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Defining A Decade

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Aug 2021, 20:40
#1
23 Aug 2021, 20:40#1
I was talking to my father about some of the great Boks of his youth, and we began listing players who we thought defined an era. For me the 90s and 00s had certain players that just seemed to be the essence of the Boks. The contenders:

The 90s
  1. Joost van der Westhuizen
  2. Os du Randt
  3. Joel Stransky
  4. Pieter Rossouw
  5. Mark Andrews

The 00s
  1. John Smit
  2. Schalk Burger
  3. Bryan Habana
  4. Victor Matfield
  5. Jean De Villiers

Who is the one player that defined each decade? State your case.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,232 posts
23 Aug 2021, 21:46
#2
23 Aug 2021, 21:46#2

2018+ is Rassie Erasmus.

A coach, director of rugby, and waterboy.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Aug 2021, 21:50
#3
23 Aug 2021, 21:50#3

Nie...naber. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Aug 2021, 22:17
#4
23 Aug 2021, 22:17#4

 Hennie Muller in the 50s…most exciting Paul Johnson

Frik du Preez in the 60s…..most exciting Jannie Englebrecht

Morné du Plessis in the 70s….most exciting Gert Muller

Danie Gerber in the 80s…..most exciting Danie Gerber

Joost….no question in the 90s….most exciting Bobby Skinstad

Victor Matfield…..in the 00s….most exciting Bryan Habana

Duane Vermeulen…in the 10s….most exciting Cheslin Kolbe

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Aug 2021, 23:42
#5
23 Aug 2021, 23:42#5
Good calls Moz - I think 90’s is spot on
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Aug 2021, 11:17
#6
24 Aug 2021, 11:17#6

Have to agree with Mozart on his list. But   wonder if Naas Botha as the most recognise player and Danie Gerber as the most exciting. Danie Gerber was insanely good outside centre. Probably would have been a great had it not been for isolation

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Aug 2021, 12:06
#7
24 Aug 2021, 12:06#7

Whenever I think of the 80s I think of Naas. It wasn't my time, but looking back on Bok rugby, he stands out that way.

For me Joost was the man of the 90s and Schalk in the 00s. As for the 10s? I'm not sure. Jean was a prominent figure up until 2015, then you have the next gen. I suppose Thor ties those two generations as one of the first names you put down, especially in the latter part of the decade. Some good players, but I can't think of anyone else more fitting.

Going back to the 90s, I was never really convinced by Skinstad. Good player in his prime, no doubt, but not one to stand out in that way for me. Paulse was more exciting to watch for me. That one Bok who you knew was going to do something special. One of my first favourite Boks as a kid was Andre Snyman. The way he ripped England apart in 1997 was especially satisfying for me at a time where I really couldn't stand the Poms and resented being in England. Not an all time Bok, but a player I liked. Bridging generations from 90s and 00s? Probably Percy. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
24 Aug 2021, 12:13
#8
24 Aug 2021, 12:13#8

Fourie Du Preez would have bee n a great in any generation.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Aug 2021, 12:57
#9
24 Aug 2021, 12:57#9

But Os Du Randt is the ultimate memorable player in both 90s and 00s. In his younger days he use to play like an extra loose forward and would never forget how he pretty much carried 5 Ausie players on his back on his way to the try line. 

Jean and Schalc speaks massively about his influence and the players around him. 

Naas wasn't everyones favourite in the 80s unless you are a bulls fan. He use to get teased. Even Leon Schuster use to imitate him, but this guy could play and not just kick. He was criticised for not being  physical enough but doc Craven defended his style of play and said if you were that talented, of course you should do everything to protect yourself. 

So  definitely Naas in the 80s

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Aug 2021, 13:06
#10
24 Aug 2021, 13:06#10

So many great Springboks from the mid to late 1990s . . . apart from the ones mentioned above you can add Andre Joubert, Henry Honiball, Pieter Muller, Andre Venter, Gary Teichmann, Krynauw Otto, Percy Montgomery and Breyton Paulse. 

