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Does Rassie finally know what his best team is?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 Sept 2025, 11:43
#1
14 Sept 2025, 11:43#1

Let's get the variables out of the way first...


1) Early in the game the ABs were called for cheating at the lineout - closing the gap wasn't allowed this week and we had more success there.


2) The Bok forwards did a better job at the ruck.


3) Scrums were more competently reffed with more accurate calls than last week.


For me, those were the three biggest differences that did not come down to selections - granted this week's pack was slightly different to last week's and that had a touch of impact at ruck time(Wiese)


How does one briefly summarise the difference between last week's and this week's Boks?


For me, compounding advantage through linking correctly, taking chances on offer and showing the maturity to take calculated risks, is how I'd sum it up - the try that Willemse made being a prime example as he ran beautifully into space, drew defenders, timed his pass to Williams to perfection with "guess who" being there to finishing it off.


In the forward pack we started with Jasper and ended up "starting with RG" due to Lood breaking down. Could one argue that the simple addition of those two players is what so drastically changed the pack's fortunes? Probably. RG was immense for all 70 minutes that he was on the field and Jasper is just Jasper - no nonsense, powerful, efficient and flawless in the everything he does(probably my favourite Bok forward right now). How Dave still doesn't rate Jasper is a testament to the level of plonker that he is. "But I love a play making 8...even though that's what we had last week and got punished for it."


So there was a difference up front, a better platform. One would struggle to argue that.


But as we all know, the big changes were at the back.


There are those of us that have been bemoaning the absolute failure of the Boks to drive forward advantage home through intelligent and skilful back play as our biggest long term failure. You can literally go back years on this forum and read threads by various posters complaining about exactly this issue. Saying things like "Why play 3, 6, 9 rugby when you have all the personnel to compound the seemingly unlimited forward dominance and be the Brazil of rugby" - I'm looking at you Moz. From King, to Pakie, Moz and more...we have been asking this question for years. Years and years.


And the answer that we kept getting back from Plonkerville was "We is a kicking team wot keep va ball up front and we smash because we is hulks." You might laugh, but when Dawie talks about DDA playing to a "plan" and Rassie being a genius, he's telling you that we play smash rugby and we don't need to play any other kind...and Rassie is king and Rassie knows everything - IE he condones it.


Roll on these two games between the Boks and ABs. The first game, Rassie goes back to Stampkar rugby and picks a side most capable of that. The Boks get monstered, they floundered and they failed to snatch a once-in-a-lifetime chance to destroy a long-standing record. They were predictable, unimaginative and uninspiring, and they'll always rue the chance that they let slip.


Make no mistake, Rassie thought that the team he picked last week was his best side. Out of all the games this year, that was the one that he would want to win the most. That's the one all Bok fans, and probably players, also wanted the most to win. You can be 100% certain of the fact that the team that ran out last week was the one, after years of musical chairs selections and "testing of combinations", Rassie honestly thought was his best side.


The Boks lost. What did Rassie do?


He didn't slightly adjust. He didn't gently tap the gyroscope with the back end of a screwdriver. He brought in a player that would always have been at 8 were he not banned for French kissing a Georgian girl and he decided that it may perhaps be a good idea to give the world's form lock a run...thank God Lood took a knock and RG played 70 minutes.


Rassie basically swapped out the entire backline. He finally picked the players who are more skilful, more intelligent, and all around more capable. The backs that many of us have been writing down here as our BIP picks for probably at least 3 years now.


The rest is history.


But we are left with a massive question...


How is it possible that Rassie, up to at least yesterday, was that clueless as to what his best side was?


After an international playing career and then a coaching career that has been even longer than that, and the almost two years of experimenting with combinations...how is it possible that the Mad King could not see what was that obvious to so many of us laymen?


...and the final question;


Does Rassie now, finally, after two years, understand what his best team is?


And the final final question...


Spazzy Dave somehow thinks AE, having been a Bok for 7 or so years now, being in his prime and playing Godlike rugby, is not worth keeping. Let's leave Dave's nonsense where it belongs for a moment and ask, have the rest of us reached a consensus on what we feel our best side is?


Honestly I feel like it's beyond any doubt that this point.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Sept 2025, 13:57
#2
14 Sept 2025, 13:57#2

Plum

I watched the game again to see what "godlike" AE did and I will give his breakdoiwn in full:


  1. Carried the ball twice into a crasball situation gaining very little territory over te gain line.
  2. Passed the ball twice.
  3. Scored a try made for him by Willemse and Williams .
  4. Made in total 4 tackles


He played for 43 minutes and that performance was not godlike at all - it is very very average - better than he did in the past - but he still is a fringe player with very little creative and thinking rugby in evidence.



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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Sept 2025, 14:01
#3
14 Sept 2025, 14:01#3

Yep Mike that’s about it - he was good but he is not Willemse

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Sept 2025, 14:25
#4
14 Sept 2025, 14:25#4

I’ll tell you what his best side is


15 Fassi


14 Kolbe


13 Moodie


12 Willemse


11 Arendse


10 Sacha


9 Williams


1 Ox


2 Marx


3 Wilco


4 Eben


5 RG


6 Kolisi


7 PSDT


8 Wiese


16 Wessels 17 Steenkamp 18 Thomas 19 Cobus Wiese 20 Kwagga 21 vd Bergh 22 Pollard 23 Hooker

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Sept 2025, 16:07
#5
14 Sept 2025, 16:07#5

Hey Uncle Mike, Please share your source to the Forum, as to where you found those stats for AE??? So we can all see for ourselves!!

