Frans Steyn in Meyer's World Cup plans

I heard in an interview this morning with Heyneke Meyer, that Frans Steyn is definitely in his plans for the World Cup! I wonder if Meyer actually watches Super Rugby? 

 For God's sake he best not be...

Damn right Frans should be in any coaches plans......very obvious call  

Any player who performs should be in the WC plans of the coach - any coach who does not want to see poor performances is not a coach's backside and Steyn was piss poor over the last three years.   This better be just PR talk - and not reality.    

Its reality as Frans has always been good  

 When was this guy good during the past 3 years?  Not in the 2012 tests he played in.  Not in 2013 - when he was so poor that his coach dropped him after it became clear that he was no inside center - the coach said in fact he is no center.    Not when he was destructive of the Sharks backline and -
  *   when he was the worst attacking center or flyhalf in all teams in Super 15;  *   when he was the second worst defender with a missed tackle ratio of 26 of any SA no 12 in Super 15 last year; and  *   when he created a world record for ball possession losses in 2014 Super 15 - 32 of those.
Not this year - when eh was desperately poor in the matches he played and specialized in collecting cards in games - 1 yellow and 1 red in four games played, the red resulting in a ban for 4 years.
There was NOTHING good in performances over the past three years - so Dave's statement must be based on what he was before 2012.  Reputation selections without performance is an abomination.          

Best win record as a starting flyhalf in last year's S15. Fans can't grasp how the Steyn power bottles up opponents and denies forward momentum.  

One thing Frans is not and that is a fly half....its his worst position.

 Not. According to the results:
RE: Andre Esterhuizen switches position!
August 20, 2014, 07:30:07

So let me dispel this ignorant rubbish. Frans didn't start 10 games at flyhalf....the Sharks lost 4 or nearly half of those games. Frans did start 8 games at flyhalf, the Sharks won 7 of those games.

 

Sharks winning % without Frans at 10....60%

 

Sharks winning % with Frans at 10.....87.5%

 

The disaster was when Jake caved to Natal bias and played Lambie at 10 against the Saders. The Sharks only chance was to play Frans, the player who guided them to victory over the same team with 13 players on the field at times.

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 Mozart
Let me dispel most of your garbage.   There is no way that you can prove that the Sharks won their games because Steyn was the flyhalf - you yourself admitted there is no scientific base for the statement and that it is basically just not on.   The Sharks did win the majority of their games because of goal kicking and the penalties were not the result of any contribution by Steyn.   Virtually all kicks at goal he converted - bar perhaps a few long distance penalties - any decent goal kicker would have converted - so one has to look at his all-round performance as well.
It is in the latter case where the wheels comes off completely.  He was the worst defending flyhalf of any SA conference teams in Super 15, the worst giver away of ball possession, the worst attacking flyhalf as well.   Steyn is not a good decision-maker and his actions are slow.   His kicks - though long - were basically inaccurate (hence the record number of possession losses he recorded) and easily dealt with by the opposition teams.   In fact that is why he neutralized the whole Sharks backline during the 2014 season and there can be no disputing o the fact that the backline was not performing satisfactorily. 
Steyn is no flyhalf - he admitted himself that he does not want to play there unless forced to do so - and there are serious question marks about his performance at center as well.   He was even more ineffective at center than he was at flyhalf.  
The disaster really is when Steyn is in the backline of any team - the fact that the Sharks backline last year became totally ineffective was mostly the result of Steyn - whether eh played at center or at flyhalf.  
Why is it that you shy away from an actual statistical evaluation of his performance and concentrate on a totally unscientific deduction on your part?  I can give an answer - the fact that his actual performances on the field of play indicate a sub-par performance by the player - so some mythical reason should be found to justify support for him. 

Reputation and myth does not make a player - actual performances do - and Steyn's performances last year factually and supported by his individual stats proved that he was not up to standard.    Fact is the selection of Steyn in the Springbok squad for the WC would have a disastrous impact on the performances of the team.              
      

