Damian de Allende

Beause of the question marks about De Allende - I tried to check further on the guy.   There is very little about him on the interenet and I will summarize the issue as follows:-

Height    -      1,89

Weight   -         86 kgs

Date of birth -   29 November 1991 (so he is still only 20 years old)

Position    -    Center and Wing

From the little bit I saw on TV - he may be slightly heavier than the 86kgs mentioned.   I that is his weight - he is to my mind slightly too light to play in that position.    Saffex raised the weight and size issue as a reason for not selecting Jordaan - yet althoough shorter Jordaan weighs nearly 10 kgs more than De Allende.   Comments as to further physical development was made about Goosen - th same height - but 3 kgs heavier than De Allende.  If De Allende wants to progress further as a rugby player - he should to my mind add about 10kgs in muscles more to his present weight.

This guy must really be good if he is rated higher than Du Plessis.   We will have to wait and see what materializes insofar as he is concerned.  

Mike he is 96kg

http://www.sarugby.net/playerprofile.aspx?id=51794&category=&leagueid=0

 

Saffex

Thanks for the info - I was wrong - he weighs 96 kgs.    There is very little info on De Allende available.   He did play in the Varsity Cup and Vodacom competitions and came on as a replacement from the bench in a few  CC  games.   Do you know anything more about the guy? 

No, dont know much about him other than he has looked good when he has played for WP.

I feel for JP du Plessis, he needs to leave WP

I quoted from an article on the guy that can be found on the web - but for some reason or other the article and my comments did not save when I tried.   Go and have a look at the article and further info on this guy.

According to Dobson - the WP under 20 coach - this guy will decide whether he wants to play for the Springboks or not.   Is there higher praize than that of any player?  

 Well John Dobson knows his rugby and knows players. So If john has high praise for the kid then sure he sees potential. From the bit that i have seen of de Allende he looks to be a decent rugby player, physical, fast and has a step. 

My main issue is that he is normally a wing as far as I understand, He has never played 12 at this level and now to pick him at 12 in a crunch CC final, A very big Gamble. No matter the talent. So hopefully the brainstrust at WP knows something that we don't.

And on the JP du Plessis note, I don't think he is rated higher than du Plessis, JP is seen as an exclusive 13, he was tried in the u21 scene at 12 and at Vodacom cup level, but he is far better suited at 13. de Allende has this whole season so far been seen as a utility back to come off the bench normally at wing or if neccesery at 13 never at 12. Hopefully he has some linking and passing in his skillset as well otherwise i don't see the ball going wide.

i might need 10 kgs of weight but that needs to be backed up with skills development and hand eye training or else its just dead weight....

 

its a massive call to pick a 20 year old in a critical jumper like 12. there is a massive difference in terms of defence lines in the 12 channel than on the wing. that goes without saying. i am quite sure he will be tested. plums and co will exploit that on any midfield ball with the bigger ball carriers. coupled that with some offloading and one has the potential to create space very quickly. once again no cups and co dont seem to understand that 12 is a pivotal postion in the backline and one cant just simply slot in there and be great.

 

i must say the real danger man for me from sharks point of view is nic groom. i really do rate this guy. he is very divan serfonteinish in his service and running style. i really feel a player like JP du plessis woudl have been a better option at 13 but he was handed a raw deal. i think he can really be a force if he moves to either the sharks or the cheetahs. a marcel brache jp du plessis combo would have given me more nightmares than de allende.

 

 

No snapster the answer is for Alistair to wake up to the fact that Du nPlessis is far better than brache!!!!!!!!!

Alistair is slow but the penny eventually drops - witness the change is the gameplan re more attacking focus - mind you he had so many folk telling him that it wasnt as if he worked  it out himself!!.

Muncher what you are unable to grasp is that a 96 kg center - all other things being equal - is better than an 86 kg center - and hence muncher the paupicity of centers of 86 kg at the top level. To spell it out the 96 kg centers have eqiuivalent skills, pace etc at the top level (Beeno exhausting all possible means to explain all this to the muncher!) Ask Nieaber muncher - Hahahahahaha

Muncher brache has been dropped because he is a pap string bean center who will not make too much of an impression at Super 15 unles he gets stronger. Already he is cracking up and Alistair and Fleckie saw this - they are no tcompletely blind!. How they could have left out Du Plessis so often boggles the mind. But happy days for you muncher you are at least correct  about Groom.

