How out top 3 sides should be lining up

 Moffie as I have said in the past nothing you post is credible, I did e-mail you many years ago but much of what I said you have edited when posting the contents of my e-mails on here...........you are a useless lying racist - nothing you have ever said or done has impressed me, I know very little about you thank the pope.

But one certainty is that I find you to be a useless waste of space right now, who has been exposed as a liar on this site, by a number including your best mate. There can be no greater endorsement of your status as a liar than when a close mate says as much - OUCH and you want us to believe the crap you post about what I said and did not say

Saffex

Please allow me to correct your one statement.  I never lie about anything - never have and never will.  

When I say a player is under-performing - like Engelbrecht did last year - it is based on what I have seen during matches.   I look at matches and see how they perform - unlike you who look at matches and see what you want to see and forget about the rest.   I told you repeatedly that Engelbrecht was piss-poor against WP and the Sharks on CC level - but you never even checked my statement by taking another look at those games. 

As for Jantjies - just watch him and you will see that he stands deeper in the pocket than Steyn does and I have described his plays to a t - no lies - just honest and proven observations

If you really look at matches .and SEE what  is happening on the field of play - you would have found out that Brussow had some serious injuries to content with duing the past 18 months and when he did play his performances were poor.   I noted in particular that in the Super 15 game at Bloem - he cost his team the game - by giving away 5 penalties.   His form during his on-and-off selections in between injuries was poor ,   Unless there is a drastic improvement he never can be a candidate for selection again.  

You love to talk tripe - eh.  Louw was by far one of our best forwards last year - he is a CLASS ACT proven by performances - not like your class acts that only produce shit performances 

Lastly - when Burger came on the scene - everyone was impressed by his performances and the ball sense he diplayed.   Hell - I should not raise that term again - since you do not have a clue what it means.    

Impressing you Dave  is no concern of mine. But you were impressed, you said exactly that and more. Not a word was altered. There is no need, you provided all the grovelling I required without any embellishment on my part.

Of course you wont back it up fat man..You cant. Its not for the sake of wanting to, you just cant. You imply you are all this and all that when infact you are a lonely, short, fat sod.

Hennie Le Roux put your shoulder to be. Please, give us your full name so I may watch a tribute to you on the net somewhere. Dave, jump out of this bubble you live in. You fool no one. We all know you are a plank. Kiwi's are world reknown for being friendly people too. Cant say the same for Aussies as the world tends to think they are arrogant but not many have a problem with kiwi's so get your facts straight.

Not only have I outsmarted you prick, everyone on here has. You are transparent. We know what to expect from you. We will be called bloody idiots, fools and all the rest but that is the extent of the person you are. More a dictator than a debater and you are in the mould of a Mugabe style dictator. Just stupid and senseless.

Please Dave, I meant you dont look like you have the guts to kit up at any stage in your average life. Who wants to see a middle aged, short, fat grease ball kit up now. Disgusting man. I just puked in my mouth but you would be used to that wouldn't you Dave. It is the common response to you from any female!

Everyone else wants Jake back as coach, Dave not. Everyone else knows Schalk is 10 times the player of Kolisi at the moment, Dave doesn't. Everyone wants JJ and Jantjies gone, Dave says they class..Can you see the trend here Dave. Its clear to see you are as thick as pig shit! If all Flankers are the same and play the same, then what seperates McCaw from the italian flankers or Kaino from the scottish boys..Your arguments are so dumb that I am not gona argue with you on rugby. U just far too stupid. I would rather just call you a prick and shut you down at every turn. You say you are this, you say you are that, you say you can do this, you say you can do that but you cant back anything up. At least myself and Moz can back that shit up. If I was like you, I would tell you all I am a mix between Brad Pitt but I play rugby like Frans Steyn, golf like Tiger Woods and run like Usain Bolt and own properties better than Donald Trump. Ha ha you are a joke. Dont even have enough capital for a haircut!

 Moffie that is just another lie......its par for the course, hell even your best mate said as much

@kiwilover... LOLOL

"Saffex why not choose a whole team for the Springboks of players that are mostly under21 and have proved little to nothing in the SuperXV"

This comment reflects SAF most accuratly...

I often do agree with him... like regarding Taute and Jantjies...

But OMG he does take things overboard at times doesnt he!

 No flash, its just rugby!!

Hennie put your shoulder to bed.....ag shampies. Guys have dislocated shoulders and other shoulder issues all the time. Look at Goosen. If you were talented enough some surgeon could have fixed you....not worth the bother it seems.

But the really funny thing here is one tap from Hennie and those powerful shoulders you are always talking about go pop. Seems even that's a fake!

 Ah good old Moffie making it up again.......I had two ops on my shoulder you halfwit

Well maybe they were pretty defective from the start then. So the "powerful, broad shoulders", now  couldn't even stand up to a light rugby tap? And this is the twat that was threatening to beat up other posters. Just another fantasy. At the bottom of the mine there was  giant of a man.....Big Dave  Big Dave....Big Bad Dave.