Looking good for abs. Matfield, Fsteyn, Spies, Alberts etc. :D

 Hope the AB's are not that lucky - but one never know what to expect from Meyer, it is terrible to have a dolt as a coach.  

Okay, fair enough Moz and Saff, you guys want Steyn at centre, at the expense of who? De Allande? Or Serfontein Saff? The point is, we have many 12's that are better. We lack 13's, and Steyn is not a 13.

Serfointain 12 De Allende 13 for me. Kriel is a fb keep him their.

 Dave
There are at present the following  no 12 centers better than Francois  Steyn:-
De Allende, Serfontein, Vorster, Odendaal, Francois Venter and Esterhuizen  - who are far better players than Francois Steyn is.  Why should he be in the Springbok squad ahead of the 6 players listed by me?     

Step against Wales. Four runs, 5 metres...no breaks, no defenders beaten two turnovers. Now his def enders will say he never got enough ball but the fact is he doesn't get himself in position to get good ball.

 

 

CSerfontein0/000/0/450002 5/10/000/0

CSerfontein0/001/5/10240101 8/30/000/0Cde Allende0/101/4/11571702 6/11/020/0Step vs de Allende , man on man this year...why pick the guy who makes 2.4 metres per carry and beats one player in ten runs ...over the player who makes 5 metres a carry and beats 7 defendes un 11 runs. 

Step vs the Canes

 

CSerfontein0/000/5/590010 6/30/000/0

 

 

Step vs the Sharks

 

CSerfontein1/050/4/4230100 7/00/010/0

 

 

 

 

S tep vs the Cheetahs 

 

 

 

Serfontein1/050/6/6230212 11/30/000/0

Step vs the Force

 

CSerfontein0/000/4/4241000 8/10/010/0

 

Next game, Odendaal vs the Saders, spot the difference

 

COdendaal1/051/3/8451803 9/10/000/0

 

Same team, better opposition, consecutive weeks.  

Where is the beef?  

 Mozart
As far as I can read this the thread is about Francois Steyn and his potential candidacy for selection for the Springboks.  You quoted strings of stats about Serfontein, but have refrained from quoting the stats of Fransie  - one wonders why? 
I will do you a favour and quote Fransie's stats to help you"=
Stormers
Steyn0/002/4/6700228/20/031/0
Cheetahs
Steyn1/051/5/61902114/20/010/0
Crusaders
Steyn0/001/2/1100011/20/020/1
Force
Steyn0/1013/9/84900127/20/000/0

Allow me to say that I am not overly impressed by the stats:
Ball carries  :   21   Meters gained  :   76  :  Average gain  :  3,6Line Breaks  :   NoneDefenders Beaten :  2Possession losses :  6Penalties            :   6Tackles made   :   20  :  Tackles missed  :  8  : Ratio =  28,8Yellow Card      :    1Red Card         :     1
Fair question - are the above stats what you expect from a test player?   
  

Frans always has poor stats,  it's the things the stats don't measure that make him effective....the big hits, the offloads, the massive boot. You can't capture Steyn in a line of stats. Step you can....and it's not good reading.

 The big hits - when there has been none this year. The off-loads - mostly inaccurate and totally ineffective without any ability to create space for other players .  The big boot - totally inaccurate and aimless kicking is a major problem constantly leading to possession losses, territory losses and putting his team under tremendous pressure to defend against counter-attacks.
Try again - the poor stats are similar to last year and the year before and the tests of 2012.
You do not need to find vague justifications for a player whose performance on the field of play is constantly poor - a fact confirmed by stats.   The further problem is that if you use stats - you use them for all players - not selectively.      

Not vague....a much higher winning percentage when Frans  plays flyhalf for the Sharks. 

 That notion without any scientific basis whatsoever has been proven as tommyrot repeatedly and does not help in the evaluation of player performance and is no basis for the selection of a team.