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Doctrine of invasion

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Sept 2015, 08:11
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12 Sept 2015, 08:11#1
The trouble is know so little about Isalm. I received this today:

New post on Now The End Begins

WARNING: Obama Tells US To Get Ready For 10,000 Hardcore Muslim Migrants From Syria

by Geoffrey GriderPresident Barack Obama has directed his administration to prepare to take in at least 10,000 Syrian refugees next year, a White House spokesman said on Thursday.

"And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians." Daniel 5:24-28 (KJV)

Washington, DC - As the nightly news continues to broadcast the horrors of the Muslim invasion in Europe, in America US President Barack Hussein Obama warns that 10,000 Syrian "refugees" are coming.  The number reflects a "significant scaling up" of the U.S. commitment to accept refugees from the war-torn country and to provide for their basic needs, White House press secretary Josh Earnest.( So this means that you can soon expect what is now crippling Europe to hit us here in the US as well. Obama is importing ISIS terrorists by the boatload, and you never even got to vote on it. Truly, the handwriting is on the wall, America is finished.

Hijrah is the Islamic doctrine of migration, which is a form of stealth jihad.

Muslim expert and author Robert Spencer wrote Sept. 4 in Front Page Magazine, “This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis.’ This is a hijrah.”

HIJRAH IS THE ISLAMIC DOCTRINE OF MIGRATION, WHICH IS A FORM OF STEALTH JIHAD.

To emigrate in the cause of Allah – that is, to move to a new land in order to bring Islam there, is considered in Islam to be a highly meritorious act,” Spencer wrote. He cited the following Quranic text:

“And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many locations and abundance,” says the Quran. “And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him, his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful” Quran 4:100

Illegal Muslim migrants shouting "Allah Akbar" in Hungary

Do you want to see what Ayatollah Obama is bringing to the streets of America? This is what happened when the Muslim migrants reached Hungary, watch it and weep:

America, that is what is coming to every major city and every sleepy little town across our land. Muslims filling our streets, shouting "Allahu Ackbar!", and killing in the name of their moon god. This is how the Obama government will use Muslims to implode this nation from the inside out.

Here is what happened when the Muslim migrants reached Greece:

Muslim Migrants marching to Germany:

America is being pulled down, we believe, in judgment from Almighty God for our national sins. The very fabric our nation is being torn apart, the landscape changing never to return to the way it was. Obama the Destroyer is carrying out his grand assigment, and nothing shall stop him his appointed task.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Sept 2015, 08:12
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12 Sept 2015, 08:12#2
 The mind boggles at the folly on display. Surely they understand the consequneces?
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
12 Sept 2015, 08:32
#3
12 Sept 2015, 08:32#3
 
Madness!!!

No way I'd allow these maniacs anywhere near my borders!!

Does Obama have an agenda perhaps??

Is he the Antichrist like so many would like to think?

I read somewhere that he was raised as a Muslim. How true that is I'm not sure.

Interesting times we live in.

For all we know the rapture could be upon us!!






CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Sept 2015, 09:02
#4
12 Sept 2015, 09:02#4
Beeno
Let me put it straight - I get the same kind of daily news  and opinion reports from organisations in the US and most of it is not worth reading.  I do not necessarily believe that the above is just not anti-Obama propaganda by extreme Right Wing organisations.      
It is likely that amongst the refugees there are elements who are ISIS plants  and that those are going to set up cells in the countries receiving them.  After all thousands of ISIS supporters are from Western Countries already - so that is nothing new.  That spells massive security problems for recipient countries and is likely to result in a backlash against the liberal and socialist governments in charge of those countries.   For instance if an election is held today in France for instance it is very likely that Marie Le Penn' s French National Party will win such an election.
Not all Muslims are ISIS supporters - I have many Muslim friends and they are just ordinary people looking after their families and family interests.    

However, it is not only Europe that has a refugee invasion - the same things happened in South East Asia - eg Australia, Thailand and Malaysia - and the inflow of people from South and Central America into the US.       

I read a book by a Frenchman years ago of an invasion of France by a million Indians taking over France without any resistance by taking over ships in India - crowding on and setting sail for France.   It looks like this is the case in Europe too, accept in this case the people are not taking over ships - they just use small craft to get into Western Europe and walk the rest of the way.   
However, whichever way we look at at - it represents a major problem for Western Europe and it is already on the cards that most of the settlers who went in previously - ie for instance from Kosovo - are already on the repatriation list of for instance Germany, if they come from countries where there is no war situation and they are what European Governments regard as "economic migrants".
However, the European Governments together with the US brought the present situation onto themselves by starting wars and revolutions in Mid-East countries and then did not finish the job.   They created the instability - now they get the results.  I watched the one video with when I saw the refugees shouting "Allah Akbar", I was horrified.   I know the religious meaning - but that slogan has become the war cry of extremists and holding onto a flag (not the Syrian national flag) - the usage of that cry under those circumstances was totally problematic  - with major problems in future.     
        