1997/8 specifically was a golden period for Springbok rugby when we won those 17 consecutive games against all comers including the Wallabies, the All Blacks and all the 6N sides . . . and then coach Nick Mallett bought into all the Bob Skinstad hype and everything turned to crap at the 1999 RWC where we ended up trying to win matches with Jannie de Beer drop kicks. 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Aug 2021, 14:52
#11
24 Aug 2021, 14:52#11
Let’s correct the Skinstad record shall we. In his  first 9 tests, mostly as a sub:
He scored against Wales

He subbed on against NZ and scored a crucial try in our incredible come back.
Came on again against Oz and bamboozled their centres for a try.
Started against Scotland ….try
Started against Ireland…..picks the ball up at the base of the scrum on halfway and runs right through the Irish back division burning them for pace.
So he was a big part of the 17 match streak and scored 5 tries in his first 9 tests…playing off the bench in all but 2 of them. I haven’t checked this but I doubt any other player scored more, even though he only played in 9 of the 17.  A brilliant player who was never the same after his knee injury.



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Aug 2021, 14:59
#12
24 Aug 2021, 14:59#12

"...and then coach Nick Mallett bought into all the Bob Skinstad hype and everything turned to crap at the 1999 RWC..."


In 1999 we got knocked out by the eventual champions...a Larkham drop goal in extra time...and then we beat the Allblacks for bronze...doesn't get any closer than that.

crap? I don't think so.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Aug 2021, 15:06
#13
24 Aug 2021, 15:06#13

I was at that game at Twickenham. The extra time turned on a Jannie de Beer kick to touch that would have put us deep in the Oz 22, but  he just over cooked it by inches.  The Larkham drop was insane, to use a modern term.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Aug 2021, 15:12
#14
24 Aug 2021, 15:12#14

Mallet got sucked into the Brumbies style, and tried to evolve the Boks into a fast rucking side which backfired. 1999 was where we fell behind the advancements in the game, which took a long time to correct, and still needs work. The Aussie defence was by some margin the best in the world and they were leading the arms race in rugby union with their knowledge of structures etc in league. I don't criticise Mallett for what he tried to do, but the implementation was poor and wasn't adapted to South African rugby culture. Jake was the bridge between the two, as evidenced by how well received he was in Australia and his success there. What a missed opportunity that was for the Wallabies!

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Aug 2021, 15:20
#15
24 Aug 2021, 15:20#15
"I haven’t checked this but I doubt any other player scored more"
Wehe, listen to the noob! Maybe you should have checked, dumbo!
How can anyone who watched that team of 1997/8 think that Skinstad might have scored more tries than Pieter Rossouw or Stefan Terblanche? Seriously?
Skinstad wasn't even the top forward scorer. Rassie got 7 tries in that streak. (How embarrassing for Moffie!)
Players who scored more tries than Skinstad during that winning streak include Pieter Rossouw (14), Stefan Terblanche (9), Joost van der Westhuizen (8), Rassie Erasmus (7) and Percy Montgomery (7).
LMAO!
"I doubt any other player scored more"
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Aug 2021, 15:40
#16
24 Aug 2021, 15:40#16
Double Skinstad’s 5 tries to simulate playing in all the tests….and he has 10. Double  it again for playing off the bench in 7 of his 9 tests and he might have scored 20 tries.
Pieter Rossouw scored (14)..….3 of which were in the Wales blow out and most of the rest in the 97 NH blowouts…..hahaha
And I should probably have a higher multiplier for Skinstad’s bench tests.

Schplotttttttt!
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Aug 2021, 15:49
#17
24 Aug 2021, 15:49#17

Wehe, listen to the egg-faced fool now trying to pretend he said something else.

"I doubt any other player scored more"

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Aug 2021, 20:16
#18
24 Aug 2021, 20:16#18

No I said I hadn’t checked….if you are going to quote me, provide the whole quote. Better yet, stay down…..you said:

‘ 1997/8 specifically was a golden period for Springbok rugby when we won those 17 consecutive games against all comers including the Wallabies, the All Blacks and all the 6N sides . . . and then coach Nick Mallett bought into all the Bob Skinstad hype and everything turned to crap at the 1999 RWC ’

……

Implying Skinstad only got involved at the WC. Whereas Skinstad was integral to the last half of the unbeaten streak.


LMAOFY&Y…..you never even remembered he played in the TN. Embarrassing.



