With his slight build, very narrow shoulders and pace.....fullback seems the obvious choice. Hell I could get quite enthusiastic about that.
Captain49,914 posts
18 Dec 2014, 22:24
#1
18 Dec 2014, 22:24#1
Flyhalf or fullback....vote the best position for Goosen
Started by Mozart67 REPLIES917 VIEWS· 18 Dec 2014, 22:24
Pro2,471 posts
18 Dec 2014, 23:32
#2
18 Dec 2014, 23:32#2
Flyhalf, played there all his life and that's where he has proven himself. Doesn't need to be a 100Kg to win us matches, he's a quick thinker and needs to be involved to get the best out of him.
Pro9,374 posts
19 Dec 2014, 00:04
#3
19 Dec 2014, 00:04#3
"..........he's a quick thinker and needs to be involved to get the best out of him. "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fjBZ_MCJPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fjBZ_MCJPU
Captain10,129 posts
19 Dec 2014, 00:24
#4
19 Dec 2014, 00:24#4
That was quack..............
Pro2,471 posts
19 Dec 2014, 00:54
#5
19 Dec 2014, 00:54#5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0j7YjoaVa8 - 0:45 seconds
Pro6,663 posts
19 Dec 2014, 01:53
#6
19 Dec 2014, 01:53#6
On a roasting dish with veges and gravy ?Sorry wrong site .....
Coach57,555 posts
19 Dec 2014, 06:31
#7
19 Dec 2014, 06:31#7
Balls on the Moron's part again. Flyhalfs have to have match reading ability - but the two morons do not think that isimportant. Build has nothing to do with that. So their dud choices are based on physical build without regard to ball sense and playing ability - that makes them the morons they are.
Their stupidity is further illustrated by their assumption that pace is not a requirement of full backs - and their equal stupidity when it comes to pace evaluation. Anybody who says that the Steyn's are not notoriously paceless - must have their heads read.
Goosen is a flyhalf - proven agaiin his last few games he played for Racing Metro - who can play at full back - if required .
Their stupidity is further illustrated by their assumption that pace is not a requirement of full backs - and their equal stupidity when it comes to pace evaluation. Anybody who says that the Steyn's are not notoriously paceless - must have their heads read.
Goosen is a flyhalf - proven agaiin his last few games he played for Racing Metro - who can play at full back - if required .
Captain49,914 posts
19 Dec 2014, 06:40
#8
19 Dec 2014, 06:40#8
The swami from the "quackmire" has spoken ...hahaha.
Pro2,288 posts
19 Dec 2014, 13:48
#9
19 Dec 2014, 13:48#9
I predicted in 2012's Super XV he would eventually find his way to 15. We are seeing coaches play him there because of his inability to perform well at 10. At the Cheetahs he was a cog in a well oiled machine.
Coach57,555 posts
19 Dec 2014, 14:28
#10
19 Dec 2014, 14:28#10
The Mozart moron did not realize that the BS he writes on this site resembles qucking and that he writes himself into a mire, Hence the description of his zero thinking contribution as being in a quackmire.
Pro2,471 posts
19 Dec 2014, 15:20
#11
19 Dec 2014, 15:20#11
You obviously haven't watched him play for Racing Metro then.
Captain30,741 posts
19 Dec 2014, 16:41
#12
19 Dec 2014, 16:41#12
No contest at all, he is a 10, made no impression at 15.
He is a great 10, possibly SA's best. Just like Lambie he is not a 15.....both a classy 10's.
You need more physicality at 15 than you do at 10.......Goosen and Lambie lack physicality.
Witness Halfpenny of Wales, he offers nothing with ball in hand, when last did you see this guy do anything on attack. He gets selected for his goal kicking and at best solid at the back. He lacks physical clout
Pro9,374 posts
19 Dec 2014, 17:00
#13
19 Dec 2014, 17:00#13
Who has the best chance of having to try and stop a forward or a loose forward on defence? The flyhalf or the fullback?
Who has the best chance of having to try and attack against a forward or a loose forward? The flyhalf or the fullback?
Who has the best chance of having to try and attack against a forward or a loose forward? The flyhalf or the fullback?
sharkbok
Captain23,286 posts
Captain23,286 posts
19 Dec 2014, 17:32
#14
19 Dec 2014, 17:32#14
Saffex for years you said that Lambie should play fullback, now you have changed your stance that he is only a flyhalf.
