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Hope re Sa bacline play

Started by Beeno15 REPLIES262 VIEWS· 12 Apr 2015, 19:37
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Apr 2015, 19:37
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12 Apr 2015, 19:37#1

All those wailing about SA backline play should take note of this

Ex Sport 24


Cape Town - After weeks of slop, suddenly bucket-loads of champagne.

A weekend of hugely welcome, unusual enterprise and expression by predominantly young backline players made it a weekend of both good memories and results for South African teams in Super Rugby.

The lone exception to the rule, of course, was the Sharks as they surrendered the only SA derby of the round 23-21 to the Lions in Johannesburg to slip further off the playoffs pace – although even they raised their game several notches after the Crusaders fiasco and contributed fairly fulsomely to an up-tempo, gripping contest.

But all of the Stormers, Cheetahs and Bulls would have boasted extremely happy dressing rooms after a clean sweep of victories over respective Australian opponents the Waratahs, Force and Reds.

Let’s not kid ourselves: this productive Saturday in the local conference was in no small way, you have to suspect, influenced by a merciful break from any New Zealand opposition.(Make that bent refs!!)

 As if to rub in the way sides from that particular conference are dominating the competition around the midway mark of ordinary season, compatriots the Highlanders upset the ‘Saders, fresh off their 52-10 achievement in Durban, 25-20 in their own backyard this time around.

It does remind you of the extent to which the Sharks, a supposed juggernaut in our own landscape, are under-performing and have lost touch with the better outfits.

Also not to be forgotten is that in Test-team terms, the Springboks are presently much higher ranked, in second, than the sixth-placed Wallabies so you would expect at least some reflection of that in Super Rugby.

But a ninth-round results scoreboard reading “SA 3 Australia 0” will still be deemed grounds for seriously good cheer in these parts.

The standout one has to be the Stormers earning a widely unexpected, full-house 32-18 win against the defending champions in Sydney: if you throw in the second half comeback against the log-leading ‘Canes, they have now produced three halves of near championship-quality rugby in a row.(It was men against boys stuff when the Mighty Stormes clobbered the wee hurricanes)

Successive tour losses registered prior to it and with the threat of some demoralisation and fatigue setting in as a consequence, producing such a fire-and-brimstone showing in game three of the Antipodean trek takes some doing, and it may prove a turning point in the Stormers’ hunt for a finals series spot. (A lot dpends on injuries and bent refs. I have not heard how Rhodes is)

But almost as commendable, then, was the Cheetahs – after as many as three overseas reverses on the trot – bouncing back in Perth to topple the Force 24-15, a match that featured as dynamic a display as you will see from tenacious open-sider Heinrich Brussow.

So seldom flavour of the month with Heyneke Meyer, the diminutive loose forward may yet require the Bok coach to reconsider his no-go attitude towards him some time down the line.

Meanwhile the Bulls, even if they had some flaky moments against the now-basement Reds, did what was necessary for them after last week’s late surrender in the Big Smoke by earning a 43-22 triumph at Loftus and crossing the try-line six times.

Right across the SA spectrum in this round, a hallmark was renewed vibrancy with ball in hand and far more of a 15-man approach to attacking play.

Could it have been that a great many outside backs in the country were geed up by the uncomplimentary comments in midweek of Bok midfield legend of yesteryear Danie Gerber?

The 56-year-old had lamented: “Our rugby is messed up by an obsession to mostly attack with the forwards.” (PLEASE NOTE OAKS THIS IS A MINDSET ISSUE NOT A TALENT ISSUE - NZ WOULD LOVE TO HAVE GUYS LIKE VORSTER, ALLENDE, ODENDAAL, FAF, REINACH, POLLARD, KRIEL, VAN WYK, ESTERHUIZEN, MINISI ETC ETC))

This 12-year Bok (1980-92) might have been tempted to moderate his pessimistic thoughts – which nevertheless earned a widespread public nod – had he witnessed some of Saturday’s lucrative SA charge in Super Rugby.

It included an array of thrilling, often long-range onslaughts, many of them leading to tries, and with a youthful brigade strongly to the fore.