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
12 Sept 2015, 12:33
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12 Sept 2015, 12:33#5
 the answers to the blinded anti-muslim propaganda posted here, using no evidence or facts at all but some selected paragraphs of the Coran (exactly the same could have been done selecting paragraphs of the Bible which is as violent as the Coran), are mainly from point19 on and specially points 24, 25 and 26 (but to better understand them is worthy to read the first 19 points).

Twenty-six Things About the Islamic State (ISIL) that Obama Does Not Want You to Know About


The Islamic State (ISIS) was until 2014 called al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI).

Al Nusra is an al Qaeda affiliate which has committed countless atrocities in Syria.  It is now considered by the Obama administration as the “Moderate Opposition”. 

America’s “anti-terrorist campaign’ consists in supporting a so-called “moderate” Al  Qaeda entity (Al Nusra)  with a view to going after another al Qaeda entity entitled The Islamic State, formerly designated as Al Qaeda in Iraq.  

“Al Qaeda is going after Al Qaeda”, and both wings of al Qaeda are supported covertly by US intelligence. 

Both ISIS and Al Nusra are protected by the Western military alliance. Both Al Qaeda entities are used to destroy Syria and Iraq. The air campaign allegedly against ISIS does not target ISIS, it targets Syria and Iraq, schools, hospitals, factories, residential areas, government buildings, roads, bridges, etc.

According to the Washington Street Journal, the Islamic State Has Tripled Its Territory In Syria Since U.S. Started Airstrikes

Both Al Qaeda affiliated entities are being used to destroy Iraq and Syria as nation states.



In this article, we address 26 concepts which refute the big lie.  Portrayed by the media as a humanitarian undertaking, this large scale military operation directed against Syria and Iraq has resulted in countless civilian deaths.

It could not have been undertaken without the unbending support of  the Western media which has upheld Obama’s initiative as a counter-terrorism operation. 


THE HISTORICAL ORIGINS OF AL QAEDA


1. The US has supported Al Qaeda and its affiliated organizations for almost half a century since the heyday of the Soviet Afghan war. 


2. CIA training camps were set up in Pakistan.  In the ten year period from 1982 to 1992, some 35,000 jihadists from 43 Islamic countries were recruited by the CIA to fight in the Afghan jihad.

“Advertisements, paid for from CIA funds, were placed in newspapers and newsletters around the world offering inducements and motivations to join the Jihad.”


3. Since the Reagan Administration, Washington has supported the Islamic terror network.

Ronald Reagan called the terrorists “freedom fighters”. The US supplied weapons to the Islamic brigades.  It was all for “a good cause”: fighting the Soviet Union and regime change, leading to the demise of a secular government in Afghanistan.


Ronald Reagan meets Afghan Mujahideen Commanders at the White House in 1985 (Reagan Archives)


4. Jihadist textbooks  were  published by the University of Nebraska. “. “The United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings”


5. Osama bin Laden, America’s bogyman and founder of Al Qaeda was recruited by the CIA in 1979 at the very outset of the US sponsored jihadist war against Afghanistan . He was 22 years old and was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp.



THE ISLAMIC STATE (ISIL)


6. The Islamic State (ISIL) was originally an Al Qaeda affiliated entity created by US intelligence with the support of Britain’s MI6, Israel’s Mossad, Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Saudi Arabia’s General Intelligence Presidency (GIP).


7. The ISIL brigades were involved in the US-NATO supported insurgency in Syria directed against the government of  Bashar al Assad.


8.  NATO and the Turkish High Command were responsible for the recruitment of ISIL and Al Nusrah mercenaries from the outset of the Syrian insurgency in March 2011. According to Israeli intelligence sources, this initiative consisted in:


“a campaign to enlist thousands of Muslim volunteers in Middle East countries and the Muslim world to fight alongside the Syrian rebels. The Turkish army would house these volunteers, train them and secure their passage into Syria. (DEBKAfile, NATO to give rebels anti-tank weapons, August 14, 2011.)


