Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2015, 17:03
#1
28 Jul 2015, 17:03#1
this current Bok side being the most cutting edge we have ever had.......bwhaahaaaa.......please enlighten us on this fabulous remark of yours......pretty please.......take your time
Fox talk us through
Started by Saffolk 12 REPLIES504 VIEWS· 28 Jul 2015, 17:03
Pro2,288 posts
28 Jul 2015, 17:13
#2
28 Jul 2015, 17:13#2
The Boks have implemented modern pattern and ploys. There are many layers to their game with many interlinking structures. It's highly organised and players without opportunities to make decisions as opportunities are presented. That's the important thing, the gameplan creates opportunities. There are mismatches and extra men available. That's the key giveaway if a gameplay isn't working, players don't have options and can't create favourable matchups, you can't put the ball in your key decision maker's hands in the right positions of the field and with the personnel around him to make decisions.
Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2015, 17:26
#3
28 Jul 2015, 17:26#3
Ah so with this cutting edge side we have......why is it we have only won 5 of the last 11 tests played against the top international sides huh?
Do you think that a cutting edge side is one that has a 45% win record in its last two seasons.....or better still, one that has a 0% win record this year.
Can you begin to comprehend how stupid you look - my guess is NO
But thanks for that - it was well worth it......I have read some crap in my life but you keep raising the bar
Pro2,288 posts
28 Jul 2015, 17:33
#4
28 Jul 2015, 17:33#4
Results do not equate to sophistication. Australia's results have been far worse than the Boks over the past four years, particularly under Cheika. Are you going to brand them unsophisticated? You are losing this one Saffy. You lose your composure too easily.
Coach57,555 posts
28 Jul 2015, 17:39
#5
28 Jul 2015, 17:39#5
Dave
To be quite frank the team that played over the last two weeks have been better in many respects than what we are used to. There are still deficient players in that team and those include players with serious question marks as to their performance:-
* Habana - is he still the same he was in the past - there is very little evidence of that when his performance in the last two tests is evaluated;
* Hendricks is a CC player at best - there are ten times better wings around:
* Pienaar is slow and his defense is putrid - no attack, at times inaccurate and aimless kicking - vast improvement in that position needed
* Louw - brought very little to the team - seems to have gone backwards since his operation last year;
* Jannie du Plessis - so far solid in scrums - not the success Mozart and co trumpeted about - useless in play outside of scrumming.
The bench needs strengthening as well and we need a reliable third option line-out jumper.
To be quite frank the team that played over the last two weeks have been better in many respects than what we are used to. There are still deficient players in that team and those include players with serious question marks as to their performance:-
* Habana - is he still the same he was in the past - there is very little evidence of that when his performance in the last two tests is evaluated;
* Hendricks is a CC player at best - there are ten times better wings around:
* Pienaar is slow and his defense is putrid - no attack, at times inaccurate and aimless kicking - vast improvement in that position needed
* Louw - brought very little to the team - seems to have gone backwards since his operation last year;
* Jannie du Plessis - so far solid in scrums - not the success Mozart and co trumpeted about - useless in play outside of scrumming.
The bench needs strengthening as well and we need a reliable third option line-out jumper.
Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2015, 17:59
#6
28 Jul 2015, 17:59#6
What the fuck has sophistication got to do with it?
Stop making pathetic excuses.....results speak volumes......this current Bok side is crap - why - because we have a coach who is way out of his depth, who is out of touch with who are the best players in the country and who is completely lost when it comes to giving the side direction, winning direction.
He is one of the worst coaches we have had since readmission.....this at a time when we have more class young talent at our disposal than ever.
You are delusional - the Bok side is sold short in many ways.....probably on par with their winning %.....its a 50% Bok side.........half the players selected should not be anywhere near the side.
Coach57,555 posts
28 Jul 2015, 18:12
#7
28 Jul 2015, 18:12#7
Dave
Disaster is clueless - completely so. Just see what his backline selection looks like under another thread and you would realize he has a donkey-brain, making donkey-brain selections. That makes his comments on this site so hilarious - he gets worse every thread he posted on - with his misrepresentations and lies increasing correspondingly.
Better just laugh at his comments, knowing it is coming from a supreme idiot.
