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Don't expect World Cup hints in Jo'burg By Chris Rattue NZ Herald

Started by Just_win8 REPLIES188 VIEWS· 22 Jul 2015, 21:36
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Jul 2015, 21:36
#1
22 Jul 2015, 21:36#1

Look out for the dirty tricks brigade at Ellis Park on Sunday morning. What you see is unlikely to be what you are going to get.

Now you might see it, and now you don't in a World Cup year. Only the coaches will know the extent to which they are NOT putting everything on show. Preparing for a World Cup involves hiding tactics in plain sight. No team will throw the kitchen sink at a lead up test strategy wise.

Lineout drives are the topic of the week, but the game could be a different story. The two rugby powerhouses might even chuck in a few dummy moves to throw their big World Cup opponents off the scent. Even the selections will be clouded in World Cup subterfuge.

This is not just a tactic reserved for the highest echelons. I've heard of Super Rugby teams using dummy tactics in pre-season games. This being a World Cup year, we're still in the pre-season. In the long run, no one will care what happens this Sunday like most people can hardly recall what happened in the first half of 2011.

Stephen Donald's ill-fitting jersey is more famous than the standard issue 2011 tests.

Getting combinations and cohesion to optimum level is vital, but revealing exactly what you will do with that unity is another matter.

Many are picking a lineout drive onslaught from South Africa. Even if the 'Boks turn the heat on the All Blacks lineout, they are unlikely to fully show their hand, instead keeping plenty of powder dry for the Webb Ellis Cup tournament. They may have a few dabs, and then put it away. Come a World Cup showdown, they could spend much of the game trying to engage the All Black lineout.

There is no team in international rugby like the All Blacks in regarding winning every test as vital. Try as we might to see a bigger picture, the New Zealand public regards winning every test as a right. All Black fans might say something different before a test match, but following a loss all hell can break loose. Expectations have been built up, habits die hard.

The team has a culture of winning they can't ignore. No other team - not even South Africa - views it quite the same way. But even the All Blacks won't sacrifice World Cup glory for the sake of victory in a test like this.

The All Blacks are clearly smarting after the Argentina test because their lineout defence was so abysmal on two occasions against the muscular Pumas. Getting dealt to by an opposing pack hurts the pride. Lock Brodie Retallick told the press pack in Johannesburg it was obvious what a training emphasis would involve this week.

"We need to stop them getting the forward momentum," said Retallick.

"Argentina rolled around in front of us - we didn't adapt. If we can hit it, get it moving backwards while keeping it square, hopefully they've got no option but to play the ball from the back of the maul.

"It is something we've got to adapt to on the run, which is not easy to do. Teams like the Brumbies or Argentina who can do it well...it's pretty hard to stop."

Assistant coach Ian Foster was open about being evasive when it came to midfield selections. There are a lot of options, he said, but we all know that. Foster said the rash of offloads against Argentina would not necessarily continue, that the All Blacks wanted to tighten up that area without inhibiting the players. The offloads would only come if the platform was laid.

If there was one thing that could be taken away from this press conference it is that the selectors are impressed with the comeback of Tawera Kerr-Barlow, who has been playing for New Zealand Maori. By the sounds of it, Chiefs No. 9 Kerr-Barlow - sidelined for most of this season - is firming as the third World Cup halfback ahead of underwhelming journeyman Andy Ellis. Or is he?

