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Eat Nonu Crow 1...Vetsak Dave

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 05:18
#1
12 Nov 2015, 05:18#1
You asked me to prove you are a liar....here you go:
In August 2014 you posted this:
"At 12 the kiwi s have nonu and crotty. Nonu is on a par with Jean both past it. Serfontein  is on tour but not being used. He is better than Jean, nonu and crotty."
But this week  in response to a question about your support for Nonu you said this:


RE: maa nonu, best 12 NZ has ever had???
November 08, 2015, 18:09:02

Nope have always been a huge Nonu fan you have me confused with someone else. Jean was good in his day but at their best Nonu was better....was more of an attacking threat. 


In fact you weren't always a huge Nonu fan, you thought he was past it in 2014 and said Stepfontein was better. Embarrassing I know but conclusive. I'll send you the Tokkie Crow recipe book if you like twat.

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WardadPro6,663 posts
12 Nov 2015, 06:23
#2
12 Nov 2015, 06:23#2
 We copped heaps from Wallabies fans over the last few years droning on about how all our senior ABs were too old or slow or past their peak . Last laugh and all that I guess.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
12 Nov 2015, 06:26
#3
12 Nov 2015, 06:26#3
 I would however eat Cheryl Crow .......[ looks over shoulder ] ....hehehehe.....
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Nov 2015, 06:35
#4
12 Nov 2015, 06:35#4
What a farce - you talk KAK as a matter of routine.  The best thing that happened to you is the way you found out how to retrieve  about what members wrote in the past.  That you use to dig up things on members you do not like because they differ from you.
You are a real dunce - an idiot who fail to understand that people comments on specific matces or series of matches.   Nonu had a spotty history in Super 15 playing for the Blues  in 2014 and he was poor in the 2015 RC match against the Springboks.   However, as a result Dave did comment about him in 2014 - he never wrote about him insofar as the RWC squad is concerned - other than to say that in the case of the NZ squad selection was on the basis of performance - nothing else - and that relates to Nonu as well.
Where he and I differed from you was your thoroughly wrong and disproved allegation that the Springbok vets were selected on the same performance basis.   They definitely were not.   
      
 
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
12 Nov 2015, 08:14
#5
12 Nov 2015, 08:14#5
...and we have four odd months of this before Super Rugby kicks off again!!!
Moz, Dave was wrong about Nonu being past it, as can clearly be seen by Nonu's performance at the World Cup. However, he did not look nearly as good a year ago as he does now. More importantly, saying a player is past it, does NOT mean one is not a fan of that player! Two very different things! I am a huge fan of Andre Joubert, but that does not mean I want him back at fullback for the Boks! 
 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Nov 2015, 08:29
#6
12 Nov 2015, 08:29#6
bluebok, you're assuming Moffie has any interest in discussing the merits of Ma'a Nonu as a rugby player. He doesn't. All Moffie is interested in is bullying, belittling and demeaning other posters in his typically sneering and condescending manner while trying to get his Servile Gimps  to gush and fawn over his laughably poor rugby knowledge.

You've been around long enough to know this.
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
12 Nov 2015, 08:32
#7
12 Nov 2015, 08:32#7
Rooi, I am just poking the fire really! Now you have made me out my motives!! 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Nov 2015, 08:53
#8
12 Nov 2015, 08:53#8
I don't think this fire needs much more poking, bluebok . . . unless of course you think there aren't enough "you-said-i-said-no-you-said" threads on the page.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Nov 2015, 08:59
#9
12 Nov 2015, 08:59#9
 Rooinek
The problem is that Mozart does not know when a player performs well in games and when he did not perform well enough.  He base all his arguments on one incident in one match and forget totally about a players performance during that match or in matches the rest of the year.  When that goes missing - his routine campaign is augmented by lies to prove what he believes is a way to denigrate players he dislikes and promote players he likes.  
His knowledge about rugby is 1/10 - his bragging about his achievements in life is 12/10.  
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
12 Nov 2015, 09:39
#10
12 Nov 2015, 09:39#10
 Retrieving old posts?  Ever heard of Google you daft old bag of $hit
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WardadPro6,663 posts
12 Nov 2015, 10:12
#11
12 Nov 2015, 10:12#11
 Who Poi-e who is da crazy old bag a shizz ? Theres so many ter chose from !
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Nov 2015, 11:05
#12
12 Nov 2015, 11:05#12

Moffie where in that post do I say that Nonu is weak, poor or bog ordinary you fucking halfwit? Saying a player is past it is no reflection on how good he was you fucking idiot......even a 5 year old could tell you that.


