Give Ackerman and Swys the Bok job

Hell that Lions side is on fire playing a beautiful game.
How the hell is Jaco Kriel not a Bok and playing 6 for the Boks today. Makes Louw look like a pretender.

Howard Mnisi at 12 has it all. Given all the politics in our rugby good old Meyer has missed out on a gem here. Now that he has established himself in the team he is playing with freedom and confidence. Great attacking skill set....he is at the heart of the Lions thrust.....either setting up those around him or scoring tries himself.
Lorens Erasmus has been a great find at lock to partner Mostert.
At long last in Malcolm Marx we have found a replacement for Bismark and Strauss.
Add Vorster, Faf and Jantjies for the next S15 and I predict big things from this Lions side.
I really like Notshe of WP....great flanker with an attacking spirit.

 Dave 
I would rather play Notshe at 8 next year than Carr - the laytyter was disappointing this year.
What I did see in CC thus far is the massive number of youngsters coming through for the Super Rugby next year.  I am optimistic that the new coaches will produce a breath of fresh air in the system - the days of the geriatrics and reputation players - being friends of the coaches - are gone.
By the way do you know that Nollis Marais was appointed to replace Ludeke as the Bulls coach - another breath of fresh air clearly in evidence.
The Cheetahs are also beginning to show improvement with Franco Smith as coach.  The only problem case remaining is Gold.
    

As long as he picks the players you like, right? Otherwise he'll be known as "useless Ackers" in less than a season. 

 

Ackermans work with the Lions is admirable in a sense, but not a good model for test rugby. 

 DF
I think you have it all wrong in this case.   Ackerman took over as coach when the Lions team was dead broke and with the older players being the reason for the perpetual wooden spoon status of the Lions.  
He then did something most coaches do not dare to undertake - clean out the cupboard and get rid of the habitual match losers - making a fresh start with the team.  he picked a new captain and squad and after a year came back from the rugby wilderness and started playing Super Rugby with a squad that had no big name players,  In 2014 the newbies did not do well enough - but surprisingly beat some top teams in the tournament.  However, this year the rookies of last year did much better after a bad start - losing three matches in a row.  If they even won one of those matches they would have eben the top SA team in the series.  
They were so goo that they were constantly favoured to win matches on The Breakdown - the rugby programme of New Zealand - even when playing NZ teams.
That is what amounts to constructive team building.  They beat the team just left behind when Coetzee left them after the latest Super rugby season by huge margins. Coetzee was over the last few years in fact not successful at all and one wonders what he would achieve on test level with his record on Super 15 level.  You just had to look at what happened in the play-offs against the brumbies this year to see what he brought WP rugby to.  Bad news that one.
In my book test rugby is nowadays won by being dominating or at least be competitive u fro0nt amongst the forwards and using the backline players to top advantage.  This is where Ackerman was successful - he took the no-name players and turned them into the most effective backline players imaginable by decent coaching.   That was made clear when a youngster Harold Vorster - who only started playing Super Rugby was rated higher in that competition than seasoned professionals like SBW, Nonu and Conrad Smith in the tournament performance rankings.  
I think that Ackerman is a much cleverer and better coach than people often tend to rate him.   He is not a flashy guy - but clearly a good leader and coach.   What is clear is that he is not a type of coach addicted to the "team selection on reputation culture" and the reputation players must still produce the goods or are shown the door.  He would never select players like Pienaar, Alberts, Matfield and other has-beens and never-has beens to play in any team coached by him.
However, he has done one thing which none of the other SA coaches managed to do - and that is to play the style of rugby required as a result of the 2008 rule changes.   Meyer and other SA coaches spoke about it - but never succeeded in implementing it.   That is why our rugby start lagging behind badly in test and Super Rugby and that adjustment in SA rugby is long overdue.    We will never be competitive on higher levels if we persist with the kind of rugby played at present with a crew of players who cannot adjust their stodgy performance style.  
I would have no qualms if he is to replace Meyer.  A breath of fresh air removing the geriatric cobwebs (reputation players lacking performance)  present in the Springbok team will just do the trick and take SA Rugby to the level where we are supposed to be and that definitely is not being the 5th or 6th rated team in World rugby - proof that the Meyer years was a road to no-where - a real disaster for SA Rugby.                      