 

i see a lot of kids come here that weigh 90 100 kg's (backline players) but they cant even pass with there weaker side that. or they cant even step of the weaker leg...so please do tell me how weight is more important than skills. yes if 2 players are matched in skills then the bigger player will be more effective...that goes with out saying duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...rugby is a contact sport beenpoepol ....please read before you post...that CA degree that you bought from those "online varisty's" really shows in your amazing abilty to oversell the obvious my dear boy. or please ask mom to bring you the newspaper when she brings your lunch today. might broaden you "finding nemo" like attention span

 

in your other post you think a very green WP backrow with one bok is on some planet better than daniel alberts and co....deysel was a bok and he is on the bench but in some enchanted world that you call beeno land that is worse than what wp puts out on the field.

Carpetmuncher I must admit I was flabbergasted by the selection of De Allende - that is why I read up as much as possible on what he can bring to games. Like everybody else - I never thought this type of selection would happen. However, throughout Super 15 this year there were serious problems in the Stormer backline combinations and I am not suprised really about what happened. Let me be more explicit - espeially with regard to the Centers who played for the Syormers. I have always rated De Villiers very highly as a center. However, in his case performances has been deteriorating with age. To my mind De Villiers is unliklely to last more than a further year as center. and the end of 2013 will be the most he can hope for before retiring. De Villiers did last through the Super 15 this year without a really serious injury - surprising since he previously was injury bound and missed out on the 2003 and 2007 WC's because of injuries. However, this year he showed very little in Super 15 - one of the main reasons why the Stormer backline was not really firing at all. However, the main reason was in fact De Jongh. De Jongh did show some attacking and defensive flare flare initially when he became a Springbok - but that went out of the window when the opposititon worked him out. Nowadays he is as hamrless in attack than my grandma would have been. His clangers are getting more and more. His ballhandling really is a joke in bad tatse. Last week for example - he knocked balls on twice and the case where he rushed back to defend was a classic. Instead of booting out the ball he ran past it and fell on it. That ultimately led to the Lions try. In the whole of Super 15 he scored only two tries - both against the Rebels. In both cases he had an open line in front of him with no defenders that could stop the tries. However, he can as easily fluff tries - like happened in the Australia test and again last Saturday - when he received the ball - which ended in him being ankle-tapped. De Jongh has a reputation as a speedy player - yet the player who ankle-tapped him ran from behind and in fact was a Lions forward (no 19). From my own perspective the real backline problem thisyear with the Stormers was the combination of a deteriorating De Villiers with a useless De Jongh outside of him. Insofar as I am concerned any center combination without De Jongh will be stronger than one with him in the team. However, Coetzee seems to be "married" to him from a team selection perspective. The other weak link in the center situation was Brasche. He did play instead of De Villiers in a few games in Super 15 and showed zero in the process. Last Saturday he was utterly useless as a center and that is perhaps why he was left out of the team this week. I would have left De Jongh out if the Stormers team completely - since he did not really deserve to be in the team. Even if De Allende have the game of his life on Saturday - De Jongh would bugger it up outside of him. That is why I thought that Du Plessis got a raw deal insofar as the final is concerned. The latter really is a classy player - both on defence and especially on attack. Without Du Plessis as an additional attacking player - the WP backline would not perform as required. However, I will watch the performance of De Allende carefully - he may yet surprize us all - if what Dobson said about him is anything to go by.

well in light of your posts mike i think your points that you make makes more sense than this mindless one eyed drivel that beeno the so called rugby legend is making.

 

yes your right maybe no cups's hand was forced in selecting a complete greeny 20 year old in CC final. but to be honest its in my view still a major major call. if they had him in the long term development that surely he needed to given some game time before a final surely. the little i have seen of him he does not have that vision for a 12. same as de jongh he seems more a outside half line runner than a more creative 12. his main issue being his ball distribution abiltys. it saterday goes pear shaped than it will cause more damage than good to de allende that i think has a great future.

 

du plessis should really consider to move. i am quite sure with his size and speed he will be a massive force in the sharks setup or the cheetahs.

