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Eddie Jones for Stormers?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2015, 21:10
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18 Aug 2015, 21:10#1
This guy could I believe doa job for us. Ex Sport 24

Cape Town - Japan coach Eddie Jones has shot down reports he has signed a contract to take over South Africa's Stormers but said on Tuesday he was "chatting" with the Super Rugby side as he weighs up his options before his contract expires.

Australian Jones has a contract with the 'Brave Blossoms' until the end of 2015 but he was thought keen to remain in Japan, which will host the 2019 rugby World Cup, to coach the national side as well as the new Super Rugby expansion team.

However, reports from Cape Town on Monday said the 55-year-old had already put pen to paper on a two-year contract worth R5m per year with the Stormers.

The reports also suggested Jones could retain his role with Japan despite being based out of South Africa.

Jones told Japan's Kyodo News on Tuesday he was simply exploring his options.

"I am chatting with (the Stormers) but that's the extent of it," he said. "I am off contract in 2015 and I'm looking at my options.

"Players and coaches sign contracts and do everything they can until the contract comes to an end. But you need to look elsewhere when your contract is coming to an end. That's professional rugby."

Jones, who has never held a top coaching position in South Africa, said he was always drawn to the appeal of doing something different.

"That's why I came to Japan after coaching in England," he said.

"No Australian has done anything in Japan. I like new challenges and that's why I am chatting with them."

Here is hoping it comes off! I think he would dovetail; with G ert Smal well 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2015, 22:11
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18 Aug 2015, 22:11#2
 Comments from Keo re Eddie jones coaching the Stormers

Eddie Jones has the ability to transform the Stormers into a less predictable and ultimately more dangerous unit, writes JON CARDINELLI.

On Tuesday, Jones confirmed he is in talks with the Stormers about a move to Cape Town ahead of the 2016 Super Rugby season. The Cape side has been searching for a new head coach since it was announced at the start of the year that Allister Coetzee would be leaving the franchise.

In February, it was rumoured that Jones was the favourite to succeed Coetzee. At the time, Jones rubbished the reports. He explained that he was committed to his role as Japan's director of rugby until after the 2019 World Cup, which will be staged in the Land of the Rising Sun.

Jones was also expected to coach the new Japanese franchise in the inaugural 18-team Super Rugby tournament next season. At the time of the initial rumour, a move to the Stormers seemed impossible.

However, the latest reports from Japan indicate that the new team has battled to contract players. On Tuesday, Kyodo News reported that just five players have signed to the fledgling franchise, and that the naming of the team has been pushed back to late August/early September. If the situation does not improve, there is a possibility that Japan will lose the franchise.

This may present the Stormers, who are desperate to nail down a head coach, with an opportunity.

In a sense, the Cape side has been looking for a heavyweight coach for the past three years. Rassie Erasmus, one of the most respected rugby brains on the planet, resigned in early 2012.  (yes we lost rassie and he was replaced by the mediocre Alistair. DR MOZZZ PLEASE NOTE COMMENTS RE RASSIE - ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED RUGBY BRAINS ON THE PLANET. OF COURSE IT TAKES ONE TO RECOGNISE ONE. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA)

With Coetzee alone at the helm, the Stormers won two conference titles in 2012 and 2015, but fell short on the two occasions they progressed to the play-offs. It's been clear for the past three-and-a-half years that the Stormers have lacked an X-factor on the field and in the coaching box.

Jones has a reputation for thinking outside the box. He coached the Brumbies to the Super 12 title in 2001, and the Wallabies to Tri-Nations glory in the same year. While Australia finished the 2003 World Cup as runners-up, Jones earned a winners’ medal as technical advisor to the all-conquering Springboks four years later. Then coach Jake White said that Jones's input made a profound difference to the way the Boks played at the 2007 tournament.

Gert Smal has done some good things since his appointment as Western Province's director of rugby in May 2014. Apart from targeting some big-name players in key positions, he has sought to bolster the coaching staff.

Vlok Cilliers, who enjoyed a lot of success as the Bulls' kicking coach during the 2000s, was brought into the mix. Smal sees great potential in Paul Treu, the former Springbok Sevens coach who has been recruited to WP to transform the team's defence.

What is still missing, however, is a big-name head coach who can bring it all together and perhaps inject some inspiration into a set-up that has been devoid of it for too long.

Of course, if Jones was to accept the position of head coach, he would face a number of challenges unique to South African rugby and the Western Cape itself. Transformation will factor into team selections. The infamous politics of Western Cape rugby that contributed to Erasmus's resignation in 2012 will provide another headache.(FOR TRANSFORMATION READ RACE BASED SELECTIONS REGARDING PLAYERS WHO WOULD NOT MAKE IT ON MERIT! NOTE ALSO THE INFAMOUS POLITICS THAT LED TO RASSIE'S RESIGNATION AND NO DOUBT MALLETS AS WELL. JONES SHOULD TELL THE TWITS HE MUST HAVE A FREE HAND OR NO DEAL.) 

