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How many wee abs could make the Mighty Boks starting 15

Started by Beeno19 REPLIES594 VIEWS· 26 Jul 2015, 17:58
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Jul 2015, 17:58
#1
26 Jul 2015, 17:58#1
Its quite amazing when you do the excercise to see how few could!
Starting in the front row. No ab would make it. Heck even our reserve props like Kitshoff and Malherbe bullied the kiwis in the Super 15 - thi cant be denied.The Bok locks Eben and Lood clealry outplayed the Kiiws on Saturday. I reckon even Willemse and Du toit would do the same.
At loose forard i would not select one kiwi. Oiur loose trio of Marcell, Burger and vermuelen is way better than the kiwis. Nothing contrqversial about that either.
So a A team Bok pack is very obviously a lot better than anything the kiwis have. So would the rewerv3s be better.
Thgis is abit contraversial but less so when you think about it. Faf was by some way the most dynamic scrummie in the Super 15. my guess is he would also outshine wee aaron smith who did zip on Saturday and appears to be in decline.Nobody can argue that Pollard is two cuts above anything the kiwis have. Kiws dont really have a classy flyhalf.Suddenly we have two centers the kiwis will find difficult to match. Certainly poor conrad and Nonu couldnt. Sunny bill has lost pace and is pedestrian at best. Feki though is quite good. Personally I would go for our young duo you scream class.
Habana is still at least as good as anything the kiwis have. The other wing would be Savea.Willie is clearly better than Dagg.
So only one wee ab would make a Bok side at full strength. 
I dont think this is unreasonable and in fact is the very reason why Hansen is a very worried man. Our bench at full strength would be awesome as well.The assumption here is all are fit and selectiosn are as per Beeno.
My guess is that the Boks at full strength and with a competent ref and tmo etc are about 20 points better. The wee ab fans should prepare themselves for a semi final excit. The kiws crumble away from home in RWC but the Boks dont. I doubt there will be nz ref in pocket stuff again this world cup. The action taken by the IRB in booting out Paddy O' Brien and Brycy Lawrence showed they cottoned on to what had happened. 











JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jul 2015, 18:05
#2
26 Jul 2015, 18:05#2
Sweet dreams beeno but you will wake up one day
What happened to his dog house?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Jul 2015, 18:11
#3
26 Jul 2015, 18:11#3
 Jw apart from Savea not a single ab would make the Bok  A side.If you think differently name who would. Your front row was out gunned. You locks were out gunned. Vermuelen and Coetzee and Burger are so obviously better than anything you have.I can think of a single ab forward who could make our A team s pack.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2015, 18:13
#4
26 Jul 2015, 18:13#4
 Beeno 
I do not agree with you in this case and would say the following about player performances in various positions:-
15   Here it is a straight fight between Dagg and Le Roux - An easy choice it is le Roux.   However, if Ben Smith is used at full back my vote goes to Ben Smith
14  Charles Piutau is definitely ahead of any SA contenders. 13  Jesse Kriel
12  Damian de Allende
11  Julian Savea
10  Dan Carter
 9  Aaron Smith
 8  Kieran Read
 7  Marcel Coetzee
 6   Heinrich Brussow/Jaco Kriel
 5   Lood de Jager
 4   Eben Etzebeth
 3   Du Plessis/Malherbe
 2   Bismarck du Plessis
 1   Beast/Kitshoff
If there is a straight choice at 4 between Etzebeth and Retallick I would choose the much stronger physically Etzebeth.   Whitelock seems to be on the way down and he will not make it ahead of any of Du Toit and De Jager.
   
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jul 2015, 18:14
#5
26 Jul 2015, 18:14#5
 Even if what you are saying was true it is not just the players that make a team no. 1 (which of course the ABs are) it is the coach & the culture of the team. Sadly Beeno you are way short in that respect also.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Jul 2015, 18:55
#6
26 Jul 2015, 18:55#6
 Ou maaaikie please wise up. Burger completely outplayed Read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HENCE I AM CORRECT RE NO WEE ABS MAKE BOK A TEAM PACK.
POLLARD ahead of old man Carter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will have to accept folk will go for AARON SMITH BUT THATS JUST BECAUSE FAF HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE.BEN SMITH AHEAD OF WILLIE. YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING!! NOT REMOTLEY IN WILLIE'S CLASS.
At a stretch then maybe two wee abs would make the side if you include Aaron Smith.
Nothing wrong with my culture JW so please dont be sad! 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jul 2015, 19:14
#7
26 Jul 2015, 19:14#7
 Ben Smith & Dagg ahead of wee WileySBW ahead of wee De Allande;Coles ahead of card machine Bismark; Whitelock ahead of Lood; McCaw ahead of Cozy for leadership & performance + Cane ahead of Cozy also. Beast & Jannie are mere remnants of their former selves but may last through this RWC. That leaves the Boks with one or two players that might have a shot at the ABs.
In terms of reserves we have it all over the Boks. That is the area where the ABs leave the Boks for dead.
As I said earlier coaching & culture are critical not just talented players.
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
26 Jul 2015, 19:20
#8
26 Jul 2015, 19:20#8
 Beeno1,           Read is without doubt the #1, #8 in world rugby.           The NZ wingers are light years ahead of the SA wingers.           Their scrum-halves are outstanding.           Most important though is the fact that irrespective of what you may think of the NZ squad they produce the results that count.


Namely........WINNING.
Everything else does not count, sport is played to produce a result  such as a winner.
Got it!            
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Jul 2015, 19:38
#9
26 Jul 2015, 19:38#9
JW Vermuelen overtook Read . Now we have Burger performing so well that that saSUE says if he continues in this vein he will be IRB player of the year. 
AJ Habana is as good as anything they have. I think if FAf we have a class act. 

Winninng on Saturday ment zip. In fact a sensible reading when taking all matters into account was that hansen must be the worried man.
AJ you need to look deeper to find the truth. wAKE UP AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. 

Ben Smith & Dagg ahead of wee Wiley  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

SBW ahead of wee De Allande; BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAColes ahead of card machine Bismark;  THIS IS DEMENTED STUFF JW!!Whitelock ahead of Lood;  OH PLEASE lOOD LOOKED TWICE THE LOCK McCaw ahead of Cozy for leadership & performance + Cane ahead of Cozy also. WHO IS COZY?Beast & Jannie are mere remnants of their former selves but may last through this RWC. That leaves the Boks with one or two players that might have a shot at the ABs.
In terms of reserves we have it all over the Boks. That is the area where the ABs leave the Boks for dead.UTTER NONSENSE IF OUR PLAYERS ARE FIT WE WILL HAVE AN EXCELLENT BENCH
Its the culture that is the problem.  Winning by foul means. It has to change JW.




JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Jul 2015, 19:59
#10
26 Jul 2015, 19:59#10
 You don't have many supporters of your opinion on this one Beeno. ABs have been no. 1 for about 10 years now & they have talented starters & backups plus the best coaches. Sure they can lose but odds are they will win. We depend on having the benst refs though  
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