main excuses used by the climate denniers have fallen apart these last 2 months, the suposed pause and the antarctica ice sheet grow



The oceans are warming so fast, they keep breaking scientists' charts

NOAA once again has to rescale its ocean heat chart to capture 2014 ocean warming

Ocean heat content data to a depth of 2,000 meters, from NOAA.

John Abraham

Thursday 22 January 2015 15.25 GMT Last modified on Thursday 22 January 2015 15.45 GMT



Wow, was this a bad year for those who deny the reality and the significance of human-induced climate change. Of course, there were the recent flurry of reports that 2014 surface temperatures had hit their hottest values ever recorded. The 2014 record was first called on this blog in December and the final results were reported as well, here. All of this happened in a year that the denialists told us would not be very hot.

But those denialists are having a tough time now as they look around the planet for ANY evidence that climate change is not happening. The problem is, they’ve been striking out.

And just recently, perhaps the most important bit of information came out about 2014 – how much the Earth actually warmed. What we find is that the warming is so great, NOAA literally has to remake its graphs. Let me explain this a bit.

We tend to focus on the global temperature average which is the average of air temperatures near the ground (or at the sea surface). This past year, global air temperatures were record-breaking. But that isn’t the same as global warming. Global warming is properly viewed as the amount of heat contained within the Earth’s energy system. So, air temperatures may go up and down on any given year as energy moves to or from the air (primarily from the ocean). What we really want to know is, did the Earth’s energy go up or down?

The trick to answering this question is to measure the change in energy of the oceans. A thorough review of ocean heat measurement methods is found here; we paid the requisite fee to make the paper open access. Anyone can download and read it.

So what do the new data show? Well, it turns out that the energy stored within the ocean (which is 90% or more of the total “global warming” heat), increased significantly. A plot from NOAA is shown above. You can see that the last data point (the red curve), is, literally off the chart.

The folks at NOAA do a great job updating this graph every three months or so. We can now say that the 2014 Earth had more heat (thermal energy) than any year ever recorded by humans. We can also say that the folks at NOAA will likely have to rescale their graph to capture the new numbers. The NOAA site is updated by Dr. Tim Boyer and can be found here. Click on slide 2 to view the relevant image.

If people want to read a review of ocean heating that is written for a general audience, I suggest our recent peer-reviewed paper which can be found here.

So when we look back on 2014 and the records that fell, it gives us some pause about the so-called pause (hat-tip to Dr. Greg Laden for that phrase). Some people tried to tell us global warming had “paused”, that it ended in 1998, or that the past 15 years or so had not seen a change in the energy of the Earth. This ocean warming data is the clearest nail in that coffin. There never was a pause to global warming, there never was a halt, and the folks that tried to tell you there was were, well, I’ll let you decide. For me, the facts speak for themselves.



http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/jan/22/oceans-warming-so-fast-they-keep-breaking-scientists-charts



Climate bombshell: East Antarctica’s glaciers are melting too Friday, February 6, 2015 By Simon Butler The Totten Glacier, which has enough ice to cause a 6-metre sea-level rise, has been found to be melting.

Scientists had long thought the giant East Antarctic ice sheet was barely affected by global warming and that its glaciers were stable. It turns out those assumptions were wrong.

A team of scientists returned on January 26 from a 7-week expedition to East Antarctica with the bad news: warm ocean water is melting the huge Totten glacier from below.

Totten is East Antarctica’s largest glacier. It drains an area more than double the size of Victoria and holds enough ice to cause a 6-metre sea-level rise.

The expedition’s chief scientist Dr Steve Rintoul said the voyage was carried out after satellite data suggested the glacier was retreating much faster than expected. They found that the glacier rests on below-sea-level bedrock, making it more susceptible to the warmer-than-normal ocean currents melting it from beneath.

Very significant ice losses have been recorded in the western part of the Antarctic continent in recent years. In May, NASA glaciologist Eric Rignot said: “A large sector of the West Antarctic ice sheet has gone into a state of irreversible retreat. It has passed the point of no return.” He said the region’s ice melt will raise sea levels by 1.2 metres. The ice may still take two centuries to melt completely, but Rignot warned “the retreat of [west Antarctica’s] ice is unstoppable.”

The new East Antarctica results are an added shock because its far-larger ice sheet appeared to be thickening due to increased snowfall. Rintoul said: “It was thought that glaciers on the East Antarctic ice sheet were relatively immune to the kind of melting taking place on the much smaller West Antarctic ice sheet.”

The most recent International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report does not include evidence from these recent studies. Even so, the IPCC found that the ice loss from the Antarctic ice sheet had likely risen from 30 billion tonnes a year between 1992 and 2002 to 147 billion tonnes between 2002 and 2011: roughly a 5-fold increase.

The ice melt in Greenland is even more dramatic. Over the same time periods, the IPCC said Greenland’s ice loss rose from 34 billion tonnes a year to 215 billion tonnes.

Although higher air temperatures play a part, it’s the warmer ocean temperatures that are most responsible for the retreat of Antarctica’s massive glaciers. About 93% of the extra heat retained by higher carbon emissions ends up in the oceans. Since the 1970s, the heat content of the world’s oceans has risen steadily.

Last year set a new record. Ocean temperatures in 2014 rose so much that the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration will have to re-scale its ocean heat graph.

The ongoing rise in ocean temperatures over the past few decades also blows away the claim – often made by climate deniers – that global warming paused for a period. It has never paused, and global ocean temperatures prove it.

It is not just ocean warming that is setting alarming new records though. On February 2, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) confirmed that 2014 was the hottest year ever recorded for global air temperatures. It also said that 14 of the 15 hottest years have all been this century (the other year was 1998).