Fuck how stupid are you.....you keep telling us what a wonderfully educated man you are - bullshit, you are a fucking liar.......no-one with a degree could be this stupid.


So kindly point out where I have lied you dunce  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Nov 2015, 11:33
#13
12 Nov 2015, 11:33#13
 Dave
Remember you are dealing with a total backstabber here.  In Mozart's book none of his favourite players are past it - so to say that about a player shows what he believes hatred or at le ast dislike of that player.   Mozart remains Mozart - he will use anything he can to make other posters look bad - but the member always ending up with egg all over him is himself.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Nov 2015, 12:22
#14
12 Nov 2015, 12:22#14

Yeah you have to love the fact that past it equates with how good a player was in this clowns eyes - talk about exposing yourself as a complete fool - educated man my arse.


Nonu in the season leading up to the WC, was average - hence my past it comment - much the same as Jean and Matfield being past it.  


Fucking stupid

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 15:39
#15
12 Nov 2015, 15:39#15
" Nope I have AlWAYS  been a HUGE Nonu fan" ...hahaha. Rumpole has Dave on the ropes....explain always and huge Vetsak.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 16:02
#16
12 Nov 2015, 16:02#16
 December 2014 Vetsak




For a start, our centre pairing is as good and potentially better than any other test side out there.......NZ have two old men in Nonu and Smith, with Fikato a real hot prospect and the return of SBW for how long really......so we will give NZ the edge for now......but they have no class young 12's coming through. If Crotty is the best then that proves my point.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Nov 2015, 16:09
#17
12 Nov 2015, 16:09#17

So Moffie with your infinite wisdom, given the topic was about Nonu being the best 12 the AB's have ever had, in effect taking into account his rugby career as a whole - are you saying that because I said he was NOW past it, that therefore I NEVER rated him?


Are you seriously this stupid? My arse are you an educated man.......which lucky packet did you get your degree out of.


I have always been a huge fan of Nonu you old fart, just like I have of Jean and Matfield.......the fact that these two are well past it does not detract from the fact that they were great players and I was a huge fan.


We are talking about Nonu as the best AB 12 ever you idiot.......that's based on his whole career - get it?


Now kindly provide the evidence of me lying about Nonu you sad excuse for brains.


Go take a nap coffin dodger, you are making a fool of yourself.......Dave on the ropes.......what a bloody joke.


Where did you buy your degree from huh? Not only are you thick, you back losers like Meyer etc.......you must have been a real asset to your team!!!!!!!!!!!!   

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becsPro4,378 posts
12 Nov 2015, 16:25
#18
12 Nov 2015, 16:25#18
 Oh no, Saffex rated him highly, I can tell you !! 
What I won't tell you is the things he said to me during the telling off he gave me when I disagreed with his assessment of him a few years back As you know, he can be a bit brutal.....and he is with me too !! 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 16:26
#19
12 Nov 2015, 16:26#19
 Nobody said you never rated him Humungous....you on the other hand claim you "always" rated him. The truth is you haven't "always" rated him....way back in 2012 you never rated him
Of the international centres playing, none stand out in the fashion that say a young O'Driscoll did. The Kiwi's have Nonu, Smith and SBW, Oz have Ashely-Cooper, Barnes, Faingaa, Harris, McCabe and Tapuai, France have Rougerie, Mermoz, David, Fritz and Fofana, the English have Barritt, Tuilagi and Joseph, the Welsh have Roberts, Davies and Williams and the Irish have O'Driscoll, D'Arcy and Earls. SBW stood out with his physicality and offload - for the rest, its much of a muchness. The Kiwi centres shine a little more thanks to the winning brand of rugby the team plays as a whole, but lets face it, Nonu at times struggled in 2012 with many calls for his head . Conrad Smith is an intelligent, instinctive player who like Fourie finds himself in the right place at the right time, but one would hardly describe him as a world beating centre.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 16:31
#20
12 Nov 2015, 16:31#20
 Here's another 2012 post diminishing Nonu and expressing saying SBW is better
 which international 12 does that huh? - McCabe, Nonu - the best exponent of inside centre play this year was SBW, a player who took contact and perfected the art of the offload.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Nov 2015, 16:38
#21
12 Nov 2015, 16:38#21
 Mozart lets get it straight - Nonu's problem always was that he moved from one Super 15 franchise to another and wherever he went he caused hassles and in the main under-performed regularly.   As far as I can remember at one stage he was with the Blues, the next year with the Highlanders (who did not want to retain him and there was a threat of joblessness) then the Blues again and this year with the Hurricanes.   He never was very popular with any of the franchises.
He regularly perform better in tests - but also had some games where he was not good at all - the most prominent of those was in the latest RC test against SA.   