Many of the fighters and arms of the ISIL came from Libia where a US Congress Comission, The independent Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi, found that the Obama White House and the State Department implemented "a policy of facilitating the delivery of weapons to the al-Qaida-dominated rebel militias in Libya attempting to oust Moammar Gadhafi"

“The result in Libya, across much of North Africa, and beyond has been utter chaos, disruption of Libya’s oil industry, the spread of dangerous weapons (including surface-to-air missiles), and the empowerment of jihadist organizations like Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.”

“After Gadhafi is deposed and Christopher Stevens was appointed U.S. ambassador to Libya, the flow of weapons reverses. Now Stevens has the job of overseeing the shipment of arms from Libya to Syria to arm the rebels fighting Assad, some of whom ultimately become al-Nusra in Syria and some become ISIS.”
"Stevens was working with Turkey to ship weapons out of Libya into Syria for the use of the rebels fighting Assad" when he was killed in the attack on the Benghazi compound, Sept. 11, 2012.


The Islamic State is protected by the US and its allies. If they had wanted to eliminate the Islamic State brigades, they could have “carpet” bombed their convoys of Toyota pickup trucks when they crossed the desert from Syria into Iraq in June. 


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The  Syro-Arabian Desert is open territory (see map below). With state of the art jet fighter aircraft (F15, F22 Raptor, CF-18) it would have been  -from a military standpoint-  a rapid and expedient surgical operation  


9.There are Western Special Forces and Western intelligence operatives within the ranks of the ISIL. British Special Forces and MI6 have been involved in training jihadist rebels in Syria.


10. Western military specialists on contract to the Pentagon have trained the terrorists in the use of chemical weapons.

“The United States and some European allies are using defense contractors to train Syrian rebels on how to secure chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria, a senior U.S. official and several senior diplomats told CNN Sunday. ( CNN Report, December 9, 2012)


11. The ISIL’s practice of beheadings is part of the US sponsored terrorist training programs implemented in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.


12. Recruited by America’s ally, a large number of ISIL mercenaries are convicted criminals released from Saudi prisons on condition they join the ISIL. Saudi death row inmates were recruited to join the terror brigades. 


13. Israel  has supported  the ISIL and Al Nusrah brigades out of the Golan Heights.

Jihadist fighters have met Israeli IDF officers as well as Prime Minister Netanyahu. The IDF top brass tacitly acknowledges that “global jihad elements inside Syria” [ISIL and Al Nusrah] are supported by Israel. See  image below:


“Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Moshe Ya’alon next to a wounded mercenary, Israeli military field hospital at the occupied Golan Heights’ border with Syria, 18 February 2014?



SYRIA AND IRAQ


14 The ISIL are the foot soldiers  of the Western military alliance. Their unspoken mandate is to wreck havoc and destruction in Syria and Iraq, acting on behalf of their US sponsors.


15. US Senator John McCain has met up with jihadist terrorist leaders in Syria. (see picture right)


16  The Islamic State (IS) militia, which is currently the alleged target of  a US-NATO bombing campaign under a “counter-terrorism” mandate, continues to be supported covertly by the US.  Washington and its allies continue to provide military aid to the Islamic State.


17. US and allied bombings are not targeting the ISIL, they are bombing the economic infrastructure of Iraq and Syria including factories and oil refineries.


18.  The IS caliphate project is part of a longstanding US foreign policy agenda to carve up Iraq and Syria into separate territories: A Sunni Islamist Caliphate, an Arab Shia Republic, a Republic of Kurdistan.


THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM (GWOT)


19. “The Global War on Terrorism” (GWOT) is presented as a “Clash of Civilizations”, a war between competing values and religions, when in reality it is an outright war of conquest, guided by strategic and economic objectives.


20 U.S. sponsored Al Qaeda terror brigades (covertly supported by Western intelligence) have been deployed in Mali, Niger, Nigeria, the Central African Republic, Somalia and Yemen.

These various affiliated Al Qaeda entities in the Middle East, sub-Saharan Africa  and Asia are CIA sponsored “intelligence assets”. They are used by Washington to wreck havoc,  create internal conflicts and destabilize sovereign countries.


21 Boko Haram in Nigeria, Al Shabab in Somalia, the Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) (supported by NATO in 2011),  Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM),  Jemaah Islamiah (JI) in Indonesia,  among other Al Qaeda affiliated groups are supported covertly by Western intelligence.


22. The US is also supporting Al Qaeda affiliated terrorist organizations in the Xinjiang Uighur autonomous region of China.


HOMEGROWN TERRORISTS


23 The Terrorists R Us:  While the US is the unspoken architect of the Islamic State,  Obama’s holy mandate is to protect America against ISIL attacks.


24 The homegrown terrorist threat is a fabrication.  It is promoted by Western governments and the media with a view to repealing civil liberties and installing a police state. The terror warnings are used to create an atmosphere of fear and intimidation.