In Sydney, all four Stormers dot-downs were registered by players falling into that category: the fast-rising 23-year-old Damian de Allende, who got two and showed a combination of trickery and intelligence on the front foot and muscularity on defence, plus Kobus van Wyk (23) and the pocket rocket Cheslin Kolbe (21).

The latest Lions win included bright, influential flashes from right wing Ruan Combrinck (24) and inside centre Harold Vorster (21), while at Loftus the crowd got their money’s worth regularly from such greenhorns as fullback Jesse Kriel and assertive midfield find Burger Odendaal.

Would it be too much to generally plead for more of the same spirit of adventure in round 10?

ITS NOT A SPIRIT OF ADVENTURE REALLY BUT JUST GOOD BALANCED RUGBY.

TRICK IS THIS -  GET IN A PROPER TIGHT FIVE (NOT A TIGHT 4). FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE IN YOUR LOOSE TRIO AND BINGO YOU HAVE A PLATFORM FOR THE BACKS TO PERFORM IF THERE IS AN ATTACKING MINDSET.

W HO CAN DOUBT THESE YOUNG PLAYERS HAVE IT ALL BUT WILL IT GET COACHED OUT OF THEM BY DENSE COACHES.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Apr 2015, 20:22
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12 Apr 2015, 20:22#2
Would it were so, but this is a view through rose tinted lenses. It was Lions vs the abysmally slow Sharks backline and Bools against palookas. What about the. Stormers you say? Yes, but we have to understand what happened.

The Stormers showed the path to effective SA backline  play....the same template the Boks used under Jake....the counter attack. Effective defence created the Stormers back play...that and guys like de Jongh and Kolbe who are dangerous in broken play. Defend and earn t he right to attack. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Apr 2015, 21:08
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12 Apr 2015, 21:08#3
 Mozart
Your whole arguments sounds good until you mention Jake White.  He had no template for backline play.   He eventually understood that he could not provide any effective coaching of  backline players - so in 2007 he roped in Eddie Jones (a bit late in the day I may add) and while at the Brumbies the backline coaching was done by Larkham.  At the Sharks the bottom fell out and the backline play went pear-shaped.
Where you missed out is your viewpoint - which you stated on this site clearly namely that 90% of the functions of a flyhalf comprises of the kicking game.  That is what White's template ultimately consisted of.   If the kicking was strategic or of any real value the argument could have been acceptable.  However, the kicking game  of flyhalfs like the Steyns was so poor - it basically entails handing possession over to the opposition.
Your viewpoint on attacking  backline play only relates to counter-attacking without any emphasis being placed on creating/initiating attacking play by the team itself.   That is not the game that any other country plays.   You also talk of defense - and then listed the poorest defender at center in SA (De Jongh).   He did intercept a pass yesterday - that was the nearest he came to initiating anything of substance during the past three years.  He normally can finish of plays when somebody else has initiated an attacking opportunity - but is basically not capable of doing anything constructive other than far too often losing ball possession.
However, this is not about individual players - it is about the concepts relating to effective backline play. So lets get real - you have to have your own attacking players capable of initiating attacks based on reading of the game.   That could  include strategic kicks that puts recipients under pressure, but is by far not the only means to be used.   For any attacking play to be successful one has to have players with ball sense and ball skills - and there are too few of those around.   
      

        
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
12 Apr 2015, 21:25
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12 Apr 2015, 21:25#4
 You knew of Jake White's shortcomings in 2007 , yet (when he was appointed) you predicted that the Sharks were definitely going to win the 2014 S14.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Apr 2015, 22:29
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12 Apr 2015, 22:29#5
 Veradunce
I thought he learned something from Eddie Jones and Larkham - but he did not.  The backline play of the Sharks deteriorated from early in Super 15 and got progressively worse as the season progressed.   
My observations from April-May last year was that the Sharks backline was destroyed and I have every right to change my mind if circ umstances so warrant.        
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Apr 2015, 23:36
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12 Apr 2015, 23:36#6
 Gosh you would swear we never won the Trinations in 2004 under Jake, with superb backline play..again according to the template, break down your opponents attack, counter attack with pace.
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