 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 16:38
#22
12 Nov 2015, 16:38#22
More
 Frans is far better than Barritt, Darcy, McCabe and Roberts for a start and a player like Nonu is no better. There are no French 12's of note either
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 16:43
#23
12 Nov 2015, 16:43#23
 Saffex
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 14438RE: What is required from Centers
January 20, 2013, 15:58:40

Crap provide specific answers not wild generalisations. Using Nonu is pretty poor example given his season was so poor that he only stayed in the AB side because SBW left. Many were calling for Nonu's head.

 

Provide examples of what I asked for or shut up - I need specific direction as to the period of play you refer to and examples of centres other than AB's for my contention is that you are speaking [removed] - its easy enough to disprove just provide the evidence, its that simple




Okay





Saffex
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 14438RE: What is required from Centers
January 20, 2013, 15:58:40

Crap provide specific answers not wild generalisations. Using Nonu is pretty poor example given his season was so poor that he only stayed in the AB side because SBW left. Many were calling for Nonu's head.

 

Provide examples of what I asked for or shut up - I need specific direction as to the period of play you refer to and examples of centres other than AB's for my contention is that you are speaking [removed] - its easy enough to disprove just provide the evidence, its that simple


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Shall I repeat it again....or is it totally clear. From 2012 you preferred SBW to Nonu. You frequently referred to Nonu's poor form. By 2014 he was "old man Nonu"
The fact is far from "always" rating him...you mostly didn't rate him.
Case closed.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Nov 2015, 16:45
#24
12 Nov 2015, 16:45#24
 Frans is absolute BS - not a centers ass.  He is the only player on Super 15 level to be called "no center at all" by his coach and was piss-poor since his return from France.  Because you cannot evaluate player performances - you come up with sheer junk as was the case with your latest remark.  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 17:06
#25
12 Nov 2015, 17:06#25
Shuttup Pervert that was me quoting Dave you moron  
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
12 Nov 2015, 17:32
#26
12 Nov 2015, 17:32#26
The crow pie has long been eaten...Die Woesteyn Jakkals finished it with relish...no roast leg of lamb for you old sport.

Incidentally waar is die jakkals van die woesteyn...must be "ver in die ou Kalahari" and lamenting and singing his blues

Dog goes woof
Cat goes meow
Bird goes tweet
and mouse goes squeek

Cow goes moo
Frog goes croak
and the elephant goes toot

Ducks say quack
and fish go blub
and the seal goes ow ow ow ow ow

But theres one sound
That no one knows
What does the fox say?

Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
What the fox say?

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Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!
Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!
What the fox say?

Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!
Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!
Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!
What the fox say?

Joff-tchoff-tchoffo-tchoffo-tchoff!
Tchoff-tchoff-tchoffo-tchoffo-tchoff!
Joff-tchoff-tchoffo-tchoffo-tchoff!
What the fox say?

Big blue eyes
Pointy nose
Chasing mice
and digging holes

Tiny paws
Up the hill
Suddenly youre standing still

Your fur is red
So beautiful
Like an angel in disguise

But if you meet
a friendly horse
Will you communicate by
mo-o-o-o-orse?
mo-o-o-o-orse?
mo-o-o-o-orse?

How will you speak to that
ho-o-o-o-orse?
ho-o-o-o-orse?
ho-o-o-o-orse?
What does the fox say?

Jacha-chacha-chacha-chow!
Chacha-chacha-chacha-chow!
Chacha-chacha-chacha-chow!
What the fox say?

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What the fox say?

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Woo-oo-oo-ooo!
What does the fox say?

The secret of the fox
Ancient mystery
Somewhere deep in the woods
I know youre hiding
What is your sound?
Will we ever know?
Will always be a mystery
What do you say?

Youre my guardian angel
Hiding in the woods
What is your sound?

(Fox Sings)
Wa-wa-way-do Wub-wid-bid-dum-way-do Wa-wa-way-do

Will we ever know?

(Fox Sings)
Bay-budabud-dum-bam

I want to

(Fox sings)
Mama-dum-day-do

I want to
I want to know!

(Fox sings)
Abay-ba-da bum-bum bay-do



Honourable lawyer man ...he say...case closed!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Nov 2015, 17:39
#27
12 Nov 2015, 17:39#27

Moffie you keep confirming just how stupid you are.......find a single post where I don't rate Nonu.......a dip in form has stuff all to do with his credentials as a player. I have ALWAYS rated him......at no point have I said anything to the contrary as my historic posts confirm you profoundly stupid man.......but you keep digging old fart you might just eventually come to realise what a complete fool you are making of yourself.