In turn, the arrests, trials and sentences of “Islamic terrorists” sustain the legitimacy of America’s Homeland Security State and law enforcement apparatus, which has become increasingly militarized.


The ultimate objective is to instill in the minds of millions of Americans that the enemy is real and the U.S. Administration will protect the lives of its citizens.


25.  The “counter-terrorism” campaign against the Islamic State has contributed to the demonization of Muslims, who in the eyes of Western public opinion are increasingly  associated with the jihadists.


26  Anybody who dares to question the validity of the “Global War on Terrorism” is branded a terrorist and subjected to the anti-terrorist laws.

The ultimate objective of the “Global War on Terrorism” is to subdue the citizens, totally depoliticize social life in America, prevent people from thinking and conceptualizing, from analyzing facts and challenging the legitimacy of the inquisitorial social order which rules America.

The Obama Administration has imposed a consensus with the support of its allies, not to mention the complicit role of the United Nations Security Council.  The Western media has embraced the consensus; it has described the Islamic State as an independent entity, an outside enemy which threatens the Western World.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Sept 2015, 14:02
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12 Sept 2015, 14:02#6

I still have my World Trade Center security pass and it's a reminder to me of what could have happened and what did happen. I was scheduled for a Board meeting in the Towers a week later. Many NY firemen and policemen gave their lives that day. I see the US police are vi lified elsewhere on the Board today....they stood tall on 9/11.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Sept 2015, 14:17
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12 Sept 2015, 14:17#7
 Mozart
I am delighted that meeting you were scheduled to have had in the World Trade center did not take place a week earlier - we would have missed you on this site.   That obviously because your antiquated rugby ideas is a source for sheer delight on this site and for constant efforts to correct you.    
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Sept 2015, 14:19
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12 Sept 2015, 14:19#8
 APF
I am nit anti-Islam - I am fairly liberal - but I am against extremism on every side.    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Sept 2015, 14:29
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12 Sept 2015, 14:29#9

Our offices were below the critical floors. Most of our people got out although some were lost. One very brave man managed the exit of employees, went back for a last time  and paid with his life. Police and fire fighters were running into the buildings as they collapsed. Ordinary civilians acted with the determination of soldiers. It was a terrible day, but a great one for showcasing human courage in the face of danger. That spirit can never be defeated.

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
12 Sept 2015, 14:41
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12 Sept 2015, 14:41#10
 @mike,
did I reproduce or write something in favour of any extremism, in this case of the jihadists?
Not at all, they are criminals whose only aim is to create havoc and terror in the biggest posible way perpetraiting the worst atrocities one can imagine.
All what I'm saying is that they were created, trained and funded by the western intelligence agencies, specially the diferent US agencies. And there are multiple proves of it, some of them in the article posted above.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Sept 2015, 14:51
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12 Sept 2015, 14:51#11
 ABF
Sorry about the misunderstanding.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Sept 2015, 18:20
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12 Sept 2015, 18:20#12
To understand what is at play take alook at this ( found athttp://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101  )

As we have seen, contrary to the widespread insistence that true Islam is pacific even if a handful of its adherents are violent, the Islamic sources make clear that engaging in violence against non-Muslims is a central and indispensable principle to Islam. Islam is less a personal faith than a political ideology that exists in a fundamental and permanent state of war with non-Islamic civilizations, cultures, and individuals. The Islamic holy texts outline a social, governmental, and economic system for all mankind.

Those cultures and individuals who do not submit to Islamic governance exist in an ipso facto state of rebellion with Allah and must be forcibly brought into submission. The misbegotten term “Islamo-fascism” is wholly redundant: Islam itself is a kind of fascism that achieves its full and proper form only when it assumes the powers of the state.

The spectacular acts of Islamic terrorism in the late 20th and early 21st centuries are but the most recent manifestation of a global war of conquest that Islam has been waging since the days of the Prophet Muhammad in the 7th Century AD and that continues apace today. This is the simple, glaring truth that is staring the world today in the face — and which has stared it in the face numerous times in the past — but which it seems few today are willing to contemplate.

It is important to realize that we have been talking about Islam — not Islamic “fundamentalism,” “extremism,” “fanaticism,” “Islamo-fascism,” or “Islamism,” but Islam proper, Islam in its orthodox form as it has been understood and practiced by right-believing Muslims from the time of Muhammad to the present. The mounting episodes of Islamic terrorism in the late 20th and early 21st centuries are due largely to the geostrategic changes following the end of the Cold War and the growing technical options available to terrorists.