Disaster is clueless - completely so. Just see what his backline selection looks like under another thread and you would realize he has a donkey-brain, making donkey-brain selections. That makes his comments on this site so hilarious - he gets worse every thread he posted on - with his misrepresentations and lies increasing correspondingly.
Better just laugh at his comments, knowing it is coming from a supreme idiot.
sharkbok
Captain23,282 posts
Captain23,282 posts
28 Jul 2015, 18:18
#8
28 Jul 2015, 18:18#8
Meyers coaching record still places him as one of the better coaches. Pdivvy and Andre Makraaf are much worse coaches.
Jake White, Nick Mallett and Meyer are the best coaches since rugby went professional.
The rest were mostly not even SuperXV standard coaches.
Results are the measure of how good a coach is, not how many young players they select.
Jake White, Nick Mallett and Meyer are the best coaches since rugby went professional.
The rest were mostly not even SuperXV standard coaches.
Results are the measure of how good a coach is, not how many young players they select.
Captain30,741 posts
28 Jul 2015, 18:19
#9
28 Jul 2015, 18:19#9
I find him frustratingly amusing
Coach57,555 posts
28 Jul 2015, 18:37
#10
28 Jul 2015, 18:37#10
SB
Markgraaff and Du Plessis in a very short time built up a team that has beaten Australia and the British Lions by the widest margins ever. Mallett took over the team, made virtually no changes and used them to win 15 test matches in a row. He became unstuck totally when he had to start making replacements and his treatment of Teichmann was a horror-story.
Sure results are a measure of how good a coach is - but the issue is team selection and Meyer was not good at all. He ran back to the geriatrics and now we have a squad that is seriously defective and inexperienced as a result.
I think Meyer did develop in the job - but he also missed the boat completely with his putrid selections in critical cases. He should have worked on a squad that would represent us in the upcoming WC - and failed badly in that respect. Lets face it to experiment with players now - at this late stage before the WC - is not what is expected from a good coach.
Markgraaff and Du Plessis in a very short time built up a team that has beaten Australia and the British Lions by the widest margins ever. Mallett took over the team, made virtually no changes and used them to win 15 test matches in a row. He became unstuck totally when he had to start making replacements and his treatment of Teichmann was a horror-story.
Sure results are a measure of how good a coach is - but the issue is team selection and Meyer was not good at all. He ran back to the geriatrics and now we have a squad that is seriously defective and inexperienced as a result.
I think Meyer did develop in the job - but he also missed the boat completely with his putrid selections in critical cases. He should have worked on a squad that would represent us in the upcoming WC - and failed badly in that respect. Lets face it to experiment with players now - at this late stage before the WC - is not what is expected from a good coach.
Captain40,032 posts
28 Jul 2015, 19:12
#11
28 Jul 2015, 19:12#11
If Meyer gets his quality players back and drops matfiled the tide will turn in his favour. The gameplan is better and the talent exceptional. Currently at full strength and with decent offication we are about 20 points better than nz.However before we get carried away the question is how good are the pap kiwis!!
In other words oaks we are probably not measuring ourselves against the best.
Beeno providing food for thought.
In other words oaks we are probably not measuring ourselves against the best.
Beeno providing food for thought.
Pro2,288 posts
28 Jul 2015, 20:30
#12
28 Jul 2015, 20:30#12
Saffy raises the issue of how the Boks are playing then switches the topic to results after I provide a wholesome answer. These tools can never stay focused, always on the run.
Coach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2015, 02:43
#13
29 Jul 2015, 02:43#13
Disaster
The only imbecile is you. You now talked about "how the Boks are playing" at present, but in your team selection elsewhere you disregarded that issue completely and ran back to what they were before.
The failed players of the recent past like Morne Steyn, Francois Steyn, etc is your favourites still. What contribution have those donkeys and Matfield made to what was produced this month? Zero. What contribution would they have made if they were in the team still and answer is the same - zero.
The only imbecile is you. You now talked about "how the Boks are playing" at present, but in your team selection elsewhere you disregarded that issue completely and ran back to what they were before.
The failed players of the recent past like Morne Steyn, Francois Steyn, etc is your favourites still. What contribution have those donkeys and Matfield made to what was produced this month? Zero. What contribution would they have made if they were in the team still and answer is the same - zero.
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