You will find I have always been a huge Frans and SBW fan, as I have Nonu.


But kindly point out where I have said Nonu was poor/weak/bog ordinary or had butter fingers......actually find me a single post that has me saying I don't rate him.


I have certainly not claimed that any other AB 12 is great other than Nonu and SBW, was never a big fan of Little......so it was pretty easy for me to conclude that Nonu was possibly their best 12 ever......only SBW could challenge, but that would be unfair as he has not played enough Union to merit toppling Nonu.


Try again coffin dodger, your attempts are pretty pathetic.......to think you sat there trying to dig up some evidence on my Nonu takes when I could have saved you the bother dipshit.......I have always rated Nonu, he is a class act......I know who I rate and the last thing I need is some ignorant twat like yourself telling me otherwise.


What a pathetically weak effort Moffie, how embarrassing - to think you actually brought yourself to post that......do you have no shame at how stupid you look - obviously not.


Now try again old man.......keep digging your hole......bwhaaahaaaaaa owned for the umpteenth time.......poor old fool.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 17:54
#28
12 Nov 2015, 17:54#28
Yep we are right back to the .."I would bet against doesn't mean I thought they would lose"... stuff. 

Look Moron you thought Serfontein is better was better than Nonu. Only a rugby illiterate would think that. Man the rubbish I came across on this search....impassioned support of Whitehead.....blind support for Taute as a test centre....and of course all those negative posts on Nonu.

Your problem is you have never understood what makes for a test centre....and so we have the long sad history of Barrett, Olivier, Whitehead, JJ, Taute, Stepfontein and now Allende/Kriel.
None of those chaps succeeded....in the meantime you run down test ecialists like Jean and Nonu as "old men". Childish.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Nov 2015, 18:47
#29
12 Nov 2015, 18:47#29
 Mozart
The two youngsters you constantly demonize played exactly 3 games as a center pair before the WC and in the WC itself they had another 4 games together.  You have no idea about what happens in backline play and your comments that Fransie is a top class center and De Allende and Kriel are not is what anybody knowing rugby would say is crazy.   
Fransie over the last three season was the worst center performance-wise of any other center in SA Super 15 franchises .   
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Nov 2015, 19:04
#30
12 Nov 2015, 19:04#30

No Moffie you fucking waste of space, what your pathetic little witch hunt produced was sweet stuff all, at no point did I ever have anything negative to say about Nonu you lying twat......players dip in form as Nonu has at times, but at NO point have I said he was poor/ weak or the likes.......I have said nothing negative about him you lying scumbag.


You are fucking filth as you lie and when brought to task you expose yourself for the idiot you are. Given how fucking useless you are my guess is that all the crap you have bragged about on the various sites over the years is a bunch of lies......no one would invest in a lying twat who spends his life backing losers.


Now while on the subject kindly provide us with evidence of my impassioned support of Whitehead......I liked him at one point but hardly went to town on him.....sounds about as accurate as the lies you threw my way regarding Werner Kruger.


I stand by my take on the very impressive Serfontein......aged 22 he still has a full career ahead of him......at that age Nonu and Jean had achieved less.


I stand by my take on Taute, when he was selected he was a quality player and by far our best 13 that year, far, far better than useless de Jongh who went AWOL that year against England, when Taute should have played. Injuries have got the better of Taute now.


Barrett = another fucking Moffie lie - I never rated him you liar. Olivier was a quality centre but always second fiddle to Jean you prick.....I never had him ahead of Jean. Whitehead never smelt my Bok side - liar, JJ had a great year as a Bok, his performance with ball in hand against NZ was sublime - only a fucking idiot like yourself and our clueless coach would think otherwise.....where is useless Meyer now, hanging on by a thread if he is lucky.


Damn right de Allende and Kriel for now, again only a fucking idiot like yourself would stand alone and tell the world that DA who beat more defenders than any other centre in the WC and turned over more ball than most is not up to it and that Kriel with little ball made more clean breaks than any other centre this WC, is not up to it.


No instead you chose to inform us that old Jean was the answer.


Who the fuck are you to tell me I know nothing about centres when your hero was the utterly useless Adi Jacobs followed closely by the marginally better de Jongh.......your take on centres is a bloody joke.


I never ran Nonu down you liar, I did Jean for he has been utterly useless for the past two years. Both Nonu and Jean ARE old.