With the collapse of Soviet hegemony over much of the Muslim world, coupled with the burgeoning wealth of the Muslim oil-producing countries, the Muslim world increasingly possesses the freedom and means to support jihad around the globe. In short, the reason that Muslims are once again waging war against the non-Muslim world is because they can.

It is paramount to note, however, that, even if no major terrorist attack ever occurs on Western soil again, Islam still poses a mortal danger to the West. A halt to terrorism would simply mean a change in Islam’s tactics — perhaps indicating a longer-term approach that would allow Muslim immigration and higher birth rates to bring Islam closer to victory before the next round of violence. It cannot be overemphasized that Muslim terrorism is a symptom of Islam that may increase or decrease in intensity while Islam proper remains permanently hostile.

Muhammad Taqi Partovi Samzevari, in his “Future of the Islamic Movement” (1986), sums up the Islamic worldview.

Our own Prophet … was a general, a statesman, an administrator, an economist, a jurist and a first-class manager all in one. … In the Qur’an’s historic vision Allah’s support and the revolutionary struggle of the people must come together, so that Satanic rulers are brought down and put to death. A people that is not prepared to kill and to die in order to create a just society cannot expect any support from Allah. The Almighty has promised us that the day will come when the whole of mankind will live united under the banner of Islam, when the sign of the Crescent, the symbol of Muhammad, will be supreme everywhere.But that day must be hastened through our Jihad, through our readiness to offer our lives and to shed the unclean blood of those who do not see the light brought from the Heavens by Muhammad in his mi’raj {“nocturnal voyages to the ‘court’ of Allah”}. … It is Allah who puts the gun in our hand. But we cannot expect Him to pull the trigger as well simply because we are faint-hearted.

It must be emphasized that all of the analysis provided here derives from the Islamic sources themselves and is not the product of critical Western scholarship. (Indeed, most modern Western scholarship of Islam is hardly “critical” in any meaningful sense.) It is Islam’s self-interpretation that necessitates and glorifies violence, not any foreign interpretation of it.

One wonders whether herein lies the reasons for world war 3?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Sept 2015, 19:10
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12 Sept 2015, 19:10#13
 ab ass you dont seem to understand that Islam has its own agenda and its found in the quoran and in comments made by islamists. 
That is what is central and what is driving this.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
12 Sept 2015, 19:35
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12 Sept 2015, 19:35#14
Armeggedon....big things are starting to happen...I'm very grateful I've accepted Christ as a propriation for my sin... not good news for those who reject Him
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Sept 2015, 19:37
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12 Sept 2015, 19:37#15
 Agreed its as if they have been blinded and simply cant see.
Hence also the madness of allowing these invaders in dispite knowing very well the dangers. Blinding folly.
They simple have no idea of what they are up against. 
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
12 Sept 2015, 19:52
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12 Sept 2015, 19:52#16
 

"Muhammad Taqi Partovi Samzevari, in his “Future of the Islamic Movement” (1986), sums up the Islamic worldview.


Our own Prophet … was a general, a statesman, an administrator, an economist, a jurist and a first-class manager all in one. … In the Qur’an’s historic vision Allah’s support and the revolutionary struggle of the people must come together, so that Satanic rulers are brought down and put to death. A people that is not prepared to kill and to die in order to create a just society cannot expect any support from Allah. The Almighty has promised us that the day will come when the whole of mankind will live united under the banner of Islam, when the sign of the Crescent, the symbol of Muhammad, will be supreme everywhere.But that day must be hastened through our Jihad, through our readiness to offer our lives and to shed the unclean blood of those who do not see the light brought from the Heavens by Muhammad in his mi’raj {“nocturnal voyages to the ‘court’ of Allah”}. … It is Allah who puts the gun in our hand. But we cannot expect Him to pull the trigger as well simply because we are faint-hearted."


If we change Allah into God and Muhammad into Jesus, we have exactly the same BS that you usually post here.

Nobody denies that there are islam fundamentalist (as fundamentalist as you are) who make their own and violent interpretation of the Coran but they are a very small minority (as minority are the christians fundamentalists who believe that what the Bible says is historically true and hence that the dinosaurs cohabited with humans).


The regime that has spread these violent interpretations is the closest ally of the US in the world after Israel, the Saud regime. They spread the most retrograde and violent interpetration of the Islam, the wahhabism.

Since 1974 and with the support of the all the diferent US presidents they have spent millions in building mosques and coranic schools out of their country. Only btwin 1982 and 2002 they built 1.500 mosques, 200 coranic centers and 2.000 islamic schools. These are the pools of the jihadists.