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jul 2015, 21:39
#2
22 Jul 2015, 21:39#2
 There is no team in international rugby like the All Blacks in regarding winning every test as vital. Try as we might to see a bigger picture, the New Zealand public regards winning every test as a right. All Black fans might say something different before a test match, but following a loss all hell can break loose. Expectations have been built up, habits die hard.
Is this the root cause of bent refs?
Both sides will do what they can to win.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Jul 2015, 21:41
#3
22 Jul 2015, 21:41#3
 Yes, ploys & counter ploys. Maybe Matfield is not injured, maybe the Steyn's are starters, maybe Alberts really is ready or maybe the Boks will bring in a swath of youngster
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jul 2015, 21:42
#4
22 Jul 2015, 21:42#4
 But even the All Blacks won't sacrifice World Cup glory for the sake of victory in a test like this.
THIS SOUNDS LIKE A VERY EARLY EXCUSE. HAHAHHAHAHA
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Jul 2015, 21:46
#5
22 Jul 2015, 21:46#5
 Err Beeno, Chris Ratue is a pommy (expletive deleted) so I doubt it is an early kiwi excuse.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jul 2015, 22:01
#6
22 Jul 2015, 22:01#6
Trace his ancestory JW there is  kiwi ring about him. Interesting name chris rat ou!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Jul 2015, 22:10
#7
22 Jul 2015, 22:10#7
We can agree on your interpretation of Chris' name, he is a bit of a rat & not very popular in NZ from what I can gather.
I do agree with him on the fact that all national teams will be trying out their players & what we see may not be what we get.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jul 2015, 22:19
#8
22 Jul 2015, 22:19#8
 Seems an entertaining sort JW - look at this one he wrote

Dan Carter is the mouse who roared by rugby standards. HAHAHAHAHAHA

The 2015 season has got off to a flying start with Carter, our best No 10 ever, not only opening his mouth but saying something logical and interesting that the people who nominally employ him won't necessarily agree with. Carter basically went public with what the players had told the franchise about a proposed match in Fiji and it worked judging by the subsequent decision by the Crusaders to scrap the idea.

Any sort of free speech is such a rarity in New Zealand rugby that it is not only worth celebrating, but also encouraging in the forlorn hope others will dare to follow.

Not since the days of Justin Marshall and Tana Umaga - and those days are quite some time ago - have leading All Blacks or anybody else had anything to say worth listening to. BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

Apart from self-serving moaning about referees, normally in the form of a search for consistency that pretends the whinger has rugby's interests at heart, we get zilch. A lot of what we get sounds as if it was prepared by someone else on a whiteboard. It's almost a relief to hear a genuine opinion.  HAHAHAHAHA THIS EXPLAINS WHY WARPED DUD IS SO BRAIN CELL WASHED

The only exception that comes to mind is Zac Guildford who, having been chucked out of the inner circle because of his addiction issues, criticised the money-obsessed NZRU on a couple of issues.

That was nearly two years ago and we've been treated to the normal golly-gosh diatribe since, of proud players, special moments and wonderful team-mates.

If there was something more substantial around all of that, then okay. But when that is all you get, it dawdles in one ear and hurtles out the other. HEHEHEHEHE

New Zealand rugby personalities, to use the term very loosely, hide behind the game's stony-faced traditions, team-first modesty, employment law, judicial conveniences, PR lackeys and anything else they can get their hands on. This has got worse in the professional age, a result being that tribalism and fiery rivalries, the absolute essence of great sport, have virtually disappeared apart from at test level where traditional foes still stir the public interest.

Player A could stamp all over Player B, organise a robbery of his home, steal away with his wife and short circuit his model railway and Player B would put out a press release saying he had learned from the experience and was moving forward.

Central control - the dear old NZRU - set these mind-numbing standards, although All Blacks coach Steve Hansen's dry observations have put a little dent in the mould, without actually breaking it. By world events, Carter hasn't said all that much but, by the New Zealand rugby credo, the genius footballer with a retiring personality has turned into rent-a-mouth.

What did he do? Carter urged the Crusaders board to listen to the players and abandon plans to play a Super Rugby match against the Hurricanes in Fiji. Carter said the franchise should pay more respect to local fans and schedule the game in Nelson, while the Fiji trip would hurt the Crusaders' chances of winning the title.

Hallelujah. And how easy was that to do, Dan? And everyone else? And, wow, players actually talk about issues, without being told what to think. Could have fooled us on that.

Of course, the Crusaders aren't actually Carter's boss. Under the central contract system, he belongs to the NZRU and it is a brave player indeed who would go up against those control freaks. But we can still be thankful for this small mercy.

WHICH GETS US BACK TO LOADING ETC.


WHAT A PECULIAR LOT THE KIWIS ARE!!!!



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Jul 2015, 22:43
#9
22 Jul 2015, 22:43#9
 Beeno, all kiwi teams are loaded. Only the Blues did poorly in s15 & they have talent just poor coaching. Cloudy & the Blues will be back fighting for a playoff spot soon.
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