You are fucking useless and a fucking pathetic liar

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 20:27
#31
12 Nov 2015, 20:27#31
Moron mike you dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb plank. Onceagain, the  only comment on Frans on this thread is a quote from Humungous. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2015, 20:41
#32
12 Nov 2015, 20:41#32
Vetsak no need to write a book. Not one pick where you led the pack has worked out. And so many, many have bombed. And you did run Nonu down...right on this thread. Perhaps the most consistently wrong poster on this site....but maybe Mike(Lappies, Jordaan, Potgieter, Reinach, Swiel) just edges you.
Dumb but loud. 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Nov 2015, 21:38
#33
12 Nov 2015, 21:38#33
 Moz, Moz, Moz, take it easy on the sorry Loser.....you've toasted him and the colour of that toast is not looking good. How on earth anyone can say a player is "past it" then U Turn and say "at no point did I ever have anything negative" is beyond anyone's understanding. "past it" means you've hit the scrap deck....you're crap! End of.
Look Vetsak, time for you to stop throwing your toys out of the cot and to stop ranting and raving.....you've unwittingly shot yourself in the foot and mouth. When you're a man you should act like a man not like a spoilt juvenile stomping his fat feet with indignation. Have a fat day!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2015, 11:06
#34
13 Nov 2015, 11:06#34

Moffie kindly point out where I ran Nonu down on this thread you lying prick......actually let me rephrase that......stupid prick.


Be a sport and kindly point out where I ran him down......for I seemed to have missed it.


My calls have failed have they? Wow and you are fucking enough to use Meyer as the measure no doubt, that's how fucking stupid you are but I guess that comes with backing a loser.


Let me guess coffin dodger, your picks in Adi Jacobs and de Jongh were hits were they........bwhaaahaaaaa.......why don't you try think before you post, or is that beyond you......old educated one.......educated my arse.  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2015, 11:16
#35
13 Nov 2015, 11:16#35

Ah Denise I see you are just as fucking stupid as your bumb chum Moffie, shock, shock.......so because I say a 33 year old is past it, given at the time he was struggling with form, that somehow that is a reflection on him as a player throughout his career......are you really, really this fucking stupid the pair of you.......I know you are a fucking useless throw together and English is not your first language, but what is Moffie's excuse.


Here is a little reminder......the topic was about Nonu being potentially the best AB 12 ever.......a reflection of his career as a whole, not his last few years when age seemed to catch up with him and many called for his head.......do you comprehend this simple concept, ugly fuck?


Class is permanent, form is temporary.........age is another a player has no control over.


I have ALWAYS rated Nonu, but like any player his form has dipped at times......in particular prior to the WC, hence my past it call.......you hit 30 and that tends to happen.


You and your fucking useless bumb chum have been owned by me as per usual......unless of course you can find evidence of me saying Nonu was weak, poor or bog ordinary as you originally asserted you lying twat.


Now go hide  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Nov 2015, 11:23
#36
13 Nov 2015, 11:23#36
Dumb Mozart 
None of your picks in the lat est WC squad has worked out:-
Morne Steyn, Jean de Villiers, Willem Alberts, Ruan Pienaar, Victor Matfield, Jannie du Plessis.
You are a good one to come up with names of players in your book who failed when the list of failures is longer than anything you can come up with.  Add Fat Fransie and De Jongh to that list and you remain a proper idiot with no idea about rugby.       
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2015, 11:24
#37
13 Nov 2015, 11:24#37
Don't forget the brilliant Adi Jacobs......bwahaaahaaaaaaa  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Nov 2015, 15:58
#38
13 Nov 2015, 15:58#38
This is probably news for you Vetsak, but Adie wasn't at the WC. Bronze medal MOM Victor Matfield was, delivering rivers of egg to you and your intellectual leader, the Pervert. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Nov 2015, 17:14
#39
13 Nov 2015, 17:14#39
 Mozart
Are you bloody nuts - you stupid old bugger - Matfield was a flop in all games also in the game that he was MOM.  he did squat and was awarded a MOM against the Argentinian "B" team.   What a bloody fool to come up with that disaster that should have not been at the WC at all.  
The day when you are capable of assessing player pe rformance throughout a game - that is the day when you can open your mouth about players - until then the only thing you do is to make an utter fool of yourself.   
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2015, 18:25
#40
13 Nov 2015, 18:25#40

We are not talking about WC's you stupid prick we are talking Nonu as potentially the best NZ 12 ever......is that limited to WC you stupid prick


Take another nap, the previous one obviously had little effect.


Imagine pointing fingers at a fellow poster regarding their centre selections when your hero's were revolving doors Adi Jacobs and de Jongh.......priceless


 

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