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Definitive Bok Player Ratings

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Sept 2012, 10:09
#41
11 Sept 2012, 10:09#41

Requiescat

How - Rank top each year for turnovers conceded
- Rank very highly for penalties conceded
- Rank highly for poor defence
- Why does he struggle to be effective as a ball carrier?
- Why is he a poor scrummager?
- Why is he a poor lineout thrower?do you know about all the above remarks as to Bismarck Du Plessis's performance?

I have been watching games in which Bismarck played and never ever saw turnovers conceded by him - whoi ranked him as turnovers conceded?   Penlties conceded - very active player will at times concede penalties - but why is Bismarck highly rated and by whom?

You must be joking about ball carrying - seriously funny.   Bismarck is very highly rated as a ball-caarier - especially by the opposition.     If what you say can be proved by experts - then it would be serious - but if it is purely manufactured by you - it is a joke. 

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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
11 Sept 2012, 13:33
#42
11 Sept 2012, 13:33#42

 Bismarck Du Plessis..Most respected hooker in the world by none other than his opposition and coaches gets ripped in to by a senseless blogger on SA rugby.. Ha ha that is one view, not your only 1 i might add, that you stand alone on. You are really not rugby smart. If it were up to you, the boks would be made up of club players like vulindlu and the likes...Very silly...

Lambie has never been shy of contact and is really effective at breaking the line and punches well above his weigh on defence. Stop bringing up isolated instances where he may have missed a tackle because the kid is only human.

No one said Goosen is a god. We all believe he is the future and and is the best 10 we have in the country. You make out that we all think he should have turned the game around in 9 mins. Ha ha dont be foolish. He too will have his "bad" games from time to time but we are sick of watching Morne constantly underperform and we believe Goosen or Lambie would do a whole lot better. 

Alberts has not just had 1 good game for the Boks. He has been solid in almost every game he has played and outstanding in most of them.

You really need to stop speaking shit to get a reaction because your views are not sane! I cant believe someone as insignificant as you can question a great like Bismarck. Ludicrous!

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
11 Sept 2012, 14:15
#43
11 Sept 2012, 14:15#43

Problems with Bismarck

Ball Carrying
Of all the South African forwards that have ever played over the last twenty-two years, none have been more stiff backed than Bismarck. I bemoan our poor footwork and body position going into contact, and here Bismarck is a chief culprit. How effective is a ball carrier if he goes into contact straight backed and on the weak foot,  Carrying the ball in the wrong arm? Bismarck is a naturally very strong person, but a highly technically flawed player. He very often loses the ball in contact or gets turned over once he gets knocked backwards. He averages about one big run every few games with little outcome. Usually against small backline players in broken play when he doesn't have an organized defence to smash into. Watch any game Bismarck has ever played, you will see this. Bismarck ended this years Super XV with 40 turnovers, yes, that's right, 40 turnovers!! Top of the pile.

Defence

Bismarck's very upright body position has severely hampered his lateral defence and head on defence. Against England, in the first test, Bismarck was simply bowled over! He is more often than not left wrong footed and completely gased. Jake White exploited this weakness and left Bismarck with a total of 100% missed tackles against the Brumbies. Not the only coach to spot this. He can hit hard if he lines you up, but that is not very often at all, even less so when it isn't a cheap shot. And of all South African players Bismark is the dirtiest player. Several times crumbling under little pressure and conceding stupid penalties via ugly face attacks right next to refs. Nice. He did it in the win over Samoa last year, very fortunate not to get pinged for that. This is by far the biggest contribution to the game from him.

Set Pieces

Bismarck has never been a good scrummager, and furthermore he has never ever sorted out his poor lineout throws. As said before, Bismarck is a very technically flawed player. A typical Saffer that got through the age groups with natural strength, and never had to learn to do the basics well. In senior rugby? He has been found wanting.

All in all, there is no area where Bismarck gives us an advantage over anyone. Georgia and Romania have easily had the best hookers for all of the last decade, Argentina and Italy have had fantastic hookers. France have two very fine hookers, Szarzewski completely bamboozling Bismarck on three occasions. Australia's Moore looks a good prospect right now too. And even if Bismarck had the attributes, it all would count for nought anyway. His exceptionally poor temperament and anger problem always surfaces when he doesn't get his own way. In tight tests he throws a strop and has no problems swearing at refs and playing cheap shots out of spite. This player is a little brat, and now that Smit is no longer there to hide behind he has been royaly exposed for the substandard player and person that he really is. How anyone can look up to this person truly beggars belief. He belongs in the ranks of Luke Watson, Danny Grewcock, and the Islanders as filthy, cheap, arrogant and flawed players. What a world of difference the media makes, and they love nothing more than to hype up the Shark's rejects.

As I say again, how can you possibly expect me to rate this player when he has all of these issues? He is the farthest thing from the best hooker in the world. He hasn't even been the best in South Africa! It's quite insulting to be expected to turn a blind eye to all of these facts because some stupid flabby Kiwi who knows stuff all - apparantly Frans kicks far because of Nasa technology on his boots, Yes, nice one Fitz! - about what's going on in the game.


 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Sept 2012, 14:19
#44
11 Sept 2012, 14:19#44

Very refreshing to hear a poster swimming against the tide on issues.

As to Bissie I think he is the best in the world but each to his own opinion. Its how we disagree that matters. I am assured that Card is NOT stupid and concludes on matters after due consideration. The conclusions might be different to what passes for conventional knowledge. I recall how way out some on another board were and that some folk there could not bear to hear another point of view from outside that was actually widely held in the rugby community.  Its useful to be thrown a curve ball at times.

What I am saying is make space for those who hold what might be thought to be odd views. Lets not castigate someone too harshly who has the guts to speak his mind and hold the line against all comers. Agree to disagree. Also there are a number of points where there is agreement and where Card has shown insight. Response to what he posts should acknowledge that as well.

Live and let live and keep a sense of humour. Whether I think Bissie is the greatest or if Card doesnt - actually changes little - Bissie  will be back when fit. So the stakes are not high! Opinons are only that. Sometimes right and sometimes wrong - so what. Its what we discusss. Lift the debate and play the ball not the man a bit more. Banter all you like but lets not get hateful etc.

Thus spake Beeno the Wise  - who needs to do what he says - hahahahahahahaha

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Sept 2012, 14:23
#45
11 Sept 2012, 14:23#45

Please note this thread has generated 43 responses in just over a day. That is because there has been a lot of interest in what has been said.

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Sept 2012, 02:31
#46
12 Sept 2012, 02:31#46

talk about throwing curve balls, ben10 posted something that made sense??? o_O
 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,301 posts
12 Sept 2012, 04:00
#47
12 Sept 2012, 04:00#47

 since Beeno's avitar has been the smug looking Jake White, beeno has become the astute intellect! he he. The soundboard of reason.

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