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Four places still up for grabs in World Cup side; Wynne Gray

Started by Just_win5 REPLIES361 VIEWS· 29 Jul 2015, 13:49
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Jul 2015, 13:49
#1
29 Jul 2015, 13:49#1

Forget the ifs and maybes and the end-of-August deadline.

Right here, right now - who are the 31 players the All Blacks will pick for the World Cup and who are those 14 backs and 17 forwards?

Remember there will be three hookers, three halfbacks and at least three five-eighths in that group while prop Charlie Faumuina's fitness remains marginal after his neck surgery.

Others may be unfortunate to join Aaron Cruden, Patrick Tuipulotu and Waisake Naholo on the injured list and if that occurs the final selection may become easier or more challenging.

You fancy the final quibbles will be about the fullback-wing mix, the five-eighths, the last loosie and fifth prop. Barring injury, the names of about 27 players could be sent to the programme publishers now.

The third halfback behind Aaron Smith and TJ Perenara will be either Andy Ellis, Tawera Kerr-Barlow or at a real pinch Brad Weber.

Kerr-Barlow had been with the group until his severe knee injury last season while Ellis was not sighted after the World Cup final.

He's back, and while his work against Samoa was patchy at least he's been playing all year unlike the unlucky Kerr-Barlow and Augustine Pulu who has broken his arm. Ellis has the experience of the last tournament to give him a minuscule advantage.

Daniel Carter will be the premier five-eighths because of game management and goal-kicking garnishes with Beauden Barrett as one specialist colleague - and useful utility help for the back four - with Lima Sopoaga or Colin Slade.

It was a boost to see Sopoaga carry his Super 15 form through into his fine test debut and those specialist talents are gold if required. He might be asked to keep those skills simmering with Slade, on the basis of been there done that from 2011, helping his cause.

Midfield will be a Ma'a Nonu, Sonny Bill Williams, Malakai Fekitoa, Conrad Smith grouping where SBW and Fekitoa can also be given a run on the wing in some of the easier pool matches. Ben Smith, Charles Piutau and Julian Savea are stone-cold picks for the backfield with Israel Dagg in the frame again after his recovery from injury. Not so fortunate are the injured Hurricanes pair of Cory Jane and Nehe Milner-Skudder who will lose out to the added versatility of Barrett, Slade and several midfielders.

In the mix of 17 forwards, it looks like five props, three hookers, four locks and five loose forwards will pile into the business-class section of the flight to Europe.

Tony Woodcock, Wyatt Crockett and Owen Franks are inked in, probably with Ben Franks and either a repaired Faumuina who can get up to speed or Nepo Laulala. It is a very tight fitness race for the Blues prop.

Dane Coles and Keven Mealamu are clear choices at hooker and now Codie Taylor has firmed ahead of Hika Elliot, where his athletic ball-handling, defence and lineout throwing are strong and his added weight has helped his scrummaging.

The battle for James Broadhurst on debut probably means the panel will pick Jeremy Thrush as the more experienced fourth lock to go with Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick and Luke Romano.

Four of the loose-forwards must be sorted. That's presuming Sam Cane is fine although we haven't seen him so far this test season but if he's good to go, he'll edge out Matt Todd.

The last place will be a duel between Liam Messam and Victor Vito as it was for 2011 where Vito got the nod. Messam looked short of a run at Ellis Park and sidetracked, as he did at times in Super rugby, rather than locked into his blindside duties.

Vito offers more at No 8 while he or McCaw could bring blindside cover for Jerome Kaino.

Possible ABs squad

Backs: Ben Smith, Israel Dagg, Charles Piutau, Julian Savea, Conrad Smith, Malakai Fekitoa, Ma'a Nonu, Sonny Bill Williams, Daniel Carter, Beauden Barrett, Colin Slade, Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara, Andy Ellis.

Forwards: Kieran Read, Victor Vito, Richie McCaw, Sam Cane, Jerome Kaino, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Luke Romano, Jeremy Thrush, Owen Franks, Nepo Laulala, Ben Franks, Tony Woodcock, Wyatt Crockett, Dane Coles, Keven Mealamu, Codie Taylor.

NZ Herald

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Jul 2015, 13:59
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29 Jul 2015, 13:59#2
 Messam out-dueld by Vito is a big call. Andy Ellis, only if TKB cannot get back to his prior level. Ellis is solid but that is all. Jane out, a shame but we will see if he gets back playing in time to show he has what it takes. Too many injuries lately makes him suspect. Milner-Skudder, a very good talent but maybe next time. 
Faumuina is needed for his size, he also has speed & skills. But neck injuries are tricky so he may not make it in time. Glad Cody as emerged at hooker. He is still inexperienced so if Hansen selects him it shows a high level of confidence. Glad he did well at Ellis park, a very good sign. Elliot had a very good s15 season. Finally we may have three decent hookers.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2015, 14:27
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29 Jul 2015, 14:27#3
 I laugh at the article - but am in agreement with most of what is written.   
I think that Dagg is a huge question mark - he did not do well at Ellis Park.  This guy is not the player he was in 2012 when he was beyond doubt the best full back in the world.    At Present he is rather ordinary.  What is wrong with Milner-Skudder - he would have been the better pick of the two.
There are seemingly no alternatives to the center situation - but I would have the creeps if I was an AB supporter when I see how De Allende and Kriel (2 rookies) toyed with Smith and Nonu on Saturday.   
As to the loosies my support is always for Sam Cane - he is one of the best around.   I have not been impressed by Messam in Super 15 and in the test on Saturday.  The way De Allende brushed him aside was not a good advert for him.   I would say Vito would be the preferred choice.
I like Cole s a hooker - the other two are just pedestrian - nothing to talk about.
And those props are all of the same calibre - in scrums faster in retreat than their very rare advances.         
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
29 Jul 2015, 16:16
#4
29 Jul 2015, 16:16#4
 JW the SA side is in exactly the same position with one slight difference.

All four places that are up for grabs are on the management side though.  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Jul 2015, 16:30
#5
29 Jul 2015, 16:30#5
 Good one AJ
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2015, 16:37
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29 Jul 2015, 16:37#6
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