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Sept 2025, 16:40
#6
14 Sept 2025, 16:40#6

Rassie has a better idea than anyone else on this board...regardless of their delusions.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
14 Sept 2025, 16:43
#7
14 Sept 2025, 16:43#7

AE problem is that he is not a Stormers player plain and simple.

Talk about being blind, some of these bloggers are more concerned about having a full Stormers 15 represent SA that they are to see the best 15 team on the field.

Pity.

Reminds me of the time that Mallet dropped Gary Teichman and made a Stormers player the Springbok Captain, we all know what happened to the Springboks winning streak in NZ.


It came to a screaming halt.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Sept 2025, 16:48
#8
14 Sept 2025, 16:48#8

No Draad apparently Rassie is a shit coach according to the planks on here


And of course PSDT is shit

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Sept 2025, 16:51
#9
14 Sept 2025, 16:51#9

What the fuck has the Stormers got to do with anything?


Fuck me the only Stormers in the squad are Willemse, Sacha and Libbok


What an ignorant call

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Sept 2025, 17:09
#10
14 Sept 2025, 17:09#10

Maaaik posted Saaiman stats. Here are the real stats for Esterhozen.


Got the ball 11 times….passed 5 times….ran 6 times….made 34 metres….beat 4 defenders.

Translating he ran and passed evenly. Given he averaged almost 6 metres a run, I’m guessing he got over the advantage line almost every time. Moreover he beat a tackle 4 out of 6 runs. If he ran 11 runs as Dud did last week chances are he’d have beaten 7 or 8 tackles.


Willemse beat 6 tackles in 14 runs yesterday and is rightly praised for his creativity….Esternozen beat 4 tackles in 6 runs. And is dismissed by Dave and lied about by Saaiman.





MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Sept 2025, 17:14
#11
14 Sept 2025, 17:14#11

Plum is spot on Dr Lucky played his high conviction team last week….and the Tony team this week. Turns out the Tony team were way better. we have wasted years of great talent squeezing out narrow, ugly wins when we could have been playing the beautiful game.


We have been the equivalent of Italy in soccer, whereas we could have been Brazil


i hope we now have the courage to play the role we are destined to play. Think big, think great!


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Sept 2025, 17:23
#12
14 Sept 2025, 17:23#12

I’m not dismissing AE he was good - nothing spectacular - his was all about power play which is his DNA


That long pass to Kolbe was great


My point is that Willemse is just a better rugby player, is far more creative, is younger and proved yesterday that he is worth investing in at 12


AE is too old. Why replace DA with a 31 year old when you have a 27 year old you had a sensational game at 12 yesterday. It makes zero sense


We have already replaced Malherbe and Koch with 30 year olds. Do we want to get to the next WC having to rebuild again because we are investing in 31 year olds now?


Would only make sense if we had no younger options available to us which is clearly not the case


AE was good yesterday but Willemse was far better and that’s a fact. Hooker showed up well as did Moodie so these guys are the ones we need to invest in fully now along with obvious calls like Sacha, Williams, Fassi, Libbok and vd Bergh


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Sept 2025, 17:35
#13
14 Sept 2025, 17:35#13

Last weeks conditions was atrocious.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Sept 2025, 02:58
#14
15 Sept 2025, 02:58#14

All t he above can be summarized as Mozart shit. Tell me Mozart how lon g was the run of Esterhuizen in gifted a try by Willemse and Williams. The only defence was the AB scrummie w ho missed his tackle, Rgr neabs all the other carries Mozart claimed was les than 14 meters per total carry.




MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2025, 03:43
#15
15 Sept 2025, 03:43#15

Wrong again…Esterhozen knocked Beauden Barrett onto his back. Those numbers aren’t sucked out of my thumb like your’s…they come from ESPN.


Your bs may have worked in local government, it cuts no mustard here. Tell the truth and if you don’t know the truth, cork it.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Sept 2025, 03:54
#16
15 Sept 2025, 03:54#16

Si I dd nto includr he one carry leading tot eh gifted try and made a mistake in that. I looked at the other carries as well/ In scoring of his try h e did not beat Jorsdie he beat a tackle arrempot by the scrummie. When did Esterhuizen knocked Barrett knock on his back?


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2025, 04:09
#17
15 Sept 2025, 04:09#17

Actually he beat Beauden Barrett who he knocked on his back…..I thought it was Jordie, but on review it’s Beauden. The other player who got there too late was Parker.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Sept 2025, 11:17
#18
15 Sept 2025, 11:17#18

"Last weeks conditions was atrocious."


Both teams played in the same conditions.


Last week's performance by the Boks was archaic and ugly.


We've always had a suepr car parked in the garage and this Saturday we took it out for a spin. And the Kiwis ate out dust.


Time to park the stampkar.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2025, 12:27
#19
15 Sept 2025, 12:27#19

You can’t play running rugby in the rain - helloooooo

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