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Eddie Jones and the Stormers

Started by clevermike6 REPLIES245 VIEWS· 10 Nov 2015, 02:37
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Nov 2015, 02:37
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10 Nov 2015, 02:37#1
The following from News 24:-

New Stormers coach Eddie Jones is going to have a more challenging Super Rugby season in 2016 than he may even realise yet from a playing resources point of view.

It is likely to be a matter raised among many other topics when he meets the local media for the first time this Thursday.


His squad will have an unavoidably fluid look about it both at the outset (including his important pre-season phase as he works with so many first-time charges) and then potentially well into the competition itself.   Jones will have to contend not only with the absence of several staple Springbok figures for his first few weeks at the helm due to their Japanese club deals, but then also the likelihood that several established backline players will be periodically tied up with national Sevens duties during an Olympics-geared year.


When he first dons his Stormers tracksuit, he will know that glaring missing links in his quest to establish immediate synergies will include the franchise’s best lock, Eben Etzebeth (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes), veteran loose forward Schalk Burger (Suntory Sungoliath) and perhaps the most influential name on paper in the Stormers’ backline as things stand, Damian de Allende (Kintetsu Liners).


They have Japanese Top League contracts in a season that ends with the final on January 24.   Although that is just over a month before Super Rugby hostilities kick off in an expanded competition, bear in mind that the trio mentioned will not have had an off-season as they travelled to their Japanese outfits so soon after the finish of the World Cup.


You would think it will be in the interests of the Stormers’ bigger-picture needs for the lengthy slog – the season drags on until early August – to largely give forwards Etzebeth and Burger, particularly, some feet-up time for a few weeks, which will only make it more difficult to slot them in seamlessly to his plans.


At least Jones and Burger are pretty well acquainted with each other, as Burger is a survivor from the coach’s days as a consultant to the Springboks when they last won the World Cup in 2007.   There is also a case for saying it is best to be philosophical about high-quality South African players seeking lucrative Japanese sojourns – call it a tolerable evil? – because it is better that they go there than to Europe, which precludes any Super Rugby presence. 


But there will be a further minefield for the former Australia and Japan mastermind to negotiate, and it has to do with the Stormers serving up a dangerously high tally of their back-division personnel to the Blitzboks as they begin preparing for the Olympic Sevens in Rio during August.


An extended SA Sevens training squad named a few days ago indicates that the Stormers could be the domestic Super Rugby franchise most crippled by absenteeism through Sevens call-ups over the course of the next few months.   If all of Cheslin Kolbe, Juan de Jongh, De Allende, Seabelo Senatla and recent recruit Cornal Hendricks significantly catch the eye of Blitzboks coach Neil Powell and are thus earmarked for Rio, you are suddenly stripping the Stormers team of just about its entire proven X-factor among outside backs.


All of them going to South America is highly unlikely, of course, given that various loyal Sevens specialists in recent years are bound to crack the nod for the Games and other Super Rugby sides are also offering some of their players, but Jones will nevertheless seldom be able to feel he has a “settled” Stormers squad at his disposal.   


A bit of a “now you see them, now you don’t” sort of disruptive trend could take root at Newlands during 2016, which will hardly aid Jones’s quest to begin his tenure with a bang "


The story about the Japanese issue is not given in its right context.  The players returning from Japan is normally not up to the fitness levels required on Super Rugby level,- but at least that problem will be partly solved by the month break between the end of the Japan season and the start of Super rugby.


The issue of the 7's has one real negative impact for the franchise in the form of De Allende - for ther est the other 7's players are really specialists in that format of the game - with serious question marks as to their ability to perform in the 15 man game.   


Jons has a major problem and that is to identify players he can use properly to replace the deficient backline players that has been poor for years now.   He has the squad av ailable to do so - without the microlights with their defensive deficiencies in the backline.             ..

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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
10 Nov 2015, 03:09
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10 Nov 2015, 03:09#2

Just a caution on Eddie Jones.


Quite a few years ago The Bulls under Heyneke Meyer then, got towards the last round of the S15 and their last game was against the Queensland Reds coach by none other than Eddie Jones. The Bulls needed a win with a point difference of nearly 90 (ninety) points to qualify for the S15-semi. The Bulls achieved that target with relative ease.


Lets hope Eddie has learned a lot since that disastrous day and will be of great value to the Stormers.

  

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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Nov 2015, 05:41
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10 Nov 2015, 05:41#3
 The Gentle Zephyrs will no doubt be running out of puff even in the gimped up SA friendly comp ,would I larrf if the Japonaise team beat Eddies new paramour ?Damn right I would !
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Nov 2015, 06:47
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10 Nov 2015, 06:47#4
Blikkies, when sympathizing with Meyer's loss against Japan, Jones mentioned that match as his own dark day in coaching. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Nov 2015, 07:17
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10 Nov 2015, 07:17#5
 Pakie and Blikkies
To use one match as a decider about coaching efficiency is absolute crap.  Eddie Jones may have mentioned that match as his own dark day - but it must also be borne in mind he outwitted the crap Meyer game plan in the RWC and his lowly rated team beat the "most experienced" team the Springboks ever fielded - so how good a coach Jones is really?
I do not think Meyer was the coach of the Bulls when that match took place.  Ludeke by then was the coach as far as I can remember.   After all Meyer before  the coach replacement debacle left the Bulls head coach job in 2007 after the Bull s and Cheetahs undermined White in a scheme to make Meyer the Springbok coach.  The whole ting went sour when the rest of the provinces who supported White turned on the schemers and voted for De Villiers - as bad a choice as Meyer would have been.

     
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Nov 2015, 08:56
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10 Nov 2015, 08:56#6
I was relaying something interesting to Blikkies regarding the game he mentioned, not using one match to decide a coach's efficiency.
You read something, then make the most extreme (often most extremely wrong) interpretation possible, and then project that onto the original poster. Get a grip.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Nov 2015, 11:37
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10 Nov 2015, 11:37#7
This 7's commitment is a load of shit  
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