WMO secretary-general Michel Jarraud said: “The overall warming trend is more important than the ranking of an individual year ... we expect global warming to continue, given that rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the increasing heat content of the oceans are committing us to a warmer future.”


https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/58185



AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Apr 2015, 19:04
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26 Apr 2015, 19:04#2
 And another article and a study which explain why this winter has been cold at moz's home,...... it's not because the climate change doesn't exist as he pretended,....... but precisely because of the climate change

http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/59831

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article

this explains why the temperatures have been 10 ºF below the average in the east cost but 10ºF over the average and a tremendous drought in the west coast


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2015, 19:49
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26 Apr 2015, 19:49#3
     

By Christopher Booker

8:14PM BST 25 Apr 2015

4575 Comments

Last month, we are told, the world enjoyed “its hottest March since records began in 1880”. This year, according to “US government scientists”, already bids to outrank 2014 as “the hottest ever”. The figures from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) were based, like all the other three official surface temperature records on which the world’s scientists and politicians rely, on data compiled from a network of weather stations by NOAA’s Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN).

But here there is a puzzle. These temperature records are not the only ones with official status. The other two, Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) and the University of Alabama (UAH), are based on a quite different method of measuring temperature data, by satellites. And these, as they have increasingly done in recent years, give a strikingly different picture. Neither shows last month as anything like the hottest March on record, any more than they showed 2014 as “the hottest year ever”.

An adjusted graph from the Goddard Institute for Space Studies

Back in January and February, two items in this column attracted more than 42,000 comments to the Telegraph website from all over the world. The provocative headings given to them were “Climategate the sequel: how we are still being tricked by flawed data on global warming” and “The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest scientific scandal”.

My cue for those pieces was the evidence multiplying from across the world that something very odd has been going on with those official surface temperature records, all of which ultimately rely on data compiled by NOAA’s GHCN. Careful analysts have come up with hundreds of examples of how the original data recorded by 3,000-odd weather stations has been “adjusted”, to exaggerate the degree to which the Earth has actually been warming. Figures from earlier decades have repeatedly been adjusted downwards and more recent data adjusted upwards, to show the Earth having warmed much more dramatically than the original data justified.

So strong is the evidence that all this calls for proper investigation that my articles have now brought a heavyweight response. The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) has enlisted an international team of five distinguished scientists to carry out a full inquiry into just how far these manipulations of the data may have distorted our picture of what is really happening to global temperatures.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2015, 19:52
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26 Apr 2015, 19:52#4

Manipulated data, selected examples, jiggered base numbers......and even if the temps were going up, which they haven't for 20 years, that doesn't mean it's man made. 

 

But there is now a full enquiry to find out how much the numbers have been massaged. The article is from the Telegraph yesterday.

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becsPro4,378 posts
26 Apr 2015, 19:59
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26 Apr 2015, 19:59#5
 The Daily Telegraph ? You do realise it is referred to as the Torygraph, I trust, Mozart  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2015, 20:10
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26 Apr 2015, 20:10#6
 No matter becs, they are simply reporting a fact....there is an official enquiry into data manipulation. Do you think Labour is more honest....hahaha.
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Apr 2015, 20:40
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26 Apr 2015, 20:40#7
 @mozart,
you don't read the posts before answering them or what?

"About 93% of the extra heat retained by higher carbon emissions ends up in the oceans."

93%, do you understand what it means or not? and this is what happened in the oceans


I think it's quite clear what's going on,..... but there will always be people who close their eyes

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Apr 2015, 20:43
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26 Apr 2015, 20:43#8
 And about the University of Alabama,..... here you have an explanation

One satellite data set is underestimating global warming

A new study suggests that the University of Alabama at Huntsville is lowballing the warming of the atmosphere

Satellite orbiting Earth. Photograph: JG Photography / Alamy/Alamy

John Abraham

Wednesday 25 March 2015 13.00 GMT Last modified on Wednesday 25 March 2015 13.03 GMT


A very important study was just published in the Journal of Climate a few days ago. This paper, in my mind, makes a major step toward reconciling differences in satellite temperature records of the mid-troposphere region. As before, it is found that the scientists (and politicians) who have cast doubt on global warming in the past are shown to be outliers because of bias in their results.

The publication, authored by Stephen Po-Chedley and colleagues from the University of Washington, discusses some major sources of error in satellite records. For instance, after satellites are launched, they scan the Earth’s atmosphere and calibrate the atmospheric measurements using a warm target onboard the satellite and cold space. The accuracy with which the atmospheric measurements are calibrated can influence the inferred temperature of the atmosphere (called the warm-target bias). Additionally, over the years, multiple satellites have been launched and the selection of which satellite data are used can play a role. Finally, biases can occur because the satellite orbits drift during their lifetime and the influence of diurnal temperature variation can affect the global temperature trends.

Of these three errors, the last one (probably the most important one), was the focus of the just-published paper.

It is known that there is a problem because there are multiple groups that create satellite temperature records. For instance, NOAA, Remote Sensing Systems (RSS), and the University of Alabama Huntsville (UAH). The problem is, their results don’t agree with each other. In particular, the UAH team, led by Dr. John Christy and Dr. Roy Spencer (who have discounted the importance and occurrence of climate change for years) present results that differ quite a bit from the others. In fact, in the current paper, it is stated that “Despite using the same basic radiometer measurements, tropical TMT trend differences between these groups differ by a factor of three.”

An important aspect to this issue is that for many reasons, it is expected that the tropospheric temperatures in the tropics will warm more than surface temperatures. This is called “tropospheric amplification.” According to two satellite groups, there is in fact such amplification. According to the UAH team, there is no amplification. The presence or absence of amplification is often used by some skeptics to discount the importance of global warming.

Why are there differences? Well that’s part of what this paper tries to answer.

Each of the teams try to deal with and correct for various satellite errors. For instance, sometimes the diurnal cycle effect is removed using temperatures from climate models. The RSS and NOAA teams “apply a drift correction based on the diurnal cycle from a GCM (global climate model) whereas UAH produces a microwave sounding unit mid-tropospheric temperature diurnal correction based on temperature comparisons between three co-orbiting satellites ... UAH does not yet correct the diurnal drift for satellites carrying Advanced Microwave Sounding Units because they attempt to use these satellites during periods when the diurnal drift is small.”

