Gresham's Law

 Because I did come up with the idea - MP's are not always aware of the complications in the administrative field - so you are the "dofste doos" in the world for not realizing that.  Once I wrote the letters, which she signed the project was on the roll.     

So nobody else noticed they never had a local hospital. Come off he grass. This is a pathetic effort at self promotion with a factually incorrect time line. My guess is if you are looking for a party that made it a reality,  look no further than Netcare the largest private hospital group in the country....which operates  Ballito  hospital.

Mozart
Are you entirely stupid - do you know that Netcare does not construct hospitals you bloody brain-sh!tted fool.   The constructors of the hospitals - the owners of the facilities - enters into contracts with Netcare or other operators to operate the hospital.
Netcare did not submit the application - Gerhard Pretorius did.   The only role of Netcare or other private hospital operators have in such applications is a letter to the effect that they will operate the hospital if constructed according to their requirements. The successful applicant for the licence to construct the hospital was done by a Mr Pretorius who have constructed numerous private hospitals in SA and who has operating agreements with different hospital operators of which Netcare is just one.  I can provide you with his phone number and you can check the facts as stated with him - you stupid old fool.
The roll of Dr Luthuli and myself was to get the Government to/ react to the long-delayed application submitted years before.   And it was successful as well. 
What a bloody fool you are.  My suggestion is that you stop talking drivel about something you know nothing about - and that includes rugby and cricket.   
    
    

 Bloody liar - you still don't get it stupid idiot.   The issue here is that Gerhard Pretorius has developed a number of private hospitals and dealt with them through architectual design.   The construction of the hospital was quite advanced by the time he finally decided on which operator - in this case Netcare - would operate the hospital.   He new what is required by all operators of private hospitals in SA and before the final agreement with Netcare was signed he considered other options as well.
If you knew anything of the system then you would not go totally bananas as you have gone in this case.  I understand and know more about business and implementation plans for construction of public facilities (which incidentally includes private hospitals) than you would ever know in  your life.  I told you I would provide you with the telephone number of the developer - so you could find out the real way things are done - but since you are too besotted with your own self-importance you carry on regardless.
I have come across unpleasant people in my life - but you take the cake.  What you wrote are constant personal attacks on others.  I am beginning to agree with Rooinek - you are a buffoon of the first order, a fool and a person whose ego-trips has spun out of control thinking you know better than anybody else.  That is why all your contributions on  this site is so ridiculous.   Your contributions on rugby and cricket issues are so uninformed it is really a joke in bad taste.   

 

 Why don't you want to know about the largest developer of Private Hospitals in SA - idiot -  you can contact him and ask him about the process followed and how the whole system works.  His surname is Pretorius - not Prinsloo - you stupid dog.  
You now seems to allege that he does not know what he is doing - what a bloody idiot you are.  The planning and design is done by his Consulting team - it is natural that he would have one.  But no planning and design is done before the necessary licence is provided by the Government and that licence was not granted for years until Dr Luthuli and myself came on board.
Are you too stupid to realize that, dunce?

Your story changes with every post....now Prinsloo is not a person he is a consulting firm.          Okay Moronic I get it, this is one of your fantasies, believe what you like....but I recognize a crock when I see one.  

 Who the hell is Prinsloo?  Where did you get his name - I do not know of a single person by that name involved in anything.   
My story never changed a word - it was consistent about the involvement of Dr Luhtuli and myself in the process.    It is the  doldrums you ended up creating yourself, by the constant harping on totally  false and clueless issues - that is confusing your mind and making  you see things that is really nowhere - like inventing Mr Prinsloo.   I saaume that you are referring to Gerhard Pretorius by any chance - dunce?   

Assume what you like Walter Mitty.  

 Still hallucinating - now invented Walter Mitty in his befuddled mind.   

 Still hallucinating - now invented Walter Mitty in his befuddled mind.   

