Gresham's Law

 What the hell has this stupid comment to/ do with rugby - skebenge?

Woosh  

 Mozart is a skebenge - Mozart is a skebenge - Mozart is a skebenge

 Guess who has learned a new Zulu word, or did he learn it from his chommie, Jacob Zuma?

 No I have known the word for decades - but have never used it on this site - because it implies the worst insult anybody can use against another human being.  Mozart just qualified for it.- 

 Mike & Moz, I enjoy your needling of one another, but it is sad when it becomes nasty. The nastiness is just about to boil over.

 I did not put it past you to try and find the worst insult for people that you disagree with. It is your style after all.

Actually I wouldn't worry....I don't know what it means, and in any case the day I take anything Moronic says seriously would be a dark day indeed. His turn to the scummy side merely exposes what I always knew was just beneath the surface.  

 Moz & Vlag, it seems that Mike only bothers the two of you enough to constantly take him on. Yes he responds in kind and instigates more often than not. Not blaming anyone of you or him, but to mee it seems that there needs to come a time where one must decide to let it go. I wonder who will be first, one of you two or Oom Mike?
Mike, I don't call you "Oom" to needle you. You are A f r I k a a n s and about the same age my dad was 2 years ago when he passed away. If the "Oom" bothers you, tell me and I won't use the term again.

 By all accounts and according to Afr tradition, I should also be calling him Oom but in my books the term is also used as a form of respect. 

 I've got respect for Mike, and it's clear that you and Moz don't AND that he doesn't respect you two either. No blame on either side, it's just the way it turned out.

 Mozart
About two months ago we made an agreement not to be insulting each other on this site - we can differ, but then we must do so respectfully and accept that people have different ideas.   I kept to the undertaking strictly - and never made any personal or degrading attacks on you or anyone else on this site.
Insofar as I am concerned - whenever you broke the agreement I pleaded with you not to go overboard and keep to our agreement.   However, you became nastier and nastier in later postings - and even then I responded mildly and still did not respond.
It was only when you punted an outright lie that I wrote about Amla to be dropped  - something I never said and you could not prove as a result - and you tried all the sidetracking routes possible without success - that I lost my temper and told you off.
Since then you have been writing posts with nothing else as an objective than to insult and belittle me.  That shows a really vicious characteristic deficiency on your part.   In my case you said you always knew what was below the surface - in your case it was not below the surface and always clear for everyone to see.
I am prepared to go back to our agreement and keep to it - but do not expect that it would be acceptable to you.   
   

So you call me a vicious character and then suggest we call another truce. It seems to me that's compromised from the word go. But here is a simple solution .....don't respond to my posts and I won't respond to yours. As things stand I couldn't write the sky is blue without you having a hissyfit.
Just go your own way.

 Mozart
What did you mean by the following:-
"His turn to the s[removed]my side merely exposes what I always knew was just beneath the surface."

That is what I responded on - maybe I should not have been so explicit.  But then we had an agreement - you started breaking it repeatedly and became more nasty as you made responses to my posts.  Ultimately I lost my cool when you went completely overboard - so who is to blame for the present scenario?
I am not differing from you on issues  such as you write "As things stand I couldn't write the sky is blue without you having a hissyfit."  I mostly do not respond to to items at times started by you on non-rugby related issues - and where I differ I give logical explanations of why I differ.  I do not throw hissy-fits - and until you broke our agreement so blatantly with a completely fabricated story about Amla - I did not attack you personally for months.
You need not respond to my posts - but you cannot stop me from responding to yours.
As I said - I am prepared to bury the hatchet and forget about your recent personal attacks on me and keep to my side of the bargain.  That means I differ from you on RUGBY issues - but refrain from personal attacks.       
   

 Guys, give up, it's not in your nature to be civil to each other. Accept it and move on...or not...whatever. 

Funny stuff - put skebenge in Google and this thread is the first result that pops up from the whole internet universe 
I think its supposed to be skabenga - rascal, scalawag.

Hahaha....he even got that wrong? Poor old coot, I'd give him a  biscuit but for the risk of him biting the hand that feeds him. 

 Ja, oi oi mate ....... I googled & got told the spelling was wrong .

Trending: Man savagely stabbed with a herring. Two old codgers finally had had enough of each other & uncontrolled violence ensued. Are there no limits ?

Which one is Mozart?