The present paper presents a calibration scheme that allowed them to obtain a diurnal correction from the satellite measurements themselves, in particular, by solving for a common diurnal cycle correction using temperatures from all available satellites.

As the authors state in the paper, their new results agree with the two groups that show more warming. They disagree with UAH. As the authors state,

In general, our trends corrected with a GCM and trends corrected with our observationally derived diurnal cycle correction are similar to trends from NOAA and RSS ... the UAH ocean trend is notably lower than trends from the other datasets.

So, how do the trends compare? Well the lowest trend, in degrees Celsius heating per decade are from UAH and they equal 0.029 for the 1979–2012 period for the mid-troposphere region between 20° South and 20° North. The new results are almost 4 times higher at 0.114°C per decade. The results using a diurnal correction from a climate model are in close agreement with the new findings (0.124°C per decade). As additional support, the NOAA and RSS values are also close to the corrected results. The simple fact is, UAH is an outlier.

They also discovered that the results from RSS, NOAA, and the new study all show tropical amplification and are in agreement with the expected amplification from climate models. They state, “There is no significant discrepancy between observations and models for lapse rate change between the surface and the full troposphere.”

To summarize the amplification factor, the new study obtains a value of 1.4. If the diurnal cycle is eliminated using climate models, the result is 1.49. According to NOAA and RSS, the values are 1.31 and 1.10, respectively. Again, UAH is the outlier with an amplification factor of 0.56.

I wrote to Stephen Po-Chedley and asked for a summary. He told me,

We developed an observationally based diurnal cycle correction to remove the influence of satellite diurnal sampling drifts on long-term tropospheric temperature trends. This is important because other analyses (RSS and NOAA) used a model-derived diurnal cycle correction and questions have been raised about the validity of this bias correction. Trends from our work are in accord with trends from global circulation models and basic theory.

We also found that the model-derived diurnal cycle correction used by RSS and NOAA is similar to our bias correction. The tropical tropospheric trend from the present study is 2.5 times that from another group, UAH. While this work shows that it is possible to understand discrepancies between MSU/AMSU datasets there are still important differences between the datasets that need further scrutiny.

In short, the Earth is warming, the warming is amplified in the troposphere, and those who claim otherwise are unlikely to be correct.


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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Apr 2015, 20:47
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26 Apr 2015, 20:47#9
 And about John Christy and Roy Spencer

A revealing interview with top contrarian climate scientists

John Christy and Roy Spencer are pro-fossil fuel and anti-scientific consensus

A line of strong storms packing 60 mph winds, lightning and driving rain on June 5, 2014 in Huntsville, Alabama. Photograph: AL.COM/Landov/Barcroft Media

Dana Nuccitelli

Monday 6 April 2015 14.00 BST Last modified on Monday 6 April 2015 15.14 BST


In 1990, University of Alabama at Huntsville scientists Roy Spencer and John Christy created a data set that estimates the temperature of the Earth’s atmosphere by using instruments on satellites (microwave sounding units) that measure microwave radiation in the atmosphere. According to their latest estimates, the Earth’s lower atmosphere has warmed significantly since satellite measurements began in 1979, but not quite as fast as thermometer measurements of temperatures at the Earth’s surface.

Spencer and Christy have also long disputed the degree to which humans are contributing to that warming, and have thus often been called to testify before Congress by policymakers seeking justification to oppose climate legislation. On the 25th anniversary of their satellite data set, Alabama.com interviewed the pair to discuss their science and climate contrarianism. The resulting discussion was quite revealing.

Consensus Denial

For example, when asked about the 97% expert consensus on human-caused global warming, Christy offered an inaccurate response,

The American Meteorological Society did their survey and they specifically asked the question, Is man the dominate controller of climate over the last 50 years? Only 52 percent said yes. That is not a consensus at all in science ... Roy and I have both made the statement that we are in the 97 percent because we believe in some (man-made) effect.

Ever since my colleagues and I published our global warming consensus paper two years ago in which we found a 97% consensus in the peer-reviewed literature on human-caused global warming, Roy Spencer has been claiming to be part of the 97%. As I showed two years ago, he’s not. Spencer and Christy each authored five papers captured in our climate science literature survey. Among those papers, we classified one of Spencer’s and two of Christy’s as minimizing or rejecting the human influence on global warming, and the others as not taking a position on the issue.

That makes both of them authors of the less than 3% of peer-reviewed climate science papers rejecting the consensus on human-caused global warming. This is an indisputable fact – the 97% consensus figure is based on our team’s categorization of the scientific literature, and we put their research outside the 97% consensus. Spencer and Christy reject this fact because they don’t understand our study – specifically that papers minimizing the human influence on global warming fall outside the 97% consensus. Their research is nevertheless among the 3% of outliers.

As for the American Meteorological Society (AMS) survey, only 13% of participants described climate science as their field of expertise. The Heartland Institute – the source of the story linked in the above quote by Christy – misrepresented the associated study so badly that the AMS executive director took the unusual step of issuing a public reprimand against their behavior. Studies of climate science experts have again and again found a 97% consensus on human-caused global warming.

Data and Research Quality

Spencer and Christy’s data set has undergone many major corrections to address various errors and biases. This is how science always progresses, but those who believe that adjustments to surface temperature measurements are part of a conspiracy (including Roy Spencer) always seem to neglect the major adjustments to the satellite data. In fact, in its early days, Spencer and Christy’s data set seemed to indicate the atmosphere was cooling, before a series of big adjustments were made.

Evolution of UAH lower tropospheric temperature trends from satellite observations. Source: Cosmopolis; Abraham et al. (2014).

As discussed in my book and as a paper that John Abraham and I published with several colleagues last year showed, much of Spencer and Christy’s contrarian research has not withstood subsequent scientific scrutiny.

we conclude then that the quality of work of contrarian-view scientists, as showcased here by representative case studies, is notably lower than that of scientists who hold the consensus view ... We find that the scientific literature includes a series of strong responses from the mainstream scientific community including criticisms, corrections, and in some cases, resignation of editors. The contrarian views were often found to be unsubstantiated by the data and are no longer seriously considered by many climate scientists.