Then there is the fact that Jones intends to juggle his existing role as Japan's director of rugby with the new job at the Stormers. We saw earlier this year how Gary Gold battled to catch up at the Sharks after spending the Japanese season with the Kobelco Steelers. Coaching two teams at once sounds like a bad idea, especially since the teams in question are nearly 15 000km apart.

If it was just a question of the rugby, then the decision would be a no-brainer. If Jones and the Stormers could agree to the terms of a two-year deal, the team would move forward during that period.

Big-name players would flock to the franchise for an opportunity to work under a coach of Jones's experience and expertise. The existing coaching staff at the Stormers would also learn a great deal from working alongside a man who has enjoyed success at every level of the game.

It will be interesting to see if the Stormers can pin down Jones in the next week or so. It will also be interesting to see whether they can make this move work.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2015, 22:41
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18 Aug 2015, 22:41#3
 I think there is some misunderstanding in this case about the dual coaching role of Jones.  As I understand it his contract in Japan ends after what they call their 2015 season - which effectively ends in late February - early March next year.
If Jones entered into an agreement with the Stormers he is likely to miss the first three rounds of Super 18 next year - so that would not be a train smash at all.
When Jake White got lost in the 2007 WC insofar as backline coaching is concerned he roped in Eddie Jones - whom in a few weeks did more with the Springboks backline development than White and his assistant backline coach - Coetzee - managed to do in three years.  
With Jones as coach there will be a serious shake-up in Stormers play - they desperately need a coach that can take their backline forward.  However, that would mean a real shake-up - with at least 2 of the midgets having to look for jobs elsewhere or play Vodacom Cup Rugby.         
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2015, 23:43
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18 Aug 2015, 23:43#4
I'd be more concerned about the moribund Sharks franchise...the Stormers after all headed the SA table.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2015, 23:56
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18 Aug 2015, 23:56#5
 What has this to do with the Sharks?   I think the problem is that all of the Sharks, the Bulls and the Stormers need a proper coach to take them forward and to weed out the under-performers that bedevil the present teams.  
Players like the following caused major havoc in the franchise teams and needs to go or those who signed foreign contracts needs to be replaced:-
Bulls - Matfield, Engelbrecht, Spies, Kruger, Stegmann, Greyling
Sharks - Steyn, Wentzel, the Du Plessis Brothers, Beast, Stevens
Stormers - Leyds, De Jongh, Taute
       
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2015, 23:59
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18 Aug 2015, 23:59#6
Oh Taute the guy you were confidently telling us last year was the right choice for Bok fullback....how embarrassing. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2015, 00:06
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19 Aug 2015, 00:06#7
Dr Goebbels
I change my opinion of players based on actual performance - I am not stu ck in the past like you are.  It is only a fool that cannot change in mind taking into account present circumstances and you obviously meet that description. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2015, 00:15
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19 Aug 2015, 00:15#8
Oh good...perhaps you might want to reconsider Malherbe, Goosen, Reinach and Stephanie.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2015, 00:50
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19 Aug 2015, 00:50#9
 No - that is just your prejudice and rubbish you spout to boot.   I have no reason to review Malherbe or Reinach and Serfontein I regard as still a good player.   Goosen has not played for a while now and there is no performance situation available for evaluation so I have not seriously consider  him based on proven performance fr present selection.  However, I would still prefer him at flyhalf ahead of the Morne Steyn disaster.       
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
19 Aug 2015, 18:05
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19 Aug 2015, 18:05#10
If this goes through, Captain Ahab (Gert Smal) just landed his whale, although I thought Dobson would have been a good choice too. Hopefully he stays and is mentored.
Will be interesting to see who Jones is able to bring with him as far as players go and would imagine he is making phone calls to potential flyhalfs right now.









JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Aug 2015, 18:11
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19 Aug 2015, 18:11#11
 Good coaches attract good players so if the money is not an issue wee stormers may improve. 
Will we ever hear the end of Beeno's crowing if this is the case? No worries the Mighty Chiefs will help keep the stormers well grounded
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2015, 18:20
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19 Aug 2015, 18:20#12
 oimatey
The Stormers desperately need a flyhalf and a back-up flyhalf as a huge priority and it would be interesting with what Jones comes up with.
But that is not all - they also need centers since I do no think De Jongh will meet the requirements of Jones.   
In essence the Stormers backline is weak - they really have only to class players - De Allende and Van Wyk.   I would say they have some good players coming through from their junior ranks, but the identification and development of the players would be of major help to the Stormers.      


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Aug 2015, 19:49
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19 Aug 2015, 19:49#13
 Matey,  I think the idea with Dobson is to prime him for the job in two years,  that's why I think WP/Stormers don't want to appoint anyone for more than 2 years,  but they know they can't just dump him into the deep end next year. Rather get someone with xp for 2 years,  pay them more in the short term,   but don't get stuck with a coach for longer.  Jones were apparently offered R5M p.a.,  the largest salary for a coach in SA... ever! 

Mike,  it is also rumoured that WP are trying their best to sign Marnitz for next year. 
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
19 Aug 2015, 20:00
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19 Aug 2015, 20:00#14
...Bean Brain due to the poor man having a heart condition probably not a good idea...any more shock losses to an Argentinian team might just finish him off... 
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