 You can in Zulu spell it a variety of ways and I used one variation - the others being skebenga, xebengo, etc.
It goes back to Zulu culture and in their culture it means not only rascal or scalawag, but in fact hyena, vulture, liar and thief.   If you call a Zulu to his face he is a  skebenge, you are 70% likely to end up in a coffin.   
Incidentally in 1987 we had an illegal strike by municipal electricity workers and I called the chief organiser a skebenge to his face.   I was protected by armed municpal police and although he went wild nothing happened.   About 20 years later I was flying from Johannesburg to Durban and - even though I did not recognize him - the gentleman sitting next to me was the guy I called a skebenge.  He greeted me quite civilly and reminded me of the strike - but not what I called him.   He turned out to be a senior official of the SA Municipal Workers Union and during the flight he told me his mother died in Groutville - near to where I was staying.  I then offered him a lift to his mother's house in Groutville and we have been on friendly terms ever since.
Incidentally Groutville was named after an American missionary whose church became owners of the property in 1846 - a substantial area in fact.   The 1840's was a turbulent time in Zululand and a substantial numbers of residents fled from there and became Christianized.   The Reverend Grout insisted that the people who settled there should get their own sub-divisions of the farm and the properties thus created became privately owned.   They also developed a system where a tribal chief was elected.   Two of the most fervent Christians were the parents of Albert Luthuli - who was eventually elected as Chief in Groutville  and leader of the ANC.  However, Albert Luthuli was not borne in Groutville - before his birth his parents went to do missionary work in Matebeleland - at present part of Zimbabwe.   He was borne there and after his father's death - his mother came back from there in 1912, when he was already in his teens.   
In the late 1980's I was doing a lot of welfare work in Groutville and became a friend of Edgar Luthuli - the youngest son of Chief Albert Luthuli - and his sister Dr Albertina Luthuli.   When Edgar Luthuli died in 1992 - there was a huge funeral service attended by senior representatives of the ANC and by Chief Buthelezi.   During the church service various people was called upon to give addresses - I was one of those called to do so.   I eventually was asked by the Luthuli family to become a trustee of the Albert Luthuli Trust - but ultimately had to resign from the Trust.   
The education facility known as the Albert Luthuli Center constructed by the Trust  in Groutville - the building of which was done under my supervision as a Trustee - is at present the  satellite campus of the Umfolozi Technical College in Groutville.   When the foundation stone of he center was laid by Mandela in 1995 - the Chairman of the Trust asked me to stand up and I was praised by him for my efforts to raise the money and have the center constructed.    
Another interesting thing stemming from my association with the Luthuli family happened after 1999.   At the time there was a need for the construction of a private hospital in Ballito.  Five applications by various potential developers were  submitted to the NPA for a hospital operating licence - but nothing happened for three years.   Dr Albertina Luthuli - at the time a Member of Parliament - was living in Ballito and I asked her if she does not think Ballito needs a private hospital.  She agreed and I then asked her if I write five letters to the NPA authorities to be handed over to  each of the five applicants - supporting the applications submitted - would she sign the letters.  She did sign the letters and later on personally asked the Director - General of Health to expedite the response.   A license was consequently granted and the present Alberlito Hospital (named in part after Dr Luthuli) was constructed.   The street in which the Hospital is situated is also called Albertina Street.                                         

 It all sounds like a red herring to me

Thanks for that Oumaaik ...... nou weet ek mos & a good read as well .

 Great post Mike and well done for your contribution re the events above. 

Unbelievable, another perfect example of Gresham's law, and painfully embarrassing self promotion.

 I never promote myself - what I write is factual and true.   What is absent in me is real nastiness  which you have in abundance.   I do not need self-promotion - the facts of what I have done for the people in the area - especially the poor -speak for themselves.   
You are welcome to make enquiries from Dr Albertina Luthuli about the veracity of all the above facts.  You are welcome to ask the people of Etete, Nobongo and  Shakasshead who was responsible for converting those shack settlements to proper towns with electricity, water and sewerage systems and for construction of more than 7000 homes.   Poor housing - but ten times better than the shacks they lived in before.
When the then Ballito Municipality won the South Africa  National Housing Award in 2000 there was a huge gathering of more than 2000 guests in the International Conference Center in Durban.   What I did not know before the evening was that the Municipal Manager - aware of my conflicts with the Councillors about the township developments mentioned  - asked the singer present to  mention my name and to sing a song in my honour - the song was "I did it my way".   Now that stooge Mozart is what you could call self-promotion, but it in fact it is exactly what  did happen as I described it.
So keep it up - and know that I tread your nonsense with the disdain it deserve.         
I do not need anything from you and your kind and that is a fact.           