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becsPro4,378 posts
24 Aug 2021, 22:21
#19
24 Aug 2021, 22:21#19

No-one can argue with the inclusion of Joost in the 90’s. Such a brilliant player. 

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Aug 2021, 23:02
#20
24 Aug 2021, 23:02#20

I remember watching the 2000 and 2001 Currie Cup finals between the Stormers and Sharks. Epic games. Skinstad was sublime. I think he was a talent that wasn't fully utilised, but he was impactful for the Boks. I think the shift in world rugby, which caught all of South African rugby napping, was largely attributed to one big mistake by Mallett: Selecting Skinstad over Teichmann. It's a gross oversimplification of the problem, and one I sadly bought into as well. By the time the World Cup came around, the Boks were a thing of the past. Rugby changed mightily between 1995 and 1999, the largest shift in standard there has ever been. Mallett's Boks were lauded for that streak, and failed to see the dip in the road. The Bok fans were too pompous to see it too. Something I have brushed shoulders with too many times. Australia were simply the better team by far. Lets look at the centres: Muller and Fleck accumulated 9 and 27 metres; Horan 101 (3 clean breaks, 9 defenders beaten) and Herbert 20. The entire Wallaby backline accumulated 320m, which is almost the total of the entire production of the Bok starting XV! A couple of Boks with a lot of metres (Joost and Rossouw), and even offloads, but they weren't beating anyone and looked blunt. Skinstad was also under-utilised in my opinion. Caught between this shift, playing for a coach who grew increasingly irrelevant and out of his depth in the face of the dawn of this new age. He had skills, vision and athleticism. A complete package. Sadly, Erasmus was the preferred channel to work through. 


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Aug 2021, 00:07
#21
25 Aug 2021, 00:07#21
Bob was an amazing player most skilful attacking forward I have ever seen Had the skills of a class centre
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,232 posts
25 Aug 2021, 00:10
#22
25 Aug 2021, 00:10#22

Skinstad was the most exciting forward to have played the game.
He was unfortunate to get a bad knee injury early on in his career, even sooner than Christian Cullen. 
It may even have been a car crash, not a rugby injury. Even Corne Kriege was in a car injury. 


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Aug 2021, 00:12
#23
25 Aug 2021, 00:12#23

Skinstad was in a motorcycle accident. True, it was a hindrance at the worst possible time. 

CA
CanterburyClub Pro160 posts
25 Aug 2021, 03:00
#24
25 Aug 2021, 03:00#24

Bob was a fw

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Aug 2021, 07:00
#25
25 Aug 2021, 07:00#25
Skinstad 'accident' a mystery


Cape Town - There will be no hard feelings when Justin Marshall and Bob Skinstad meet at Newlands here on Friday night.The former international rugby stars will oppose each other for the first time in several years when they play in Corné Krige's benefit match.
Skinstad, a former Springbok loose forward, will turn out as impact player for Krige's Western Province invitation team. Marshall, a former All Black scrumhalf, will captain the visiting World XV.
There have been rumours for many years that Marshall was responsible, during an altercation in a Cape Town bar, for the knee injury that severely damaged Skinstad's career in 1999.
The official version of the story was that Skinstad tore the ligaments in a car accident.
This week Marshall told Die Burger that he had nothing to hide. "I have always been honest about that incident and I also wrote about it in my book, (Justin Marshall) which was published last year.
"Bobby and I were involved in an argument that evening (after the Stormers had beaten the Crusaders at Newlands) over which team was the best. Tempers flared and he stormed out of the pub. I was definitely not in the car when the accident happened," Marshall said.
"Since then I have met him only a few times. We have never spoken again about that evening and it won't be discussed when we, I hope, have a few beers after the match on Friday night.
"Robbie Fleck (former Springbok centre) and I get along well and I know he and Bobby are best friends. So there is no ill feeling between us."
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Aug 2021, 07:03
#26
25 Aug 2021, 07:03#26


RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Aug 2021, 08:48
#27
25 Aug 2021, 08:48#27
"I doubt any other player scored more, even though he only played in 9 of the 17."
And now . . . "Buh-but you have to double Bob's tries because he only played in 9 of the 17 . . . it's not fair!"

LMAO!
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