In fact, the accuracy of Spencer and Christy’s atmospheric temperature estimates remains a question of rigorous scientific dispute today. While the Alabama.com interview says,

Still, they carry on - comfortable in their research and data that has remained true to their findings

That comfort may very well be misplaced.

Conspiracies and Biases

When asked about data from government agencies contradicting their contrarian beliefs about the dangers associated with climate change, Christy said,

NASA, NOAA, EPA, DOE, those are agencies. Agency leaders are appointed by the government, by the current administration. They do not represent objective independent scientific organizations. They can’t. They are appointed by the head. They try. People who come out with different views in their organizations are found to be squashed. There is an agenda in those agencies ... There are skeptics in NASA and NOAA, a good number. But they are quiet. They know in this administration, they don’t speak out.

This is an ironic answer given the recent revelations that scientists in Florida have been barred from using phrases like “climate change” and “global warming.” Similarly, the George W. Bush administration was accused of censoring government reports about climate change. It’s contrarians who have tried to squash inconvenient scientific research, not those who accept the scientific consensus on human-caused global warming.

Fossil Fuel Interests

The interview also included an extensive discussion about fossil fuels, with Roy Spencer saying,

When I talk to scientists who should be objective over a beer at the end of the day, I will argue with them and their final position will always be, ‘Yeah, but we need to get away from fossil fuels anyway.’ Where did that come from? Are you an expert in alternative energy sources and what they cost? How many poor people are you going to hurt? How many more people are you going to make poor through energy poverty because they are paying five to 10 times as much for their energy?

Roy Spencer is of course not an energy or economics expert either. Experts in these fields who have published research on the subject have found that fossil fuels are incredibly expensive, when we account for all of their costs. For example, one recent study conservatively estimated that including pollution costs, coal is about 4 times more expensive than wind and 3 times more expensive than solar energy in the USA today. Additionally, poorer countries are generally the most vulnerable to climate change impacts. John Christy made similarly backwards arguments,

Carbon dioxide makes things grow. The world used to have five times as much carbon dioxide as it does now. Plants love this stuff. It creates more food. CO2 is not the problem ... There is absolutely no question that carbon energy provides with longer and better lives. There is no question about that.

The ‘CO2 is plant food’ argument is a gross oversimplification. For example, rising carbon dioxide levels increase the greenhouse effect, causing global warming, which in turn intensifies droughts. As we’re seeing in California right now (the Golden State turning brown), that’s not good for plants.

Christy also made a key mistake in those comments. Energy gives people longer and better lives, but there’s absolutely no reason that energy must come from carbon-intensive fossil fuel sources. In fact, my colleague John Abraham is helping developing countries in Africa deploy clean energy sources instead.

Christy and Spencer have also been affiliated with various conservative fossil fuel-funded think tanks. And Spencer is on the Board of Advisors of the Cornwall Alliance – a religious group that essentially believes God wouldn’t let damaging climate change happen. Spencer has also made some controversial comments, calling those who disagree with him “global warming Nazis” as well as declaring “I love FoxNews” and saying,

I view my job a little like a legislator, supported by the taxpayer, to protect the interests of the taxpayer and to minimize the role of government.

Spencer and Christy made a valuable scientific contribution by creating their atmospheric temperature data set. However, given how few climate scientists dispute the expert consensus on human-caused global warming, it’s useful to examine their research and comments with a critical eye. When we do, it becomes clear that they have less in common with Galileo than with the scientists who disputed the links between smoking and cancer.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2015, 20:59
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26 Apr 2015, 20:59#10

The base data adjusted down, the measuring points changed.....these temps have a huge judgement component, all of which is biased in one direction. Its now 30 years since this coming catastrophe was mooted and life has not changed. so here is my position:

 

1) I dont believe the measurement efforts are unbiased and they have shown a 1 degree Centigrade change over a hundred years....almost nothing over 30 years.

 

2) The earth experienced a Little Ice Age from the 14th to the mid nineteenth century. We came out of that because of solar heat that carried us all the way through the sixties.

 

Since solar output has stalled and temps have stalled. US Army scientists calculate half of 20th century warming was due to solar warming.

 

3) So rising temps may have some man made component, but probably less than half.

 

 

4) There is no way we can do without carbon based energy, not with vast dependent populations divorced from the land....and Germany went in the other direction by closing down nuclear power.

 

5) The Kyoto treaty, the best the world could attempt....only delays the theoretical temp curve by 5 years at massive cost. It's no solution at all.

 

6) Many of the people including the scientists who are flying around promoting climate change are some of the worst carbon offenders.....eg Richard Branson and a few helpers in a commercial aircraft flying around the world. A trip from NZ to Europe is equivalent to a years' motoring.....multiply that by 3 in first class.

 

 

We need to get into a more open, co-operative debate about all this which engages and doesn't villify industry and contrarian views. Then perhaps we can do some sensible things, that wont stop the sun getting hotter but might serve to contain pollution.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Apr 2015, 21:08
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26 Apr 2015, 21:08#11
ABasque, only very stupid people are still denying climate change.
Some people who are both very stupid and deceitful are now trying to pretend that they didn't deny climate change, they only denied the extent of it. LMAO!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2015, 21:10
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26 Apr 2015, 21:10#12

Climate always changes you dope.....or did you think it was all a flat line?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2015, 21:10
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26 Apr 2015, 21:10#13

Last week, according to our crackerjack mainstream media, NASA announced that 2014 was the hottest year, like, ever.

No, really. The New York Times began its report with: “Last year was the hottest in earth’s recorded history.”

Well, not really. As we’re about to see, this is a claim that dissolves on contact with actual science. But that didn’t stop the press from running with it.

If you follow the link I gave to the New York Times piece, you will see that this opening sentence has since been rewritten, for reasons which will soon become clear. But the Times wasn’t the only paper to start with that claim, and most of the headlines are still up. The Washington Post has: “2014 Was the Hottest Year in Recorded History.” The Boston Globe: “2014 Was Earth’s Hottest Year in Recorded History.” And so on.

