Disagree 100% intercepts are boring.
Willemse’s try was not a straightforward running through tacklers - it ended that way. There was a little in out that would have checked the defenders before he threw himself at the defenders
There was class in the way he set up the Esterhuizen try
There was the dancing feet to beat defenders throughout
Its harder to create than to finish - which is the difference between the roles of Willemse and Kolbe
Ja I was bored as Kolbe ran 80 metres to change the test…,Dave you are sounding more and more like the BS spreader Darkness.
It was great of course but I always feel short changed by intercepts as it’s always against the run of play
Anti climax - not a fan but its part of the game
"Disagree 100% intercepts are boring."
You need to watch the slow motion of that Kolbe intercept.
He fakes the tackle perfectly to force a pass, while always intending to go for the intercept.
That's very high level mind games combined with perfect execution, creating a score that swing the game.
Much like a chimp opening a physics manual, what transpired to set up that intercept was completely lost on Dawie. Pearls before swine.
Willemse is probably the best broken-field runner in South Africa.
Not sure what the exact term is, but when a player is working in limited space, with defenders shaping up for the tackle, he has this knack of keeping them just committed enough to hesitate, interested but not fully set, so nobody actually pulls the trigger.
The try he scored and the one he created for Williams to feed AE are perfect examples of that.
For me, he’s not a collision operator. He doesn’t need wide-open grass, but he does his sharpest work when he’s moving through slightly looser traffic.
No Plum I got the skill involved in making the intercept that does not detract from the fact I don’t get off on intercept tries
Always against the run of play - a desperate attempt to salvage a situation.
They are a part of the game - just not part of the highlights for me
And that’s my whole point re Willemse - if there is one player who could change the way 12’s play the game at test rugby it’s him
He has the skill set to exploit fragments of space or create an opening with his dancing feet. Add that to the fact he is a big boy these days so is also able to impose himself physically when need be
He is the perfect architect to change how 12’s play and thankfully he past that first test with flying colours
Unfortunately for us fucking Fassi is injured which means yet again we will see Willemse having to change positions as it’s almost 100% certain that he will have to be deployed at 15 against the Argies
So instead of building on the Wellington performance it will be back to square one - sooooo fucking frustrating
That makes it easy for Rassie to return DA to 12 and with that we will see Kriel back at 13 with Moodie or Hooker on the wing
Dave you have built a castle in the sky….it’s starts with the idea that there is no space on the field in today’s rugby…..that then implies one needs a tractor at 12, who grinds out hard yards. You just keep doing this, even offloading is verboten because the recipient needs to be part of the rucking team supporting the tractor.
Put that all together and you need a tractor at 12 and tackler/rucker at 13. That’s what we have in the Dud/Kriel combination. Come 2025 and the Aussies run through us as we shift the focus to running more and we find huge holes in the AB defense.
It becomes obvious the castle in the sky is fading in the mist. Move the ball through multiple phases, offload, run challenging lines designed to beat tackles rather than just reset…..and miraculously there is space.
Now your Tractor who has always been slow and ponderous, is an actual hindrance and outdated. The debate now is do we need a playmaker rather than a finisher at 12. And the answer is yes…a player that can do the hard yards and put his partner through the gaps. The answer is enthusiastically yes.
Willemse could play 12/13/ 15. Fassi is injured and out of form….Willemse has to play 15, no more Hendrikses. We need to build around Esterhozen at 12 as a man who does Dud better than Dud, but is also an intelligent component, rather than just a mechanical one .
Your new vision is youth….always select the young player. I counter with Kolbe….always select the best player. If youth is deserving it will make it’s case.
Here's an interesting observation from James Parsons on one of the Youtube panel shows:
Talking about the Boks on Saturday:
"...they only had 13% dominant carries. As we've sort of outlined, they're used to sort of 50 and 60% dominant carries. And you'd look at that stat and go 'Oh man, All Blacks must have done a job like in the tight collision', but it was more that the South Africans didn't try and overplay their hand in the contact. You know this idea of post contact meters and fighting your way actually buys defense time. And what they did is they almost sacrificed that extra two or three meters to recycle that ball quickly."
Myself and others have pointed out in the past how, in particular, DDA's slow tractoring (the word as a description of an action was pretty much coined for him due to the way he plays) into traffic, where he's maybe staying on his feet, maybe fighting off a tackler or two but not really making any progress just gives the defense time to reset. Defense says thank you very much, keep spinning your leggies at 1m per second while the pundits rave about your strength, we'll use that time to our advantage.
Wrong again Moz as per usual - I never said there was no space I said there was very little space in test rugby which is exactly the case
It’s the very reason test sides use big ball carriers at 12, a fact both you and Pakie completely don’t get
Its the very reason why we have seen the likes of de Allende, Esterhuizen, Tuilagi, Kerevi, Aki, Danty, Tuipolotu, Ollie Lawrence etc deployed at 12, not your regular built backs
These guys were not there to attack space as there was very little of that - they were there to carry it up
What part of this are you missing?
So my call is to change that and the guy to do it is Willemse as he is equipped to exploit the tiny bit of space out there or better still create space where there is no space with his dancing feet
So no we don’t need an old man like AE being the future at 12, it’s too late for me plus he is more of the same as DA.
With Fassi out we can play Sacha or Kolbe at 15 and retain Willemse at 12 - by far the best option for us moving forward - it’s a no brainer and good to see Rassie is thinking along those lines
Yes Dave we have heard all that before, but dancing feet implies space….perhaps this is the time for a name change. I’d suggest Big Dave. Hold on, we would still be able to recognize that …..how about Flamingo 230.
Bullshit we saw Willemse using those dancing feet in close quarters on Saturday - did you miss it?
Well you tell me why big heavy brick shit houses are deployed at 12 then?