The ideology of the Saudi regime is that of ISIS even if the foreign policies differ,” California State University-Stanislaus Professor Asad AbuKhalil tells The Progressive.


“Al Qaeda, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, Boko Haram, the Shabab and others are all violent Sunni Salafi groupings,” Ed Husain of the Council on Foreign Relations recently wrote in the New York Times. “For five decades, Saudi Arabia has been the official sponsor of Sunni Salafism [another term for Wahhabism] across the globe.”


Such entities “have been lavishly supported by the Saudi government, which has appointed emissaries to its embassies in Muslim countries who proselytize for Salafism,” he adds.



But this is alien to the vast majority of muslims


AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
12 Sept 2015, 19:59
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12 Sept 2015, 19:59#17
 mozart....I am as sorry about the WTC today as I was on the day it happened.
But if we do not cut off the heads of these turds now once and for all we are going to struggle to live in peace forever.
The only thing they understand is war.
No country should allow these guys permanent residence and they should all be repatriated with their off spring and spouse's asap.
Tough to implement with our liberal politicians but change is required now.
Time is running out.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Sept 2015, 20:00
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12 Sept 2015, 20:00#18
But Basque thinks there is no difference between Islam and Christianity. You can't make up this kind of quantum ignorance. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Sept 2015, 20:08
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12 Sept 2015, 20:08#19
 Ab ass has no clue whatsoever!!! This is a seriously confused oak. Unless of course he is a muslim?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Sept 2015, 20:10
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12 Sept 2015, 20:10#20
 ab ass why are all these US Presidents supporting Islam? Honest question.
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
12 Sept 2015, 20:13
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12 Sept 2015, 20:13#21
 We all know why Osama Obama is.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Sept 2015, 20:19
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12 Sept 2015, 20:19#22
To me its looks like they have their ow n centuries old goals based on the quoran. It could play out is different ways. 
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
12 Sept 2015, 20:38
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12 Sept 2015, 20:38#23
 Ua uuh, the bigot brigade arrives!
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
12 Sept 2015, 20:40
#24
12 Sept 2015, 20:40#24
"why are all these US Presidents supporting Islam? Honest question."

they are not supportting the Islam, they are supportting the Saud regime and the wahhabism. And the answer is very easy: oil
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Sept 2015, 20:41
#25
12 Sept 2015, 20:41#25
Instead of bleating away ab ass  plainticvelyhow about answering my honest question. Maybe you have something and some real evidence or whatever.

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
12 Sept 2015, 21:02
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12 Sept 2015, 21:02#26
What's the bet Beeno has never even met a Muslim in his life.
These kind of broad brush generalisations where you class all Muslims as terrorists is about as ignorant as classing all white South Africans as small minded xenophobic bigotted racists.  Sadly there's more evidence of the latter than the former of this thread with Beeno leading the charge.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
12 Sept 2015, 21:06
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12 Sept 2015, 21:06#27
 WTF are you babbling?????
are you so blunt that you cannot get that oil is the most important resource in this world? Energy, man, without energy the current societiies collapse. Control the oil sources and contro l the world. That's what the US is doing whatever the means necessary. Irak's blockade (1.500.000 deaths, 500.000of them children), Irak's war (at least another 1.000.000 deaths), Libia, Siria, Sudan, South Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc. etc., etc.
It's quite simple.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Sept 2015, 22:09
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12 Sept 2015, 22:09#28
Nonsense....there has never been any interest by the US in controlling oil. The US has gone into the Middle East twice....once when Iraq occupied Kuwait another sovereign nation and the second time, mistakenly,  to pursue the terror concerns spawned by 9/11.  There has never been an attempt to physically control the oil. The US has always been willing  to buy the product on the open market.

And as far as knowing Muslims are concerned, chaps  from the Cape with a large Muslim population know these people better than most. Many Stormers players are Muslims....nothing wrong with them as individuals.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Sept 2015, 00:15
#29
13 Sept 2015, 00:15#29
What ou ab ass is missing is that the USA is self reliant on oil and becoming an exporter.  Seems we ahve a fanatic here who hates the USA. Now who do you know that hates the USA the most. Hmmmmmm.
Correct Moz and I am doing business with one family righ now. We have a number here in the Cape.   Pooooo ie lands in the dwang again!