Any other war stories of the good old days in the Provincial Administration you would like to share?  

 Look - get it into your thick skull - I NEVER worked for the Provincial Administration.  But then - I must accept that you are too stupid to realize the difference between various levels of Government in SA. 
Anyway - I did mention some things above to show you how petty your comments are and how much of a joke in fact they are.  
So keep it up and show how bad it is to attack people whose background and personality you know zero about - it makes you look like an utter.   I am prepared to bury the hatchet if you stop your personal and nasty attacks and start being an adult and not a juvenile in your conduct.    

Not even provincial....a township  level bureaucrat. But how about a few more war stories....schools you saved, cemeteries you protected, dams you had built. 

 I do not tell stories - I repeat the truth to show you up for the  petty character you really are.  
Well lets face facts - you know near to zero about rugby and the only thing you can be sure to punt is the age issue about sportsmen in general - not a word about performance as a norm for international selection. 
The same applies to other codes of sport - where you are in the habit of constantly slagging off players and of promoting he elderly.   
When a person reads your comments on rugby issues it really shows how shallow your knowledge of he sport really is.   One only have to realize your fascination with age of rugby players and total disregard for their real performances to realize that. 
You may have become a very wealthy person - but that on its own is not a standard for evaluating a persons personality and achievements.  Until such times as there is another part dealing with human advancement and relationships - there is something seriously amiss.   Trying to boss people around on this site around is certainly showing bad taste and a bad attitude.  A superiority complex out of control.
I can tell you a lot about schools and dams as well - but then it is like wasting time in  trying to deal with a grunting self-centered pig.     
 
          

Moronic there is nothing you can say about me that would raise my blood pressure one point. I regard you as a buffoon, a liar and a shameful exaggerator of your own history. So what you say is merely a source of amusement, and by the way, I don't think you ever played a cricket match in your life.

 You may regard me as whatever you quoted - but there is ample evidence that  you are the worst liar I have come across in my whole life  and  the "shameful exaggerator of your own history"  statement is just another proof of that.  You know zero about me, zero about anything pertaining to rugby and  cricket and like me you have never been a professional rugby or cricket player. 
I did play rugby and cricket in my youth - so that is another "I think" blown out of the water.
Look fool - if there ever was a buffoon and self--centered pig on this site - it is you.   You may be surprised, but there are more people on this site who agrees with me about my opinion as to what you really are than you may think.   So carry on and continue to make an utter fool of yourself.  It is at least funny and excellent material to laugh at. 

Seconds out . Round 144  .... moermekaar .

 

Must say Mike you have an impressive ability to remember dates, people and events in great detail. I envy you. My dad is the same way
I think the internet and smartphones has weakened the ability to focus and memory of my generation. Too much information readily available and easily looked up and always multi-tasking. My smartphone has made me dumber, but can't survive without it

Yep the OOm remembers getting the hospital approved in 2002, after he persuaded a member parliament to support a hospital she never knew was needed. It appears this was a big revelation! Still it's a little odd that the hospital was announced only in  2004 and then only as a design project still to be completed
If it was approved in 2002, why was it only announced as a project in 2004 Moronic? And do you really believe Albertina Luthuli had no clue a hospital was needed until you sidled up to her and pointed it out.
Just curious, it's such a heart warming story we have to pin down a few pesky details. Right now I'm thinking you have glamorized your role a little. Cast yourself in a starring role, whereas you really had no speaking lines?

ARTICLECOMMENTSOTHER NEWSRESEARCHMAGAZINEMAY 28, 2004New hospital planned for Ballito

   Mozart - the thick doos
Do you understand anything?  Dr Luthuli is a medical doctor and understood the need for a hospital perfectly.   How spiteful and vicious can you be dunce?  
The situation is that you know nothing about the background of the hospital application and the issue at all.   I thought it was 2002 - but it could have been a year later - so what difference did that make - Dofdoos?   Anyway whatsoever you wrote about anything must always be treated with the utmost disgust it deserves.


 

 Moz & Mike, this is getting fat beyond stupid.

I agree stick to rugby Moronic, hell you will be Florence Nightingale next!