Oops, here we have the truth. The hospital was seen as essential, no OOm arm twisting needed and it was designed by some Vogas  bloke. No mention of the OOm dragging a reluctant local bureaucracy over the line.
"She said that a luxury hotel to cater for tourists visiting South Africa for cosmetic surgery is to be developed in Zimbali and this, coupled with the growing population of families and retirees, makes the establishment of the hospital essential for the area.

Basil Vogas, MD of the specialist healthcare company, PhD Professional Healthcare Design, which has been commissioned to design the hospital, said that all these diverse requirements will be considered in the design of the hospital, which will have finishes and facilities equivalent to that of a five-star hotel."
What a crock Moronic tried to pull here....no doubt he wrote a few letters to his Provincial admin buddies, but the whole thing was a slam dunk.
And this is .....game, set and match.

 Voertsek liar - You are dreaming about a statement made  by Dr Luthuli long after the steps we took in making the licence granted to construct a private hospital .  One of the things I told her about was the development of a facility in Zimbali by Tongaat-Hulett - which was not really publicized earlier.
Why don't ask your hallucinating Prinsloo whether he appointed the consultants mentioned in the above report.
I never in my life looked for publicity and I never made media statements on issues either - so why should I have done that in this case.   

What a big bloody fart you are. So Voertsek again - liar and deception specialist.   

So Dr Luthuli was lying? I think we have hit rock bottom  here. What you liars don't get is that with the Internet lots of things can be easily uncovered. if you were a player at all, you were a bit player. Here is the preceding paragraph...enjoy!
Luthuli has given her blessing to the development of the hospital, saying that the provision of sound healthcare facilities in the area will further enhance the area’s envisaged growth and contribute directly to the creation of permanent job opportunities.

She said that a luxury hotel to cater for tourists visiting South Africa for cosmetic surgery is to be developed in Zimbali and this, coupled with the growing population of families and retirees, makes the establishment of the hospital essential for the area.

Basil Vogas, MD of the specialist healthcare company, PhD Professional Healthcare Design, which has been commissioned to design the hospital, said that all these diverse requirements will be considered in the design of the hospital, which will have finishes and facilities equivalent to that of a five-star hotel.

 Who was the so-called hospital spokesman?  Stupid.  I never said the spokesman lied.  I never said anything about my role in the issue other than what really happened.  For some reason or another you went bananas.   I know things can be uncovered on the internet, but what you posted  was total misleading baloney - eg like Netcare being a constructor of hospital facilities - a newspaper report months after the licence was approved by  Government - and other issues not related to the original application I wrote about.   
It was a veneer of misleading info to be used as another personal attack on me because of what I wrote originally.   By the way dunce - I did not mention that I wrote the Municipal report - which became part of the licence application - given an update on all municipal data - such as economic development in process or planned, municipal infrastructure availability and population growth which became part of the initial application by Pretorius.
But lets leave this issue alone now - you have made too big of a fool of yourself already.               

Well let me summarize. You claimed nobody was pushing this and Dr Luthuli had to be encouraged by you. That the only other  party involved was somebody called Pretorius.
Turns out it was "essential for the area" according to Luthuli.
That the approval date was 2004  not 2002 as you claimed.
That the hospital was designed by a third party,  Professional Healthcare Design who in all likelihood consulted with Netcare and other operators who could be interested.
This was a project supported because it was logical and designed by healthcare professionals. You were a bit player and your description of events has nothing to do with the reports in various publications. 
Okay now we can leave it alone.