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Sept 2015, 01:27
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13 Sept 2015, 01:27#30
On a personal basis South Africans handle different backgrounds with ease....living with different cultures is a daily occurrence.  
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
13 Sept 2015, 05:09
#31
13 Sept 2015, 05:09#31
 And yet you seem to think the first thing on these Syrian refugees minds is to bomb the sh!t out of the countries taking them in.  Beeno I don't mind saying that based on the material you post up on here you make a pretty poor excuse for a Christian.
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
13 Sept 2015, 05:11
#32
13 Sept 2015, 05:11#32
 How did you handle those different cultures during Apartheid again Mozart?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Sept 2015, 05:59
#33
13 Sept 2015, 05:59#33
 I do not think that all Muslims are the same - their are serious differences between the Muslims in perceptions and ideology as well.  You get Shi'aSunniDruzeIsma'iliteAlawite/Nusayri - the latter being an off-shoot of the Shi'a philosophy.   There is deadly enmity between the Shi'a and Sunni Muslim population groupings.   
The Major Sunni countries are -
Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the Gulf States -  with majority groupings in Syria
The major Shi'a country is Iran and some of the ex-Soviet Union republics
Saddam Hussain was a Shi'a and so are the Houthis in Yemen - so they were regarded as deadly enemies by the Saudi's.  The present situation in Syria, Iraq and Yemen is the direct result of inter-religious warfare between the Sunni on the one hand and the Shi'a on the other hand.
The Sunni's have spawned various organizations like Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram and Al Shabaah - which are basically all fighting for supremacy in the countries where they are active in.   
It is a fact that the closest allies of the US in the Arab world is Saudi-Arabia who are funding all the above organisations - so it is normal to accept that if their is not active collaboration between certain US institutions with those organisations - as frequently alleged - their is at least some connivance with the Saudi's.
Mozart mentioned 9/11 - but there never was a link between any Shi'a countries and religious groupings and that attack on the US - all links were with the Sunni's.  In the case of Kuwait - a Shi'a dictator invaded Kuwait - who is a Sunni country - and the result was involvement of the US as an ally in the first Iraq War.  America is also in opposition to the Assad regime - Assad being an Alawite.
Both Iraq wars were based on either the hatred of the Saudi's of Hussain as a Shi'a ruler by the Saudi's and/or the interests of the Bush family in the oil industry.   The fact is that propaganda of weapons of mass destruction was spawned by the US Government as a reason for entry into the Second Iraq War.  It was in fact all based on a lie and the result was catastrophic insofar as stability in the Middle-East is concerned.
As long as the US are close allies of the Saudi's and the Egyptians - the present situation of war between the Sunni and the Shi'a will continue, with the US factually fighting on the side of the Sunni's and their various off-shoots (Al Qaida, ISIS, etc.).     ABF is in many respects correct in what he wrote - the US may not profess it openly, but their alliance with the Saudi's are indisputable fact.
The uprising in Syria against Assad started off as a rebellion of the Sunni's against the Alawite regime and was supported by the Saudi's and hence by the USA.   Most of the Syrian population is Sunni and consequently most of the refugees flooding into Europe are Sunni and ideologically linked to the Sunni offshoots mentioned.  A seriously dangerous problem for Europe in future.  
              
               

    
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
13 Sept 2015, 11:48
#34
13 Sept 2015, 11:48#34
 @moz,

"Nonsense....there has never been any interest by the US in controlling oil."

this is the most stupid statement one can read.
where do you live? mars or may be pluton?

Since the late 70's and after the oil crash, the US established what later was called the Carter Doctrine, written by Zbigniew Brzezinski it states:

"Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force."

since then every US National Security Strategy has reaffirm or even reinforced it.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Sept 2015, 12:00
#35
13 Sept 2015, 12:00#35
The essential question here is what is driving ISIS, invasions, bombings, terror as practised by muslims. It would appear its their belief system based on teh teachings of the quoran. 
This article clearly indicates that. It is also apparent that they have a very long term plan. To combat all this you have to understand what they believe. It is here that there is much ignorance, dangerous ignorance. However the wo rld is waking up slowly.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Sept 2015, 12:04
#36
13 Sept 2015, 12:04#36
 ab ass of course the USA doesnt want Russia etc to control the middle east. But that does not equate to the USA controlling the middle east. Middle east oil is sold all around the world. The USA has no desire to stop that flow. In itself it also no longer needs that oil.
Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your hatred of the USA is blinding you to the obvious. 
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
13 Sept 2015, 12:12
#37
13 Sept 2015, 12:12#37
 Mr. Been,

"What ou ab ass is missing is that the USA is self reliant on oil and becoming an exporter."

