Taute was better, JP had better moments. As did Jean. All JJ did was run straight in the most open game of 2012-2014.
Pro2,288 posts
04 Jan 2015, 15:29
#41
04 Jan 2015, 15:29#41
Four simple tactical adjustments would lift the Boks
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Captain30,741 posts
04 Jan 2015, 20:59
#42
04 Jan 2015, 20:59#42
Lestat it's one thing debating rugby with someone but when that twat just lies to make a point then there is no point.
You are pathetic. Telling me Taute or JP were better than JJ is insulting. But why not be a man and kindly point to the youtube footage of where these two were better with ball in hand than JJ was against NZ.
So all JJ did was run straight when he beat Savea beautifully or stepped Cruden for dead. Hey you liar.....but come on point us to JP and Taute being better.
You are a joke and an insult
You are pathetic. Telling me Taute or JP were better than JJ is insulting. But why not be a man and kindly point to the youtube footage of where these two were better with ball in hand than JJ was against NZ.
So all JJ did was run straight when he beat Savea beautifully or stepped Cruden for dead. Hey you liar.....but come on point us to JP and Taute being better.
You are a joke and an insult
Captain49,914 posts
04 Jan 2015, 22:02
#43
04 Jan 2015, 22:02#43
Stepped Cruden who was running cross only to fall at Reid's feet and lose the ball just before the half leading to an AB try. As for the Savea incident, he threw a dummy, I suspect by accident. Toothless.
sharkbok
Captain23,286 posts
Captain23,286 posts
04 Jan 2015, 22:13
#44
04 Jan 2015, 22:13#44
Jaco Crash Ball Taute was the most inept pathetic performance every at 13 for the Boks. Saying JJ was better than him is no achievement.
JJ is good in space against the Minnows. Why he has not been put on the wing where he started out is just stupidity. If he does not have space and time, he is of no use. He is pathetic in contact.
Jaco Taute is no international level player. Another youngster that looked ok at under19 level, but in truth he has not even cut it at SuperXV level.
Nowdays he is a curry cup player that just fills in for injured players. Last I heard he was playing inside centre as he has completely lost his pace.
Another creatine experiment gone wrong which leads to knee injuries . He does not have the creativity to create a paper airoplane, let alone setup tries for his outside backs.
The try he butchered for the Stormers in 2014 for not passing to his wing was the most pathetic backline play in the whole tournament by any player.
JJ is good in space against the Minnows. Why he has not been put on the wing where he started out is just stupidity. If he does not have space and time, he is of no use. He is pathetic in contact.
Jaco Taute is no international level player. Another youngster that looked ok at under19 level, but in truth he has not even cut it at SuperXV level.
Nowdays he is a curry cup player that just fills in for injured players. Last I heard he was playing inside centre as he has completely lost his pace.
Another creatine experiment gone wrong which leads to knee injuries . He does not have the creativity to create a paper airoplane, let alone setup tries for his outside backs.
The try he butchered for the Stormers in 2014 for not passing to his wing was the most pathetic backline play in the whole tournament by any player.
Captain30,741 posts
04 Jan 2015, 23:28
#45
04 Jan 2015, 23:28#45
Oh yeah that would be after receiving the ball from his captain who clearly wanted him to attack. He beat Cruden fair and square and all but got past Read but for a Read finger. He went to ground Kolisi arrived and the ball went flying back. JJ had stuff all to do with the AB try.
As for the Savea try what utter fucking rubbish. JJ beat him beautifully on the outside - it was pure class and then put Willie away with a perfect long pass to his wrong side. Willie gave it to Morne who stuffed up the try going over the line.
JJ s display with ball in hand that test was the best we have seen from a Bok 13 in years. Nothing has come close since.
Meyer is a complete and utter fool for discarding our best 13 prospect in years. But which calls does Meyer get right these days?
As for the Savea try what utter fucking rubbish. JJ beat him beautifully on the outside - it was pure class and then put Willie away with a perfect long pass to his wrong side. Willie gave it to Morne who stuffed up the try going over the line.
JJ s display with ball in hand that test was the best we have seen from a Bok 13 in years. Nothing has come close since.
Meyer is a complete and utter fool for discarding our best 13 prospect in years. But which calls does Meyer get right these days?
Captain49,914 posts
05 Jan 2015, 02:26
#46
05 Jan 2015, 02:26#46
Actually he should have tried to keep on his feet and not flop over. He should also not have missed Nonu in subsequent play.....a poor show.
Pro2,288 posts
05 Jan 2015, 13:49
#47
05 Jan 2015, 13:49#47
It's no lie Saffex. It's fact. Taute was better. His positional play was immense. He certainly wasn't an inferior defender.