You can see how misleading this is. When you read the phrase “in recorded history,” you think we’re talking about a really long time—the time dating back to the first historical records in Sumeria, circa 3500 BC. (That’s what you’ll find if you look up the phrase “recorded history.”) That’s a time frame of 5,000 to 6,000 years. But in the case of the temperature record, it actually means only 135 years. Accurate, systematic, global thermometer measurements of surface temperatures go back only to 1880. That’s why the Times report, presumably after getting whacked for a wildly misleading opening sentence, changed it to: “Last year was the hottest on earth since record-keeping began in 1880.” Which is a whole lot less impressive.

That “recorded history” gaffe is even worse when you consider that during “recorded history,” in the 5,000-year sense of the phrase, there’s good evidence that the Earth has been warmer than it is today.

We don’t have thermometer measurements going back that far, but scientists can use “proxies”—things they can measure that tend to vary with temperature, such as the composition of ancient deposits of seashells, or the thickness of the rings in ancient, slow-growing trees—to get very rough estimates. These have usually shown warmer temperatures during Roman times and the Middle Ages, when “recorded history” describes wine grapes growing in Northern England and Newfoundland.

There have been a few attempts to write these warm periods out of existence—one of them being Michael Mann’s infamous “hockey stick” graph, which implausibly asserts that global temperatures remained totally flat in every century except the 20th—but these claims have been controversial to say the least.

That’s why the implication that this is the warmest year ever in all of human history should never have gotten by a reporter who knows the first thing about the science on this issue. It implies a claim that we’re pretty sure just isn’t true.

Now let’s move on to the corrected statement, that this is the hottest year since the thermometer record began in 1880. But this a very short time for gathering data about the climate and distinguishing new trends from natural variation. For example, about half of the warming that occurs in that time happens prior to 1940, before it could have been caused by human activity. This warming was probably a natural rebound from the Little Ice Age, a cool period that ended in the middle of the 19th century.

More broadly, all changes in temperature that we observe today are relatively small variations within a much larger trend on a geological time scale. We know that the earth is going through a series of freezing and warming cycles on a scale of tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years. And it has mostly been freezing. We’re fortunate enough to live in a cozy, warm “interglacial” period between ice ages. So we’re all staring down the barrel of the next ice age, yet we’re spending our time worrying about global warming.

But let’s say we take this hyperventilation about a few relatively warm decades seriously. Even by that standard, this latest claim is ridiculously over-hyped.

If 2014 is supposed to be “hotter” than previous years, it’s important to ask: by how much?

You can spend a long time searching through press reports to get an actual number on this—which is a scandal unto itself. Just saying one year was “hotter” or “the hottest” is a vague qualitative description. It isn’t science. Science runs on numbers. You haven’t said anything that is scientifically meaningful until you state how much warmer this year was compared to previous years—and until you give the margin of error of that measurement.

The original NASA press release did not give those figures—and most press reports just ran with it anyway. This in itself says a lot. When it comes to global warming, “journalism” has come to mean: “copying press releases from government agencies.”

But a few folks decided to do some actual journalism, and Britain’s Daily Mail reports that

the NASA press release failed to mention…that the alleged ‘record’ amounted to an increase over 2010, the previous ‘warmest year’, of just two-hundredths of a degree—or 0.02C. The margin of error is said by scientists to be approximately 0.1C—several times as much.

Pause for a moment to digest that. The margin of error was plus or minus one tenth of a degree. The difference supposedly being measured here is two hundredths of a degree—five times smaller than the margin of error. The Daily Mail continues:

As a result, GISS’s director Gavin Schmidt has now admitted NASA thinks the likelihood that 2014 was the warmest year since 1880 is just 38 per cent. However, when asked by this newspaper whether he regretted that the news release did not mention this, he did not respond.

This is not exactly a high point in the employment of the scientific method.

If we take into account this margin of error, the most we can say is that 2014 was, so far as we know, just as warm as 2005 and 2010. There is no significant difference between these years. And that gives the lie to claims of runaway global warming. As the redoubtable Judith Curry recently pointed out:

The real issue that is of concern to me is the growing divergence between the observed global temperature anomalies and what was predicted by climate models. Even if 2014 is somehow unambiguously the warmest year on record, this won’t do much to alleviate the growing discrepancy between climate model predictions and the observations.

She links to this graph which shows that observed temperatures are falling at or below the low end of the range predicted by the climate models. With every year that passes, the models predict a greater and greater increase in temperature—but the actual observations remain stubbornly flat. Curry concludes that “ranking 1998, 2005, 2010, and 2014 as the ‘warmest years’ seems very consistent with a plateau in surface temperatures since 1998.”

So allow me to suggest a more accurate first sentence to sum up this story: “In the tiny little blip of geological time for which we have accurate surface temperature records, last year was pretty much the same as 2005 and 2010, continuing a plateau of global temperatures that has lasted nearly 20 years.”

What remains of the original description of this news? Nothing but bluff, spin, and the uncritical press-release journalism that dominates mainstream reporting on the climate. It may or may not be the hottest year ever, but this is definitely in the running for the most dishonest year on record.

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Photo By: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2015, 21:11
#14
26 Apr 2015, 21:11#14
Great responses Moz. Ou ab ass seems to be a very gullible oak.
However as I have said before the most severe from of gullibility is accepting the myth of evolution. That is horrendously dumb! 
I was drinking a lovely glass of milk today and wonderred how that all evolved. Hahahhahahaha  - I have many a chuckle at how gullible evolutionists are.
I think I must post something about dinosaurs for the poor darwinian dinosaur rooitwit.it will blow his "mind".
If Al Gore hockey stick scenario, which was punted so vigourously, was half true we would be feeling the heat! Hahahahahahahahahaha hilarious stuff really!!

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Apr 2015, 21:19
#15
26 Apr 2015, 21:19#15
And sure enough, to prove my point, here's Baboon-ou!