  Because I was writing out of memory and got the date wrong by a year on something that happened more th an a decade ago - that is something you are making a lot about. 
Because you were clueless about issues and tried to find something totally inappropriate in an effort to try and discredit me - your wrote books about.   Still you continued now with absolute rubbish and absolute BS so let em explain something you missed out completely:-
*   Gergard Pretorius - who has constructed a number of private hospitals throughout SA - applied for a licence to construct a hospital i.n Ballito.
*   In the process he consulted with me on the issue - this happened years before the incident I mentioned in this thread involving Dr Luithuli and myself and was the discussion of the topic under this threat - and I provided him with a municipal support report dealing with the issue from a municipal perspective.
*   About four years later I met Mr Pretorius and asked him what happened to the hospital licence application and he told me it was stuck - together with four other competing applications - in the offices of the Department of Health.
*   I then decided to take up the matter with Dr Luthuli and suggested a way forward to get some action from the Government on the issue and suggested the way forward as described consistently by me.  Dr Luthuli took up the matter personally with the Director General of Health - a Professor Greenwood-Thompson - as well.   Within three months afterwards the required licence pertaining to the project was approved.
*   The formation of a company to deal specifically with the project followed - and Mr Pretorius as principal shareholder - after I introduced Dr Luthuli to him - offered Dr Luthuli as a medical doctor a seat on the Board of Directors of the company.  She in fact served as chairwoman of the company for a number of years and when Parliament issued a code of conduct for MP's insofar as private business interests are concerned -  Dr Luthuli resigned from the Board of Directors.   There was no clash of public interest in this case with her functions as MP.
*   Once the company was formed - a consortium of consultants were appointed - the leader of which was Professional Healthcare Design - there were numerous other sub-consultancies involved dealing with issues such as structural engineering, electricity installations, town planning to comply with municipal building design requirements, gas installations, kitchen design, etc (Pretorius mentioned to me that a hospital design consultancy has about 20 sub-consultants dealing with specific areas of concern).  This Consultancy team was appointed only after the Licence approval was granted - appointing Consultants before that could have represent losses of millions of rand by the owners of the company formed as all efforts may be an exercise in futility if the licence was not granted.  The said team has done numerous private hospitals in SA and would not consult any company like Netcare or competing companies on the design at all.
*     Once the hospital was under Construction the development company entered into negotiations with Netcare and other competing institutions as to operation of the facility under construction - there are various competing firms in strong competition with each other for such projects - and ultimately the development company decide on Netcare in this case.    
*    After the main construction process were competed the Municipal building inspectors raised a number of objections on minor issues - such as signs on doors, etc. and refused to issue an occupation certificate for the hospital causing a delay of nearly three months.   Pretorius then approach me for assistance again and after I submitted the matter to Council, it was approved that a temporary occupation certificate be granted to allow for the hospital to make the minor adjustments that was holding up the opening of the hospital.   That temporary licence was converted to a permanent licence six months after the hospital in fact came into operation.
I did never mention anything about the whole process followed - other than to refer briefly to the role Dr Luthuli and myself play in getting Government to grant the necessary licence, nothing else.   That was enough to send you on a crusade as to blacken the names of the Developer, Dr Luthuli and everyone else you could imagine possible  - to discredit everybody - specifically aimed at me in particular. 
I now gave a full description of  what really happened in this case to show other site members how you have tried to turn into a personal attacks on people you know nothing about and a process you know less about.   
How do you feel about being totally discredited in this case?                            

 Mozart & CleverMike have found something to occupy themselves in retirement

 

No Moronic....you have just incorporated the facts I gave you in an even bigger fiction. Dates wrong, missing consultants, presumed ignorance of the obvious by everybody except yourself, clearly contradicted in the press reports. It doesn't fly. Did they offer you a seat on the Hospital Board for all your supposed contributions? 

You really are a F#ckwit
Can you not even understand what happened after the detailed explanation I gave above.    
Your assumptions based on newspaper reports are also badly skewed - since it happened long after the licence approval and in dealing with the issues leading to the licence approval was what I wrote about - not all the garbage you tried to find about things that happened much later.
Where the hell did I contradict the newespaper reports - dofdoos?     
No they did not offer me a position on the Board and I would not have accepted one either.
Look - through your lies  - you tried to discredit not only myself - but the actual developer of the hospital and Dr Luthuli.   
I would have been ashamed of myself if I were you - but I suppose an egocentric idiot like you are above feeling shame, because you are always doing the same on this site any event.   

I'm never ashamed exposing a belligerent  BS artist  

 The biggest BS Artist on this site is the useless and clueless dofdoos called Mozart with his snakelike deviations  and outright lies when he is caught out.   .   

 Paris Saint Germain.