 

the WP has such lobsided development and procurement policy that have at least 6 odd 13's in the province but cant seem to replace a JDV at 12. really poor stuff sorry to say

Beeno

Did you read what I said about backline play under the thread dealing with the best CC players ever?   Lets get to the gist of the matter.   Concentration on weight and physical strength represent 40% of the answer to backline play - it is no use to play quasi-forwards relying on that component only.

The rest is made up of skillful and clever play - the ability to outwit the opposition - coupled to ball handling  ability.  If players do not have the latter they should NOT be in the team at all.   That is where the present problem lies with attacking backline play.  

Clever players will also be clever defenders.

Your idea of a powerpack up front is useful - but without clever and effective backline performances it means zero - end of story.    That is where you are going to go down on Saturday.

if only 10 % of mike common sense was present in beeno then the world could have been a much better place. dont waste you time mike some "rugby legends" cant crasp singular concepts or even begin to understand that rugby is meant for all shapes and sizes and that the cookie cutter mentality does not work in a diverse sport like rugby.

 

if beeno was a coach i bet you 100 bucks duane vermeulen would have been picked at 12 and the rest of the backline would have been nothing more than converted flanks ala english premier club style rugby.

i expect beeno to ravage his mom fridge over the weekend after the loss and he will secome to emotional eating and gain a few pounds to his "unique body structure"

So much for me commenting on Dobson. What a foul liar you are Pervert....so apologize you turd.  

 Wonderful, Damian was a wing. It all makes so much sense now. LOL!

 Mozart
Try again doffies - the threat I mentioned was one dealing with what Dobson said about De Allende and I quoted what Dobson said about De Allende under another thread  and that is when you went ballistic about Dobson's comments.    

 One more lie...you should have read the whole thread:
 
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Posts: 19502RE: Damian de Allende
October 25, 2012, 21:36:17

I quoted from an article on the guy that can be found on the web - but for some reason or other the article and my comments did not save when I tried .   Go and have a look at the article and further info on this guy.

According to Dobson - the WP under 20 coach - this guy will decide whether he wants to play for the Springboks or not.   Is there higher praize than that of any player?  

 Totally unmasked as a liar a gain. Man you are truly rubbish.

De Allende strength is attack and not defence...some centres have defence as their strongest attribute and while it's necessary that all good international centres should be able to perform at both...every great centre has a standout attribute and function..

I used Danie Gerber and Pieter Muller as typical role models.

Damian is an attacking centre and better at 13...HM prefers him at 12

 What is rubbish is trashing Allende when he is a very good center although I detect asubtle retreat on the issue.
As for Muncher guess who proved to be right re Brache and Allende!
I see Wiki have Allende at 101 kg but I seem to recall seeing him at 103kg. Freakishly strong guy this. But we have Card sayinhg he is not. Bwahahhahahahahahahahaha time to wise up oaks! Add in the trashing of Krile and the support for matfield and we have monumental blunders.

Yes he is good...damn good in fact...cannot wait to see what he performs in the future...

 Extract from Gavin Rich
In short, it was what Meyer said he wanted in Brighton. Birmingham showed, in some of the selections too – De Allende simply has to wear the No 12 if fit, no question of that – what mistakes shouldn’t be repeated.

 
Damian can finally move on with his career at 12.

May it be an amazing one.

Calling up Serfontein is a mistake ... but then again it's Meyer we're talking about so what's new. Making mistakes is all he knows.

Vorster would be first on my list. 

" Calling up Serfontein is a mistake" - Agreed "Vorster would be first on my list." - is out injured. My choice - Odendaal

 
Yes I know ... I am looking toward the future.

Odendaal ... good choice ... I also like Swanepoel as a possible future 13.

Venter from the Cheetahs has also impressed.

 Mozart
There was another threat in which De Allende was discussed after you went bananas about him previously - the one you quoted  was after I tried to get more info on him before the CC Final - I saw him coming of the bench only once before on TV when eh came from the bench as a wing for WP and he scored a brilliant try in the game.
You did not comment on that one.  During 2013 when De Allende did well in Super 15 I looked up what Dobson write about him and quoted it on this site and mentioned him as a potential future Springbok that you went bananas and that campaign against him relentlessly ever since.
However, you are welcome to find the 2013 thread but I do not think you would want to since that will show up your prejudice against the guy.     