Captain18,117 posts
05 Jan 2015, 13:54
#48
05 Jan 2015, 13:54#48
"I posted those details as well; again you conveniently forget that."
Why do you think he forgot? Why do you think he would have read your ignorant drivel in the first place?
Aren't you the idiot who claimed that the one and only function of a flyhalf is to decide who to pass to? Hmm? Yes? So why on earth would you assume that people bother to read your other rubbish?
Oh and weren't you shipping out, LeTwat? if you're going to go then just go . . . unless you're so pathetic that you're hanging around hoping someone will ask you to stay?
Wehe!
Why do you think he forgot? Why do you think he would have read your ignorant drivel in the first place?
Aren't you the idiot who claimed that the one and only function of a flyhalf is to decide who to pass to? Hmm? Yes? So why on earth would you assume that people bother to read your other rubbish?
Oh and weren't you shipping out, LeTwat? if you're going to go then just go . . . unless you're so pathetic that you're hanging around hoping someone will ask you to stay?
Wehe!
Pro2,288 posts
05 Jan 2015, 14:05
#49
05 Jan 2015, 14:05#49
I said primary function is distribution. Not only function. That would be altered semantics by you.
Oh, and I didn't say I'm leaving. You can choose to resolve that any way you wish. Maybe even all alcohol.
Oh, and I didn't say I'm leaving. You can choose to resolve that any way you wish. Maybe even all alcohol.
Captain18,117 posts
05 Jan 2015, 14:13
#50
05 Jan 2015, 14:13#50
"Therefore I won't be talking about it as it unfolds . . ."
No worries, that will do just fine. Thanks!
No worries, that will do just fine. Thanks!
Captain26,388 posts
05 Jan 2015, 18:44
#51
05 Jan 2015, 18:44#51
Moz, there is a slight, but quite significant difference between getting a penalty and kicking an u/u and getting a penalty advantage and kicking an u/u. Don't confuse Oom Mike too much please, you might end up confusing yourself!
PS. Hope all had a super festive season, I did!
PS. Hope all had a super festive season, I did!
Captain18,117 posts
06 Jan 2015, 15:27
#52
06 Jan 2015, 15:27#52
"I said primary function is distribution. Not only function. That would be altered semantics by you."
Oh? So you said "primary function" and then I went and twisted your words? Is that what you're claiming, LeTwat?
Hmmmm . . . let's see . . . here is the thread in question and here's exactly what you said . . .
"Offers nothing ball in hand? All a 10 has to do is choose who to give it to. Decision making sparks attack when the backs are giving options. Rugby 101, no need to thank me."
So where did you specify "primary function", chump, or are you going to pretend that you didn't post as Dim Gimp?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!
You know LeTwat, I can understand why you would lie after making such a stupid comment that exposes your pathetic rugby knowledge, but surely you should have at least gone back and edited your post . . . because this way you come across as a liar and a fool.
"Rugby 101, no need to thank me."
LMAO!
Oh? So you said "primary function" and then I went and twisted your words? Is that what you're claiming, LeTwat?
Hmmmm . . . let's see . . . here is the thread in question and here's exactly what you said . . .
"Offers nothing ball in hand? All a 10 has to do is choose who to give it to. Decision making sparks attack when the backs are giving options. Rugby 101, no need to thank me."
So where did you specify "primary function", chump, or are you going to pretend that you didn't post as Dim Gimp?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!
You know LeTwat, I can understand why you would lie after making such a stupid comment that exposes your pathetic rugby knowledge, but surely you should have at least gone back and edited your post . . . because this way you come across as a liar and a fool.
"Rugby 101, no need to thank me."
LMAO!
Captain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2015, 15:41
#53
06 Jan 2015, 15:41#53
Can you imagine how awful Rooinek's life has been to need to write such bile to somebody he doesn't know.
Pro2,288 posts
06 Jan 2015, 15:59
#54
06 Jan 2015, 15:59#54
It would be funny if it weren't real. Rooi, you are reaching and I can't understand why you are so desperate to prove a point. I know in your mind these are great battles to be won but they are inconsequential nothings to everybody else. If you want to prove a point, then you have actually lost the point of the topic anyway. Quite comical really.
Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2015, 16:31
#55
06 Jan 2015, 16:31#55
Ah so if a player like Read gets a hand on JJ, he should have stayed up now should he? Wow Moz that is pretty poor.......do you think people go down deliberately.
As for Nonu stepping JJ, that was a fair beat and amounted to nothing as Nonu was taken out within seconds thereafter.
Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2015, 16:36
#56
06 Jan 2015, 16:36#56
Lestat, you are bloody lying......and pretty bloody ignorant if you think the board is going to believe that Taute's performance at 13 was better than what JJ did against NZ.....are you plain bloody stupid?
Taute was the best test 13 we had in the year he did play......he was far better than de Jongh and Jean who played 13 that year, but his performance was not a patch on what JJ delivered against NZ with ball in hand.
As for me an JP at 13, again you are speaking crap. While JP could have made a good 13 had time been invested in him there at no point have I EVER wanted him at 13 ahead of the likes of Fourie in his prime or the likes of JJ or de Allende now.
You are just a liar
Captain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2015, 22:58
#57
06 Jan 2015, 22:58#57
In his enthusiasm, he ran away from his support....and slap bang into a two man tackle. He should have done all he could to stay upright having made that blunder. But he went over with the first finger laid on him. Dreadful judgement all round.
Coach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2015, 00:51
#58
07 Jan 2015, 00:51#58
Mozart
That crap again - the problem started with Morne Steyn - who instead of kicking for touch from within his own 22 - knowing that half time was seconds away - decided in his stupidity to pass the ball, ending up with Engelbrecht coming up against two defenders. Engelbrecht could have done better - but the BS started with the robotic Morne Steyn - who was instructed in advance to pass the ball and did it regardless, even when he should have known better and kicked for touch.
However, that may be too simplistic - taking into account Morne's record, he may not have found touch.
That crap again - the problem started with Morne Steyn - who instead of kicking for touch from within his own 22 - knowing that half time was seconds away - decided in his stupidity to pass the ball, ending up with Engelbrecht coming up against two defenders. Engelbrecht could have done better - but the BS started with the robotic Morne Steyn - who was instructed in advance to pass the ball and did it regardless, even when he should have known better and kicked for touch.
However, that may be too simplistic - taking into account Morne's record, he may not have found touch.
Captain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2015, 01:38
#59
07 Jan 2015, 01:38#59
And again I'll point out Morne was playing to an agreed team pattern....which had just yielded two long strike tries to Habana. He was not to know in trying a third time, that JJ was going to run away from all his support, and then get stripped.
Coach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2015, 01:48
#60
07 Jan 2015, 01:48#60
That confirms it. Morne is a player with limited - extremely limited - decision-making abilities. He is robotic and must be told in advance what to do.
Those two movements you mentioned stemmed from moves between the halfway line and 22 - not from inside the 22 with seconds to go to halftime. I can still remember how Naas Botha criticized that deficiency of Morne.
The comment re- JJ is balls and is meant to shift the blame for the foul up to JJ - who was placed in a bad position by Morne in the first instance.
Still no explanation why Morne virtually never makes the starting line-up of Stade Francais? I can give you the simple answer - he buggers up too much to be trusted to play at 10 in key matches. .
Those two movements you mentioned stemmed from moves between the halfway line and 22 - not from inside the 22 with seconds to go to halftime. I can still remember how Naas Botha criticized that deficiency of Morne.
The comment re- JJ is balls and is meant to shift the blame for the foul up to JJ - who was placed in a bad position by Morne in the first instance.
Still no explanation why Morne virtually never makes the starting line-up of Stade Francais? I can give you the simple answer - he buggers up too much to be trusted to play at 10 in key matches. .
Captain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2015, 03:11
#61
07 Jan 2015, 03:11#61
Don't be daft OOm every player plays to team orders....Morne was fine in that move the problem was JJ, not Morne, not Jean, not the groundsman. It was the silly twit who lost the ball.
As for Morne starting, I give a fig about the Frogs. Still you might consider your pick for Bok 10 Goosen has to have Carter and Suxton as baby sitters according to those same snail eaters.
As for Morne starting, I give a fig about the Frogs. Still you might consider your pick for Bok 10 Goosen has to have Carter and Suxton as baby sitters according to those same snail eaters.
Captain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2015, 07:17
#62
07 Jan 2015, 07:17#62
"Rooi, you are reaching and I can't understand why you are so desperate to prove a point. I know in your mind these are great battles to be won but they are inconsequential nothings to everybody else."
I think you're reading a lot more into this than there actually is, LeTwat. All I'm doing is pointing out that you're both a liar and a fool. Nothing more.
Oh and didn't you say just yesterday that you were going to ignore me? How is that going?
I think you're reading a lot more into this than there actually is, LeTwat. All I'm doing is pointing out that you're both a liar and a fool. Nothing more.
Oh and didn't you say just yesterday that you were going to ignore me? How is that going?
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