Ackerman uses a spread pattern which relies on quickly ball. Test rugby demands mir physicality at the breakdown. Especially against the NH teams. This style was exposed when Cheika first became coach and he later conceded that concessions had to be made for the Wallabies to be successful. 

 I will give you two quick examples - the Wallabies beat both the Springboks and the All Blacks in Super 15 this year.   That is the way Ireland beat teams over the past two years in the 6 Nations and that is the way more and more successful teams have adjusted to over the past few years, 
Coetzee's game plan was nowhere near anything substantial.  Since he had no decent players outside De Allende he this year had a two prong game plan - kick the sh!t out of any ball that came to the backline - or hurried to get the ball to De Allende to see whether he can get anything constructive done.  That was his total game plan summed up in one sentence.   
That game plan was known to all opponents and they worked it out years ago and knew exactly how to deal with it.  Incidentally a smart gameplan allows for the scoring of tries as well - something only achieved in rare cases by the Stormers/WP. 
I do not think that Ackerman use anything other than the rule book of World Rugby and adjusted hsi game plan accordingly - Eloff was from an era long gone when the rules of rugby allows for a different type of game to be played.    

Actually, Australia and Ireland play nothing like the Lions.

Ackerman does well in the Curry Cup because the Lions have no Boks- so they retain most oft their team.
The Lions are basement dwellers of SuperXV rugby- and Ackermans Lions scraped most of their wins last year. 

SB
So they were ahead of the Bulls, the Sharks and the Cheetahs on the Super Rugby log this year - so what are you talking about?     

 DF
People who believe nothing has changed since 2008 are not living in the real world.   The rule changes in 2008 has had a drastic effect on the way the game is played in every country in the world.  You have apparently not looked at any NH games for a while - their playing style changed drastically over the last few years as well.   
What you also do not realize is that De Jongh and Kolbe cannot compete with the much stronger physical players and you blaming De Allende for the flop of the Stormers backline is ridiculous - so your whole argument falls flat on that account.  Some of the best games the backline played in Super 15 was in games where De Jongh did not play.  He remains one of the biggest liabilities in the Stormers backline.  As long as he is there nothing could be expected from that backline since he has no punch and only speed and defense against bigger players is a major problem.  His defensive stats remain the worst of any 13 in Super Rugby in 2014 - nothing changed this year.  
    

Typical useless Fox....he wants to back the utterly useless Coetzee as the next Bok coach  

 Dave
I have read with constant amazement that  Desert Fox and Mozart claims that the rue changes implemented by the then IRB in 2008 had no impact on the style of rugby to be played at present.  That is a crazy statement and hark back to the early 2000's when the Bulls forwards got the upper hand in rugby played.  
Since 2010 - when the truth really hit home in other teams and they started implementing those rules constructively our rugby has been in decline and it has not yet sunk in that we are indeed flogging a dead horse.
They are also attached like glue to the 2007 WC team and cannot understand that the top players then are not the top players at present.  That makes it impossible to discuss rugby with those two.   They are completely out of date with their ideas and cannot face up to the fact that things changed.
In a way I am sorry for them - they are just not up to date anymore and they look with blinkers at the players that they favouir nd do not want to see or accept their failure.
I have seen how the Japanese props pushed back Samoa in scrums - same as they did with Beast and especially with Jannie - and then Jannie achieved nothing in scrumming against Samoa as well.  So is Jannie not one of the weak links in the SA team?  Mozart will flip a disc if anyone say that.   
    

 
As usual ... clueless Fox talking through his bum.

Coetzee is as useless as Meyer ... but rather him than taking my boys away from the Lions.

Leave them be.