"It are not hot today where I are live . . . what are these climate change oaks torking about?"
LMAO!
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becsPro4,378 posts
26 Apr 2015, 21:42
#16
26 Apr 2015, 21:42#16
 No, Mozart, I think Labour are some of the most dishonest people on the planet....given they happily played poodle to America and took us into a couple of illegal Wars. Gordon Brown also stole the Pensions of millions and gave all our Gold to Germany....I could go on for an eternity.......denied it all, of course, as liars do....
My meaning was, they are a biased Newspaper and will say exactly what their masters wish them to.In this instance, the Tories are very, very Climate change sceptic....to the point of outright denial, in many Ministers cases ( including the recently sacked Environment Minister, Mr Owen Paterson ) Just giving you a heads up, in case you want to quote any of our Press in future. I can give you some pointers as to those that might not skew their articles in such a biased manner....or will skew in your favour.....if you would like  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2015, 21:57
#17
26 Apr 2015, 21:57#17
 Hey rooitwit where is the baboon's twitch?  Its not the same with out it!
One hopes you and ab ass will one day grow up and stop being led by the nose. Talk about being gullible dopes! 
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Apr 2015, 22:46
#18
26 Apr 2015, 22:46#18
 the evidences are overwhelming,........ but it's so easy to say you don't believe them,....... it's so easy to say that you don't believe in all the evidences that you don't like,....... to continue believing what you wanted
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Apr 2015, 22:49
#19
26 Apr 2015, 22:49#19
 so funny to see someone who believes that the bible is an historical relate, that Adan and Eve really existed,.... talking about others' guillibility
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2015, 22:49
#20
26 Apr 2015, 22:49#20
 ab ass Dr Moz has ably rebutted your alarmist one world order propoganda.  Deal with it
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Apr 2015, 23:15
#21
26 Apr 2015, 23:15#21
  because you say so,........ yeah, sure
you didn't even read any of the articles posted but you are sentencing,............ for your knowledge, and knowing that you are not going to read them, I posted an article about the ocean's temperature, another one about the melting of the antarctica glaciers and another one about the jet stream,....... nothing of what mozart said rebutted one word of those articles
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Apr 2015, 01:17
#22
27 Apr 2015, 01:17#22
How would you know if the evidence is overwhelming Basque....can you integrate x squared? 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Apr 2015, 14:43
#23
27 Apr 2015, 14:43#23
 First off, there is absolutely no doubt that the climate is changing and that human action has a very negative influence on the environment and the planet as a whole, but to say the Totten Glacier has enough ice to raise the oceans' water level is utter BS. What else in the article are then BS as well? 
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
27 Apr 2015, 17:57
#24
27 Apr 2015, 17:57#24
  Totten Glacier: Scientists Identify New Threat to East Antarctic Ice Mar 17, 2015 by Sci-News.com

A team of researchers led by Jamin Greenbaum of the University of Texas at Austin has discovered two seafloor troughs that could allow warm ocean water to reach the base of Totten Glacier, East Antarctica’s largest and most rapidly thinning glacier. The discovery probably explains the glacier’s extreme thinning and raises concerns about how it will affect sea level rise.

The Totten Glacier catchment, outlined in blue, is a collection basin for ice and snow that flows through the glacier. It’s estimated to contain enough material to raise sea levels by at least 3.5 m. Image credit: Jamin Greenbaum / Australian Antarctic Division.

Totten Glacier is East Antarctica’s largest outlet of ice to the ocean and has been thinning rapidly for many years. It is approximately 65 km long and 30 km wide and contains enough ice to raise global sea levels by at least 3.5 m.

Climate change is raising the temperature of the oceans, and sea levels are predicted to rise about 1 m per century; Totten Glacier could represent a major component of this change.

“It’s only one glacier, but it’s changing now and it is significant for sea levels globally,” said team member Prof Martin Siegert of Imperial College London, UK.

“The 3.5 m rise may take several centuries to complete, but now the process has started it is likely irreversible. This is another example of how human-induced climate change could be triggering major changes with knock-on impacts that will be felt globally.”


The whole article:

http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/geoscience/science-totten-glacier-threat-east-antarctic-ice-02608.html




Nature Geoscience | Letter


Ocean access to a cavity beneath Totten Glacier in East Antarctica Nature Geoscience 8, 294–298 (2015) doi:10.1038/ngeo2388 Received 12 December 2014 Accepted 09 February 2015 Published online 16 March 2015

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Totten Glacier, the primary outlet of the Aurora Subglacial Basin, has the largest thinning rate in East Antarctica1, 2. Thinning may be driven by enhanced basal melting due to ocean processes3, modulated by polynya activity4, 5. Warm modified Circumpolar Deep Water, which has been linked to glacier retreat in West Antarctica6, has been observed in summer and winter on the nearby continental shelf beneath 400 to 500 m of cool Antarctic Surface Water7, 8. Here we derive the bathymetry of the sea floor in the region from gravity9 and magnetics10 data as well as ice-thickness measurements11. We identify entrances to the ice-shelf cavity below depths of 400 to 500 m that could allow intrusions of warm water if the vertical structure of inflow is similar to nearby observations. Radar sounding reveals a previously unknown inland trough that connects the main ice-shelf cavity to the ocean. If thinning trends continue, a larger water body over the trough could potentially allow more warm water into the cavity, which may, eventually, lead to destabilization of the low-lying region between Totten Glacier and the similarly deep glacier flowing into the Reynolds Trough. We estimate that at least 3.5 m of eustatic sea level potential drains through Totten Glacier, so coastal processes in this area could have global consequences.


http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v8/n4/full/ngeo2388.html


The Washington Post Energy and Environment The melting of Antarctica was already really bad. It just got worse. By Chris Mooney March 16
...


“The idea of warm ocean water eroding the ice in West Antarctica, what we’re finding is that may well be applicable in East Antarctica as well,” says Martin Siegert, a co-author of the study and who is based at the Grantham Institute at Imperial College London.