From the US Energy Information Administration

The top 10 largest net importers1 of oil2 in 2012 (million barrels per day ):

United States 7.39 Japan 4.66 China 4.50 South Korea 2.24 India 2.20 Germany 2.16 France 1.63 Singapore 1.31 Italy 1.16 Spain 1.16

1 Net imports equals imports minus exports.
2 Oil includes crude oil, all other petroleum liquids, and biofuels.


from the same source, the UIS prodction/consumption:


yearproductionconsumption 19808,597.0017,056.00 19818,572.0016,058.00 19828,649.0015,296.00 19838,688.0015,231.00 19848,879.0015,725.62 19858,971.0015,726.42 19868,680.0016,280.63 19878,349.1416,665.05 19888,140.0017,283.31 19897,613.0017,325.15 19907,355.3116,988.49 19917,416.5516,713.84 19927,171.1217,032.86 19936,846.6717,236.73 19946,661.5817,718.16 19956,559.6417,724.59 19966,464.5218,308.90 19976,451.5918,620.30 19986,251.8318,917.14 19995,881.4619,519.33 20005,821.6019,701.08 20015,801.4019,648.71 20025,744.0819,761.30 20035,649.2420,033.51 20045,440.9220,731.15 20055,181.5220,802.16 20065,087.8720,687.42 20075,076.9820,680.38 20085,000.0619,497.96 20095,349.8318,771.40 20105,481.8719,180.13 20115,644.7918,882.07 20126,496.7018,490.21 20137,441.4918,961.13
please, inform yourself before showing up your ignorance in this way
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Sept 2015, 12:27
#38
13 Sept 2015, 12:27#38
 ABF
Mozart is a fool who believes what the US propaganda machine and politicos spills - hence the statement as quoted.   The US interest is served by the oil trade being conducted in dollars as well.   If any other currency is used the world - flooded by dollars printed by the US Government - would lose all their value.   
Funny that you mention the Carter doctrine.  Carter I believed was the President who tied up the US with the Saudi's and connived with them to get rid of the Shah of Iran who at the time was the Supreme political leader of the Shia Muslim population in the Middle East - thinking that the successor regime would be manageable.   That was the first reactionary regime in the ME and it caused havoc in the Region. 
They then did a deal with Iraq to wage war against Iran to destabilize the resultant regime - but when it suited them they turned on Saddam Hussein as well.
The Bush family fortune was based on the oil industry and Condoleezza Rice was so involved that there even was and is an oil tanker called Condoleezza.   That is the true state of affairs.   If any fool thinks that the US is such an innocent player in the world, he should have his head read - there is only one think the US Governments is interested in - it is to control the world economy by all means imaginable.  
The whole system is to support the US dollar after printing trillions of dollars and the majority of which is held outside of the US by creditors.   That situation allows the US Government to spent trillions which they do not have and it is just covered by printing more dollars.  If the oil trade is conducted in any other currency, the house of cards will collapse and so will the US internal economy.   The main oil producers must always be in league with the US and use dollars as a trade of oil - or the situation could get out of hand.  The control is the reason for undermining leaders who - like in the case of for instance oil-producing Russia, Venezuela and Iran - is not compliant with US foreign policy on the production of oil.   
     
     

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
13 Sept 2015, 12:27
#39
13 Sept 2015, 12:27#39
 So you all post BS like:

"America, that is what is coming to every major city and every sleepy little town across our land. Muslims filling our streets, shouting "Allahu Ackbar!", and killing in the name of their moon god." Mr. Been

"No way I'd allow these maniacs anywhere near my borders!!" Cleancut

"the Islamic sources make clear that engaging in violence against non-Muslims is a central and indispensable principle to Islam. Islam is less a personal faith than a political ideology that exists in a fundamental and permanent state of war with non-Islamic civilizations, cultures, and individuals." Mr. Been

"if we do not cut off the heads of these turds now once and for all we are going to struggle to live in peace forever." Arthur John


but then you came with the opposite BS to hide your racism and xenophobia:

"And as far as knowing Muslims are concerned, chaps  from the Cape with a large Muslim population know these people better than most. Many Stormers players are Muslims....nothing wrong with them as individuals." moz

"Correct Moz and I am doing business with one family righ now."

BUNCH OF BIGOTS!!!!!!!!!
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
13 Sept 2015, 12:40
#40
13 Sept 2015, 12:40#40
 Mr. Been,

"The essential question here is what is driving ISIS, invasions, bombings, terror as practised by muslims. It would appear its their belief system based on teh teachings of the quoran. 
This article clearly indicates that."

which article? the one that you posted that was written by a fanatic xenophobe and racist like you yourself? the article that shows zero evidences or facts but uses selected paragraphs of the Coran?
exactly the same conclussions can be extracted from selected paragraphs of the Bible

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