How exactly is Halfpenny more physical than Lambie.
How exactly is Halfpenny more physical than Lambie.
Captain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2014, 17:36
#15
19 Dec 2014, 17:36#15
Cera, that's not the criteria used to decide what number should be on a players back. Sure it would have some influence, but it was never the FH's job to deal with the opposing loosies on his own. There might still be quite some vallue in Goosen at 10. I'm not nearly convinced yet, but not ready to disregard him either. Same with Pollard and Lambie, the last being my most nervous pick at 10. Goosen looked very good at 10 when he jumped on the scene, no need to take it as a given that he will always be an injury concern. Still lots of time to prove or disprove his worth.
Pro9,374 posts
19 Dec 2014, 17:40
#16
19 Dec 2014, 17:40#16
Draad, I am not the one saying it is or should be the criteria. I was actually questioning what ou Dawie Kabouter was saying.
Captain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2014, 17:49
#17
19 Dec 2014, 17:49#17
I know, just had 2 add my 2bits
Captain30,741 posts
19 Dec 2014, 18:32
#18
19 Dec 2014, 18:32#18
Um Sharktwat where did I say that Halfpenny is more physical than Lambie huh? Did I not say Halfpenny lacked physicality.
Actually I have always said Lambie is a 10 who can play 15 and my calls for him at 15 were in the days when Willie was not about and the options at 15 were limited. So my ca ll was that Lambie should have been at 15, Taute at 13 and Goosen at 10 at the time.
It was a case of getting your best 15 on the field
Actually I have always said Lambie is a 10 who can play 15 and my calls for him at 15 were in the days when Willie was not about and the options at 15 were limited. So my ca ll was that Lambie should have been at 15, Taute at 13 and Goosen at 10 at the time.
It was a case of getting your best 15 on the field
Captain30,741 posts
19 Dec 2014, 18:34
#19
19 Dec 2014, 18:34#19
Vlagshit.....I'll keep it simple. Of the current international sides which test side has a bigger 10 than 15 and that might just answer your question
Captain49,914 posts
19 Dec 2014, 19:51
#20
19 Dec 2014, 19:51#20
England, Wales, if Carter plays NZ, the Boks......to name a few.
Coach57,555 posts
19 Dec 2014, 20:07
#21
19 Dec 2014, 20:07#21
Mozart
Wrong ibn virtually every case - most of the teams hve basically the same size full backs and flyhalfs. Some flyhalfs is in fact slightly smaller than the full backs. England - Ford and Brown - for example. Carter is not bigger than Dagg or Ben Smith - even if he is playing. Priestland is slimmer than Halfpenny - but not physically heavier.
If SA plays Pollard at 10 - he is bigger than Le Roux - if they play Goosen or Lambie - no sugnificant difference in weight and size.
But then you want the slow thinkers Fat Fransie and Morne at flyhalf - something that hopefully will never materialize. You need thinking players in that position.
Are you ever right?
Wrong ibn virtually every case - most of the teams hve basically the same size full backs and flyhalfs. Some flyhalfs is in fact slightly smaller than the full backs. England - Ford and Brown - for example. Carter is not bigger than Dagg or Ben Smith - even if he is playing. Priestland is slimmer than Halfpenny - but not physically heavier.
If SA plays Pollard at 10 - he is bigger than Le Roux - if they play Goosen or Lambie - no sugnificant difference in weight and size.
But then you want the slow thinkers Fat Fransie and Morne at flyhalf - something that hopefully will never materialize. You need thinking players in that position.
Are you ever right?