[Research casts alarming light on the decline of West Antarctic glaciers]

The floating ice shelf of the Totten Glacier covers an area of 90 miles by 22 miles. It it is losing an amount of ice “equivalent to 100 times the volume of Sydney Harbour every year,” notes the Australian Antarctic Division.

That’s alarming, because the glacier holds back a much more vast catchment of ice that, were its vulnerable parts to flow into the ocean, could produce a sea level rise of more than 11 feet (3.4 m.)— which is comparable to the impact from a loss of the West Antarctica ice sheet. And that’s “a conservative lower limit,” says lead study author Jamin Greenbaum, a PhD candidate at the University of Texas at Austin.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/16/the-melting-of-antarctica-was-already-really-bad-it-just-got-worse/

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Apr 2015, 20:42
#25
27 Apr 2015, 20:42#25
What utter rot....10 years ago it was the reversal of the gulf stream, then it was the melting of the Himalayan glaciers, now this. They just go from scare tactic to scare tactic. The problem of course being that a one degree Centigrade increase would never by itself unleash any of this.
So there is no cause and effect....even if you had effect, which of course we don't.

Integrated x squared  yet?
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becsPro4,378 posts
27 Apr 2015, 21:01
#26
27 Apr 2015, 21:01#26
 Oh, as you gave ignored the point about the Torygraph marching to the beat of its masters drum, Mozart,  I will add an Historical fact to the equation; there is evidence to suggest that we grew grapes here for wine pre Roman times and there is no evidence to suggest that any were grown by the Romans further North than Lincolnshire. 
Lots of folk grow grapes in their gardens, my neighbour has a vine in his garden. Fallacy to suggest we can't grow them here, but the crops get bigger year on year and the ability for folks to grow them has increased. Maybe we can now grow them " North of Hadrian's Wall " as a few Science tomes have erroneously claimed the Romans did !! 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Apr 2015, 21:22
#27
27 Apr 2015, 21:22#27
Well that's nice for you Becs......but you totally missed my point re the Telegraph. They were reporting a fact ie that an investigation has been started....not an opinion. As for your larger grapes eat them without any guilt. You aren't the unwitting beneficiary of the evil dee ds of British Industry....there is no longer any British Industry, just foreigners doing trades in London.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Apr 2015, 08:51
#28
28 Apr 2015, 08:51#28
Abasq. The oceans of the world is roughly 361 M km². To raise the sea level by 6 m (like in second article of your opening post), you will need 361 M x 0.006. That is 2.171 M km3 of ice. If you divide the area of the glacier (65 km x 30 km) into that, the ice should be more than a 1000 km thick to raise the water level of the oceans by 6 m, which is obviously BS. What the writer of the article omits is that the feeder basin of the glacier is much bigger. More than 500 000 km², but that is on land where temperatures are low and the ice won't be affected by the warmer ocean temperatures, that was the point of the article in the first place. This is the kind of blatant distortion of the facts that gives "deniers" a foot in the door.Look, if the thing melts, we are in a lot of trouble. We are in trouble as it stands, but to ad BS to the argument only weakens the credibility of those who are supposedly trying to fight for the cause.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2015, 14:49
#29
28 Apr 2015, 14:49#29

 

 

How could you not have rises in temperature in the 20th century with that curve? Note it is totally consistent with the mini ice age in the 1600s and early 1800s.

 

 

That is not to say carbon release can't also effect temperature. It does say the 1 degree Centigrade temp rise in the 20 th century, has to be allocated among these two reasons. And we know for sure the drop in sun spot activity, a surrogate for solar output, had dramatic temp effects.

 

US Army Scientists figure half the warming in the 20th century, which lags the input, derives from the sun. It makes sense.

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
28 Apr 2015, 21:29
#30
28 Apr 2015, 21:29#30
 @ddraad,

No, the only thing "that gives "deniers" a foot in the door" are smart asses like you, who trying to appear to know more than anyone, even more than the scinentist who work in each subject, turn to small and insignificant technicalities, which is precisely the only way the deniers know to try to deny the climate change.

A glacier is considered that it's formed by its outlet and its cachement at least for calculating how much ice can they draw into the ocean (and I'm not going to discuss what is the exact definition of a glacier because it's completely insignificant and I don't give a sh¡t about it). And this happens because the glaciers flow and unlike you said ("that is on land where temperatures are low and the ice won't be affected by the warmer ocean temperatures" which is completely wrong)  all the ice of the cachement will end up in the ocean and will be afected by the warmer temperatures. The warmer the ocean's temperature the fastest the ice will end up in the ocean.

So,  the sentence that provoked your irate comments that all is an "utter BS", which is "The Totten Glacier, which has enough ice to cause a 6-metre sea-level rise"  is basically right (and I'm neither going to discuss if the rise will be of 6 m. or "at least 3.5" as it's said in the other articles because they are not contradicted statements and because is completely insignificant).

Very nice maths but  wrong since you enter the area of the glacier as only the area of the glacier's outlet.

Anyway, all those are insignificant technicalities. The important issues of those articles is that the oceans are the true indicators and they are getting warmer very fast and that the antctartica glaciers are melting faster than expected.

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
28 Apr 2015, 21:33
#31
28 Apr 2015, 21:33#31
 And mozart as always naming studies of the army that only him has seen and  bringing graphs of un- known origin.