Johan Ackermann (and Swys) has done well, but regarding the backline, the jury is still out and I just have a feeling that the influence of Carlos Spencer is/was underestimated. It seems that he is doing not too bad at the Kings.

 great points guys....
meyer's time is up in my view and only a foolish decision to extend his contract.
on his possible replacements i do feel ackermann is the right guy to take us forward but its just to soon in my view. i would like him to build for maybe another 5 years with the lions then maybe make the logical next step.
we lack depth in sa coaching and i do feel we need more foreign coaches in our local system to right the wrongs. 
ever since elv's were introduced we have just not kept up and major radical changes are needed and we should start from the top in my view.
i wont mind seeing plumtree taking the post

 I would prefer to have a local coach in charge of the national team.
After all we have produced many great coaches over the years such as:
Div, Gold, Meyer, Coetzee and a few others who have done zero to raise SA rugby to the standard demanded with the talent available to them.
Ackerman has been great for the Lions in the CC but he has been fortunate to have a full strength squad as opposed to the other unions having to give up players for the national squad.
Not sure if he is ready to take on the top position yet.....but I do think he is eventually going to get it.

The Lions had their best season in like 50 years- and they finished 8th or something in SuperXV.  It is hardly any bench mark to select a coach. They go into the Curry Cup with all their SuperXV players.
The probably played a few B teams in SuperXV this year - as the Lions have allways been seen as an opportunity to rest players for New Zealand and Australian teams.
Meyer won the SuperXV and built a team that got another 2 trophies. 

 SB
With respect - I do not agree with you on this one.   They did not play any so-called B - teams in Super 15 - and my opinion is that Ackerman build up a very good squad of no big name players in a relatively short time.    

His main achievement to my mind was to get rid of the traditional match losers in the Lions squad and that is what Meyer failed to do in the Springbok squad.  

Sharktwat......why not catch a wake up and look at the players Ackerman and Swys get to work with compared to the Stormers, Bulls and Sharks.
There is a reason these 3 regions provide the most Boks......they have by far the best squads.
What Ackers and co are doing is producing great results with limited resources. Swys is the brains behind the Lions success so lets be clear here, the Bok job should actually go to Swys, but he and Ackers obviously work well together so should come as a team.
Imagine what Ackerman and Swys de Bryn could do with the likes of:
Willie, Andries Coetzee, Gellant, Taute, JP, Habana, Senatla, v/Wyk, Kolbe, Sithole, Ulengo, Jordaan, Rhule, Combrink, Mjekevu, Petersen, Skosan, de Allende, Kriel, Serfontein, Mapoe, Mnisi, Odendaal, Vorster, Esterhuizen, Swanepoel, Kotze, Stokkies, Janse v/Rensburg, Frans Venter, Frans Steyn, JJ, Howard, Jantjies, Boshoff, Cat, Goosen, Pollard, Lambie, du Preez, v/d Walt, Schoeman, Hougaard, Schrauder, Faf, Groom, v/Zy, Paige, Reinach, Coenie, Kitshoff, S.v/d Merwe, Engelbrecht, Schoeman, Wilco Louw, Malherbe, Kebble, Marcel, Beast, du Toit, Nyakane, Koch, Bismark, Strauss, Scara, Coetzee, Cooper, Ackers, Marx, Mbonambi, Etzebeth, PSDT, Kleyn, Ruan Botha, Lewies, Mostert, Erasmus, Willemse, Jacques du Plessis, Lood, Jenkins, RG Snyman, Wegner, Oosthuizen, Kolisi, Carr, Elstadt, Notshe, Cloete, Brussouw, Vermeulen, Labs, Liebenberg, Kriel, Oupa, v/d Walt, Mtembu, Arno Botha, CJ Stander, Coetzee, Whiteley, Cook, Smit, de Wit, Schalk and Kwagga 

 The one problem is that two many of our present Springbok squad has been coached into the "Stampkar"  type of rugby.  Many of the existing players will not be able to adjust to play modern rugby.   So it is better for them to go.    

Wrong Mike, players that get to the highest level have a high skill set. It would not take much to empower the players to play with the freedom to express themselves and trust their talents.
Hell just look what happened to Jacques Potgieter when he moved from the Bulls to the Tahs