Captain49,914 posts
19 Dec 2014, 20:31
#22
19 Dec 2014, 20:31#22
Full name Owen Andrew Farrell Born September 24, 1991, Billinge Current age 23 years 86 daysMajor teams British and Irish Lions, England Under-20s, Saracens, EnglandPosition Centre, Fly-halfHeight 6 ft 2 in Weight 202 lb Full name Michael Noel Brown Born September 4, 1985, Southampton Current age 29 years 106 daysMajor teams England Saxons, Harlequins, EnglandPosition FullbackHeight 6 ft 0 in Weight 196 lb Full name Daniel Rhys Biggar Born October 16, 1989, Swansea Current age 25 years 64 daysMajor teams Ospreys, Welsh Probables, WalesPosition Fly-halfHeight 6 ft 2 in Weight 202 lb Full name Stephen Leigh Halfpenny Born December 22, 1988, Swansea Current age 25 years 362 daysMajor teams Barbarians, British and Irish Lions, Cardiff Blues, Toulon, WalesPosition FullbackHeight 5 ft 10 in Weight 194 lb Full name Daniel William Carter Born March 5, 1982, Leeston Current age 32 years 289 daysMajor teams Canterbury, Crusaders, Perpignan, New ZealandPosition Fly-halfHeight 5 ft 10 in Weight 207 Full name Benjamin Robert Smith Born June 1, 1986, Dunedin Current age 28 years 201 daysMajor teams Bay of Plenty, Highlanders, Otago, New ZealandPosition FullbackHeight 6 ft 1 in Weight 205 lb Full name Handre Pollard Born March 11, 1994, Somerset West Current age 20 years 283 daysMajor teams Blue Bulls, Bulls, South Africa Under-20s, South AfricaPosition Fly-halfHeight 6 ft 2 in Weight 211 lb Full name Willem Jacobus le Roux Born August 18, 1989, Cape Town Current age 25 years 123 daysMajor teams Barbarians, Cheetahs, Griquas, South AfricaPosition FullbackHeight 6 ft 1 in Weight 198 lb Any more from the Quackmire Oupa?
Rookie95 posts
19 Dec 2014, 20:40
#23
19 Dec 2014, 20:40#23
Captain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2014, 21:36
#24
19 Dec 2014, 21:36#24
Oval, I recommend that pick for your next avatar, if you feel the urge to change again. Your current one is a winner though, so please try to keep it for a while still.
Captain49,914 posts
19 Dec 2014, 21:38
#25
19 Dec 2014, 21:38#25
It's a beaut, I hope Balls keeps it for a while! I'd actually recommend the duck for the OOM, it's true to form and all these young boys he uses are a little barfable.
Captain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2014, 21:41
#26
19 Dec 2014, 21:41#26
One from "Blades of Glory " might even be better, but he would struggle to replicate that expression. .. Priceless.
Captain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2014, 21:46
#27
19 Dec 2014, 21:46#27
I miss the Oom's stormtrooper on the loo. I will always think of that pic when dealing with Uncle Clever.
Rookie95 posts
19 Dec 2014, 21:48
#28
19 Dec 2014, 21:48#28
How is this one ?
Rookie95 posts
19 Dec 2014, 21:51
#29
19 Dec 2014, 21:51#29
This one would be good for dumbassmike
Captain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2014, 21:52
#30
19 Dec 2014, 21:52#30
Nope, cose but no cigar. I demand you reinstate the previous one!
Captain26,388 posts
19 Dec 2014, 22:01
#31
19 Dec 2014, 22:01#31
I had another poster in mind for that Jim character, but will keep mum.
Coach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2014, 06:55
#32
20 Dec 2014, 06:55#32
Mozart
Out of date again. Farrell was replaced by George Ford and you did not even realize that - doffies again. Incidentally Farrell was one game moved to no 12 and the next game left out. Keep up to date - when you make statements.
There has been a variety of flyhalfs playing for Wales and Priestland was the one who played more often than Biggar did.
You nitpicked Carter - becquse he is 2 lb heavier than Smith - but Dagg is the more regular full back for the AB's. Carter has virtually no game time in tests this year and when he did he failed. Why not Barrett or Cruden - the regular NZ flyhalfs?
As per normal the moron is ducking and diving again - using out-of-date information to prove a point. Living in the past is bad news.
Out of date again. Farrell was replaced by George Ford and you did not even realize that - doffies again. Incidentally Farrell was one game moved to no 12 and the next game left out. Keep up to date - when you make statements.
There has been a variety of flyhalfs playing for Wales and Priestland was the one who played more often than Biggar did.
You nitpicked Carter - becquse he is 2 lb heavier than Smith - but Dagg is the more regular full back for the AB's. Carter has virtually no game time in tests this year and when he did he failed. Why not Barrett or Cruden - the regular NZ flyhalfs?
As per normal the moron is ducking and diving again - using out-of-date information to prove a point. Living in the past is bad news.
Pro2,288 posts
20 Dec 2014, 13:10
#33
20 Dec 2014, 13:10#33
Goosen looked good at 10? He certainly did his job, but from the Bulls annihilation in the 2012 Super XV the writing was on the wall. You had the blueprint to defeat them through his channel. .