 Produce the thread....what we have found so far is the thread you referred to on which I said zip about  Allende....and the reference to a thread on Dobson which by your own account did not post.Now supposedly there is a third post where I ran down Allende? Balls!

The first time I saw  Allende was at the end of the 2012 CC and I was impressed by his attacking prowess, and hadn't yet noted his defensive issues. So I know you are flat lying, you miserable old coot. Produce your evidence Pervert.

 I am not lying - I told you when I raised the issue of potential Springbok selection for De Allende in 2013 you went ballistic - as per normal when a younger player is mentioned.  It was then when I did quote the comments made by Dobson about De Allende and you went overboard.     

So I campaigned relentlessly against Allende....eat crow pervert
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March 02, 2013, 22:23:54

Not bad Moz except De Allende did little to be on par with JP or Ludik. Even Jordaan for that matter so I will put him at a 4. Frans was slightly better than a 4 as he relieved some pressure with kicks and some nice takes under the high ball. 5.5 for him.

 

No ways was Franco worse that Burden, lets switch their ratings and Kankowski was at least a 6.5 based on your ratings.

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March 02, 2013, 22:33:38

Well BL I'm not a de Allende fan, but we disagree on him tonight and Fransie. I thought de Allende managed a few decent runs in heavy traffic.

 

I really enjoy KanKan, but the match tonight suited Deysel and Vermeulen more than Kankowski. I wish the coaches would encourage Ryan to play more of a Big Joe game, where his pace would be an asset. If you are just going to use the guy in the trenches, he wont excel.

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 Eat more crow Pervert
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April 10, 2015, 01:51:58

Here is the test....how many SA backs would make the NZ backline. Perhaps Pollard and if he continues to develop perhaps de Allende. I have read the claims about supposed talent so many times. Where are the centres, where are the wings? 

 

 

What we have always been able to do is put together an effective international backline, but spreading the talent over all these S15 teams makes for weak tea.

 

 

The deniers can deny until they are blue in the face....the truth is painfully obvious. Teams that source big, fast Pacific nation backs are at an advantage in the backs. We have no physical equivalent except for occasional exceptions like Gerber, Habana and Jean. Our advantage is in the tight forwards....hookers, locks and loosies.

 

 

Bok coaches instinctively understand this and craft their team to deal with that reality.

In the CC Kolbe was a super star. In the S15 he is pretty vulnerable....that puts things in perspective.

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 And now the kick in balletjies
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March 09, 2014, 00:30:42

De Allende may emerge where Serfontein and JJ haven't. I'm intrigued with a backline very similar to yours ....with 9 F du Preez ....10 Fransie...12 de Allende ....13 Jean. There is a lot of stuff to prove yet, but thatcould be a very physically imposing backline. 

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You really need to stop lying old boy. You always end up looking like a fool and you waste a lot of time.  

 Mozart
You love to write tripe - but that means you deliberately tried to not find the thread I referred to in 2013.
Just a few questions about your latest quotation from 2015:-
"We have no physical equivalent except for occasional exceptions like Gerber, Habana and Jean"
Gerber was 6'1" and weighed 88 kg - about the same height and weight the useless Juan de Jongh is and Habana is 5'11" and 95 kgs.  Jean was the only player mentioned by you that constantly weighed 104 kgs - but since November last year he lost 7 kgs in weight.   Gerber was small compared to the Pacific Island Players and also Habana was much smaller - so where did you get your physical specimens from?
"Our advantage is in the tight forwards....hookers, locks and loosies."

Since when are loosies Tight Forwards?   The Tight forwards are the hooker, the props and the locks - not the loosies.  basic lesson given for your benefit free of charge.  Is that why you are bananas about Matfield who makes no contribution to Tight 5 play and must consequently be augmented by loosies making them into tight players as well - hence the addiction to Alberts for instance?

Nice try Tokkie....there is no such post, there is no such campaign. All there is is your lie. My position on Allende has always been that he is an attacking asset but a defensive liability. That if he could fix that he had all the physical attributes for a test centre.
Now your other points. Speed and power Tokkie.....provide a physical edge. In his day Gerber was a dominating centre, as was Habana a wing ....strong enough, with exceptional speed. In fact Gerber was a big centre in his day.
I know which the tight forwards are Perv...and Matfield is a brilliant tight forward.

But nice try to get away from your lie.