That graph by itself doesn't explain anything.  If you put it with a temperature variation graph as it's made in this denniers' study about the so called "pause", http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/13/new-study-claims-low-solar-activity-caused-the-pause-in-global-temperature-but-agw-will-return/



what is more clearly seen in the following graph (http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/12-02-08/#feature)


which very clearly shows that in the last 35 years there's no correlation btwin the solar activity and the temperature rise. And to understansd that the rise of tempèrature that we are witnessing is not natural, the next graph is quite eloquent (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/09/paleoclimate-the-end-of-the-holocene/)




"Over the last decades, numerous researchers have painstakingly collected, analyzed, dated, and calibrated many data series that allow us to reconstruct climate before the age of direct measurements. Such data come e.g. from sediment drilling in the deep sea, from corals, ice cores and other sources. Shaun Marcott and colleagues for the first time assembled 73 such data sets from around the world into a global temperature reconstruction for the Holocene.... they have tried about twenty different averaging methods and also carried out 1,000 Monte Carlo simulations with random errors added to the dating of the individual data series to demonstrate the robustness of their results."
"At the beginning of the Holocene – after the end of the last Ice Age – global temperature increased, and subsequently it decreased again by 0.7 ° C over the past 5000 years. The well-known transition from the relatively warm Medieval into the “little ice age” turns out to be part of a much longer-term cooling, which ended abruptly with the rapid warming of the 20th Century. Within a hundred years, the cooling of the previous 5000 years was undone. "

Conclusion:
"the basic shape will turn out to be robust: a relatively smooth curve with slow cooling trend lasting millennia from the Holocene optimum to the “little ice age”, mainly driven by the orbital cycles. At the end this cooling trend is abruptly reversed by the modern anthropogenic warming.
The following graph shows the Marcott reconstruction complemented by some context: the warming at the end of the last Ice Age (which 20,000 years ago reached its peak) and a medium projection for the expected warming in the 21st Century if humanity does not quickly reduce greenhouse gas emissions. (...)



"In other words: We are catapulting ourselves way out of the Holocene.
Just looking at the known drivers (climate forcings) and the actual temperature history shows it directly, without need for a climate model: without the increase in greenhouse gases caused by humans, the slow cooling trend would have continued. Thus virtually the entire warming of the 20th Century is due to man. "







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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2015, 21:58
#32
28 Apr 2015, 21:58#32
The cut and paste artist in full swing....how about integrating x squared.
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
28 Apr 2015, 22:28
#33
28 Apr 2015, 22:28#33
 The same can be said of the king of "changing the subject when the egg is all over my face".

by the way, you are incredibly fool if you think that I'm going to dance to your rythm just because you say so. I don't have to prove anything to a moronic of your caliber so stop asking stupid things
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2015, 22:29
#34
28 Apr 2015, 22:29#34

Anthony Watts

Global warming is one of the most serious issues of our times. Some experts claim the rise in temperature during the past century was “unprecedented” and proof that immediate action to reduce human greenhouse gas emissions must begin. Other experts say the warming was very modest and the case for action has yet to be made.

The reliability of data used to document temperature trends is of great importance in this debate. We can’t know for sure if global warming is a problem if we can’t trust the data.

The official record of temperatures in the continental United States comes from a network of 1,221 climate-monitoring stations overseen by the National Weather Service, a department of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Until now, no one had ever conducted a comprehensive review of the quality of the measurement environment of those stations.

During the past few years I recruited a team of more than 650 volunteers to visually inspect and photographically document more than 860 of these temperature stations. We were shocked by what we found.

We found stations located next to the exhaust fans of air conditioning units, surrounded by asphalt parking lots and roads,
on blistering-hot rooftops, and near sidewalks and buildings that absorb and radiate heat. We found 68 stations located at wastewater treatment plants, where the process of waste digestion causes temperatures to be higher than in surrounding areas.

In fact, we found that 89 percent of the stations – nearly 9 of every 10 – fail to meet the National Weather Service’s own siting requirements that stations must be 30 meters (about 100 feet) or more away from an artificial heating or radiating/ reflecting heat source.

In other words, 9 of every 10 stations are likely reporting higher or rising temperatures because they are badly sited.

It gets worse. We observed that changes in the technology of temperature stations over time also has caused them to report a false warming trend. We found major gaps in the data record that were filled in with data from nearby sites, a practice that propagates and compounds errors. We found that adjustments to the data by both NOAA and another government agency, NASA, cause recent temperatures to look even higher.

The conclusion is inescapable: The U.S. temperature record is unreliable.

The errors in the record exceed by a wide margin the purported rise in temperature of 0.7o C (about 1.2o F) during the twentieth century. Consequently, this record should not be cited as evidence of any trend in temperature that may have occurred across the U.S. during the past century. Since the U.S. record is thought to be “the best in the world,” it follows that the global database is likely similarly compromised and unreliable.

This report presents actual photos of more than 100 temperature stations in the U.S., many of them demonstrating vividly the siting issues we found to be rampant in the network. Photographs of all 865 stations that have been surveyed so far can be found at www.surfacestations.org, where station photos can be browsed by state or searched for by name.  

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
28 Apr 2015, 22:42
#35
28 Apr 2015, 22:42#35
 did you forget what this thread was about? or may be it's because you cannot retain what you read?

the oceans,....... 93% of the energy,.......... the graph,....... ringing bells?



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2015, 23:26
#36
28 Apr 2015, 23:26#36

So all the heat is hiding in the Ocean....you are one gullible fella. Can you show some competence by integrating X squared? Indulge me, show I am talking to somebody with rudimentary maths.

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
28 Apr 2015, 23:32
#37
28 Apr 2015, 23:32#37
 what's your f*cking problem? you don't retain what you read or what? or it's that you cannot follow a normal discussion?

as I said, "you are incredibly fool if you think that I'm going to dance to your rythm just because you say so. I don't have to prove anything to a moronic of your caliber so stop asking stupid things"
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
28 Apr 2015, 23:44
#38
28 Apr 2015, 23:44#38
 "So all the heat is hiding in the Ocean"

No. More than the 90% of it doesn't mean all.

The genius of the maths who has the stupid arrogance of asking others to prove HIM their knowledge.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Apr 2015, 00:08
#39
29 Apr 2015, 00:08#39

The odd thing is I have done so much more for curbing pollution than you ever will. Cleaned up significant river deposits  and, converted a massive plant system to natural gas vs dirtier coal and fuel oil . But you live in the cut and paste world, so why should you care. You can't perform a basic, basic math calculation but you are an expert on the most complicated issue being debated today. Look up ironical.

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
29 Apr 2015, 00:31
#40
29 Apr 2015, 00:31#40
pathetic the level of arrogance,.......
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