Lambie on the otherhand is a player that sinks into himself. He has had all the support but just cannot deliver on the hype.
Lambie on the otherhand is a player that sinks into himself. He has had all the support but just cannot deliver on the hype.
Captain18,117 posts
20 Dec 2014, 13:32
#34
20 Dec 2014, 13:32#34
True to form, Dim Gimp finds some obscure and unwarranted reason to tell us for the millionth time how much he hates Patrick Lambie. Man I'd love to know what Dim Gimp's girlfriend or boyfriend had to say about Lambie that caused these levels of hatred!
Or maybe Dim Gimp has a dandruff problem? LMAO!
Dim Gimp, please don't explode in a big puff of rage but right now Pat Lambie is Heyneke Meyer's first choice for the Springbok #10 jersey at next year's RWC.
Or maybe Dim Gimp has a dandruff problem? LMAO!
Dim Gimp, please don't explode in a big puff of rage but right now Pat Lambie is Heyneke Meyer's first choice for the Springbok #10 jersey at next year's RWC.
Pro2,288 posts
20 Dec 2014, 14:22
#35
20 Dec 2014, 14:22#35
I don't hate Lambie, hence why my posts are rugby related, something yours - in all the fourteen years I have read them - have lacked. I don't think Meyer will start Lambie again. The numbers speak for themselves, the performances and results were no accident. Meyer wants attack and stability and he didn't get it. Our halfbacks were completely dominated.
"finds some obscure and unwarranted reason to tell us for the millionth time how much he hates Patrick Lambie."
I was responding to Draad's post above which says:
"I'm not nearly convinced yet, but not ready to disregard him either. Same with Pollard and Lambie, the last being my most nervous pick at 10."
"finds some obscure and unwarranted reason to tell us for the millionth time how much he hates Patrick Lambie."
I was responding to Draad's post above which says:
"I'm not nearly convinced yet, but not ready to disregard him either. Same with Pollard and Lambie, the last being my most nervous pick at 10."
Captain12,893 posts
20 Dec 2014, 14:23
#36
20 Dec 2014, 14:23#36
"...how he hates Lambie"
There's no hate for Lambie, Lestat has given his reasons why he thinks Lambie is a failure at ten.....don't link others to a sentiment with which you are naturally gifted... now instead of your usual Nyaaah Nyaaah Nyaaah character assassination of posters you hate, front up with your reasons as to why Lambie should be the Bok 10...or is that too much to ask of a yellow bellied coward?
Pro2,288 posts
20 Dec 2014, 14:59
#37
20 Dec 2014, 14:59#37
Like I said before, there's a place for Lambie. If you want an option on the bench for a safe fullback, he will give you that safety. He is the safest of all our options at 15 under the high ball and can do the basics well enough. He doesn't make mistakes, generally.
Captain40,032 posts
20 Dec 2014, 15:01
#38
20 Dec 2014, 15:01#38
If Goosen is too fragile at 10, then how about wee crude and beau barrat? Goosen you have to remember was extremely yoiung when selected fro the Boks - 20 years old. He was playing Super rugby when 19.
To me he is at least as physical as Cruden or barret and will be more so. Goosen isa very good flyhalf in the amking. I am less sure of him at 15.
Naas Botha was one of our greatest flyhlaves and the loosies did the tackling. It can be managed and the wee abs manage cruden and barrat. Goosen has more class than either of those two.Hope the Fren ch see his talent and dont waste time on Carter.
To me he is at least as physical as Cruden or barret and will be more so. Goosen isa very good flyhalf in the amking. I am less sure of him at 15.
Naas Botha was one of our greatest flyhlaves and the loosies did the tackling. It can be managed and the wee abs manage cruden and barrat. Goosen has more class than either of those two.Hope the Fren ch see his talent and dont waste time on Carter.
Captain40,032 posts
20 Dec 2014, 15:02
#39
20 Dec 2014, 15:02#39
Goosen is 89 kg according to Wiki. I would not be surprised if that was a little higher.
He will gain a few extra kg and be a respectable weight for a flyhalf.
He will gain a few extra kg and be a respectable weight for a flyhalf.
Pro2,288 posts
20 Dec 2014, 15:11
#40
20 Dec 2014, 15:11#40
The base structure of a person can only support so much additional mass without compromising structural integrity. More mass means more stress on bones, joints, ligaments and tendons. More torque. If Goosen bulks up, he'll be even more prone to injuries.
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