Take your time
Because they can also beat tackles and make breaks, and because they can offload. Spot the difference
Which is exactly what DA does but like all of them their primary role is to tractor it up in traffic because test match rugby dictates as much
You just don’t get it
Dave you have been utterly wrong about this for years. Here’s a typical example from 2021
Kerevi …17 runs/47 metres/1 clean break/6 defenders beaten/ 2 offloads/ 1 try assist
Dud Allende 2 runs/11 metres/ 0 clean breaks/ 0 defenders beaten/ 0 offloads/ no try assist.
…….
‘Not doing anything except reset phases achieves nothing, in the last 2 WC matches he gained a total of 10 metres in 10 runs. Abysmal.
Lol Teat match rugby requires a tractor, but Willemse isn't, and never has been, a tractor, but I want Willemse there because Willemse has dancing feet, and there is space for dancing feet but there isn't space for dancing feet.
The unbridled amounts of gibberish.
It's nice to know that AE has secured the 12 jersey now.
In the end, most of Dave's views don't hold up to even the most benign scrutiny.
Finally, we can enjoy watching the Boks again.
Finally, we can enjoy watching the Boks again.
Not only to enjoy but also finally to be a proud Bok supporter......God it feels good.
Hallelujah!!!
Let's hope this becomes a magical era for Bok rugby.
Rubbish Moz the likes of Kerevi etc spent most of their time smashing it up - fact
I’ve never been wrong about this. There is a reason we have seen 110kg inside centres used by every top test nation out there.
Watching the likes of Tuilagi, Aki etc over the years has been about them carrying in traffic not beating defenders. Yes they beat the odd defender just like DA does but that’s secondary. Primary is imposing themselves physically in traffic which is where DA thrived.
Plum try catch a wake up for once - I have repeatedly said if there was ever a player who could change the blueprint of a test 12 it’s Willemse
He took a big step in the right direction last Saturday but we need to see him there for an extended period for the new blueprint to have past the test
Hope that helps
Willemse is a far more skilful centre than Delande. We saw in the time he played 12, he is a far more all-around player.
"Plum try catch a wake up for once - I have repeatedly said if there was ever a player who could change the blueprint of a test 12 it’s Willemse"
So there is space?
...or isn't there space?
See, the benign scrutiny I was talking about.
All too much for Dawie
No you fucking idiot space is at a premium but the beauty of Willemse is that he is able to exploit the little space there is or create space from nothing with his dancing feet
Try fucking keep up
It’s impossible to remain patient dealing with such rugby bafoons
Fucking clueless
So...the amount of space available depends on the 12?
So what you're saying is that DDA sucks too much to use the space that is on offer?
...but isn't that we were saying all along?
So the question arises if dancing feet can create space, why choose Dud feet for the last 4years.. Translation, elusive centers can create space, Kerevi created space…Dud can’t, he’s a waste of space, if you’ll excuse the pun.
Kerevi created fuck all space he bashed his way through
All the test sides deployed big bulky 12’s because coaches realised average sized centres could not do the job as the job required plenty of physicality
Moz one would swear there were loads of creative test standard 12’s knocking about
Im not saying Willemse will definitely work at 12 but if there is one player that could make it work it’s Willemse - good old Buttplug is too stupid to comprehend this - the dumbfuck has now moved on to space being dependent on the type of 12 - time to throw the towel in on that idiot
Bur Moz I’m holding out hope for you - traditional test 12’s over the past 8 years have been big bulky ball carriers - no not creative ones, you will try spin that bullshit in some lame attempt to discredit the attacking skills of DA.
None of the likes of Kerevi etc were ever consistently better than DA, he has stood tall.
There has been no Willemse around to try change the 12 blueprint - Jordie Barrett is the closest example of a different model and of late the Italian 12. Jordie is good but he does not have the Willemse tools
So I’ll say it again - Willemse is equipped theoretically to change the 12 blueprint, whether that happens in practice over an extended period is dependent on him getting the opportunity to have an extended run at 12
We did not need to change the 12 blueprint 4 years ago as the DA one worked perfectly for us. We don’t have a new DA or AE coming through so that forces Rassie’s hand to try something new - queue Willemse - and with that comes the potential to unlock something completely new and very exciting for the Boks, if it works
What Willemse showed last week is that there is potential for the new to work but now we need Rassie to do his bit and make sure Willemse stays at 12 for at least the rest of the year
"Dud can’t, he’s a waste of space, if you’ll excuse the pun"
My girlfriend often gets dinner time updates of the goings on here at Ruckers.
I gave her the context and then read the above post to her.
We both had a good chuckle :)
Lol there is nobody new coming through....
But there is. Hooker. A bigger man than DDA by all accounts. Another one that is not only bigger, but faster, stronger, calmer and smarter.
"Im not saying Willemse will definitely work at 12 but if there is one player that could make it work it’s Willemse - good old Buttplug is too stupid to comprehend this - the dumbfuck has now moved on to space being dependent on the type of 12 - time to throw the towel in on that idiot"
No no no! I'm the one that believes there has always been space at 12 but DDA has squandered it. But let's not forget about distribution, baking up, looking for shoulders instead of bodies...
You're the one saying that there isn't space but Willemse's dancing feet can create space.
Don't get it twisted.
Well Buttplug that explains everything, you chatting rugby with your girlfriend. Thats about your level
Hooker bigger than DA fuck you really are profoundly rugby ignorant
10kg difference in size you idiot
Umm Dave...I said I sometimes update her on the funny stuff that happens on Ruckers.
Regardless, she knows way more than you do.
Way more.
As I said - it explains it all
Haha it does explain a lot. For a lady that never played rugby to be far more insightful than you...
We suffer your stupidity daily, Dawie
Whoooosh