 Boglog, you seemed to have missed my points on you lying - go back and try again. Once you have rebutted those points, we can move on to me me landing the final blow - take your time halfwit

"we can move on to me me landing the final blow"......just as long as BL doesn't give you a light tap on the shoulder first......wehe!

My shoulder is ok Moffie, not fit for a rugby match, but I would only need one arm to give that stringbean a slap - the thing is an insult.

Moffie do you reckon you could out drive me on the range?

No Dave, I think you are a one eyed , one armed flying purple people eater....how could I compete with that..

 Ah ok, I have just read you boasting about how you still out drive many youngsters - was just wondering 

To my mind, lawyers are composed individuals that stick to facts. They are awesome in debate due to their ability to remain composed even in adversity.

Dave has cracked. Moz and myself have managed to crack this piece of shit with no prior experience. Was it not you Dave who ridiculed me for threats over the net and labelled me a cyber tough guy? Now you go and threaten to slap me. We have u in a corner pork chop and we poking you with sticks and you cracked. I know who I wouldn't want defending me..Oh but wait, you do the low scale of the law..The easy stuff. Divorce lawyer. Does it get any more lame?? Couldn't cut it on the criminal side of things could you "Mr as composed as Jantjies after a big hit!" ha ha wanker!

Should you really be challenging a man almost 20 years your senior to a driving competition?? Would you out drive me Dave?

Please old great one, deliver me the final blow! Please call me out on all my lies! You wont find any here Dave! I have only backed Mozart up because I have no doubt he ain't lying. You cant prove this is and keep calling on your backstops. Mozart has delivered proof. More than I can say for your fat arse. You paint yourself as a great rugby brain and player in your day that is hugely successful when in reality, you come across as a talentless, dumb grease ball. Had I taken the field against an opponent with your credentials, I might have walked off at the sheer embarrasment that I would be labelled a bully.

When can we meet up for this slap Dave?? You are right, you do only need 1 arm to slap me. Thats all it takes. Once you stand on a box, extend your dumpy arm connected to those magnificent broad shoulders of yours and that slap connects, thats when your problems start Dave!

Mozart, how can I get a picture on this blog that is not an avatar? I just want to put to bed this stringbean fantasy Dave goes on about. From there he can hand my picture to his wife with a little note from me..Something along the lines of..."Have fun Babe!"

It will be my little treat to her and a change from having to look at a dirty grease ball every day!

Boglog so according to your esteemed self, you and Moffie have cracked me.......bwhaaahaaaaaaa

The only crack evident here is you, go and read your post above and come back and tell me you have not cracked. You started so well with composure and all that crap then descended into some hysterical hissyfit and you are stupid enough to conclude that you and Moffie have teamed up to crack me - admirable stuff, wow I salute you. You must be quite proud to have cracked Moffie's crack team - I've been trying for years, you must be special - or would that be you are a friend of Moffie's with special needs?

So you believe Moffie, the same guy who's best mate effectively told this board that your master was a liar - you choose them well Boglog - good to hear you are a people's person - bwhaaahaaaa.

I'm still waiting for your counter to the lies you told - you seem to be side stepping these. If only the coach of that village side you play for stringbean, could see your side stepping skills on this board, he might promote you from peeling those succulent oranges and give you a bench spot.

Are you under the impression criminal law is where the clout lies - bwhaaahaaa - good one recruitment agent

As for out driving you, I'm guessing you dont have the co-ordination to even make contact with a golf ball - you need composure to hit a golf ball!!!

Bud we would never have met on the rugby field, I did not play sub standard rugby. We might have sent our 4ths to play your lot as a little pre season warm-up. As for giving you a snot klap......yep my arm in a sling would have still been enough to slap your worthless stringbean arse.

And before I forget, your photo showed you are one ugly mug so little point in brandishing photo's of yourself about - its embarrassing stuff man, get a grip.

So wise one, as a parting shot please talk us through what constitues a people's person for I am intrigued stringbean? Pretty please

Dave, everyone who doesn't agree with you is lying when fact is you are the only liar. Maz has pasted proof of your lick arse emails you tosser. What more do you want.

You lie about your heigh. I keep telling you, I am not interested who you say "exposed" Moz and all your little side kicks. I want proof from you! You got none. You are a talker with not much to back it up!

I have a pic of me on South Head golf course tee box making contact with a sweet drive. You see Dave, thats proof. I dont say I am the worlds best golfer or even a good golfer for that fact but I do alright. Usually around 82 - 87 shots through 18 but I strike the ball clean and long. My putting and chipping needs to improve to lower that.

Dave you do realise that I played rugby for a provincial union in SA until my agent sourced me an opportunity to play in France dont you? I have moved to NZL as Graham Henry identified me as a future prospect but a big tackle on Ma'a Nonu in a warm up game put my shoulder to bed... ha ha can you see how easy it is to speak utter shit when you got nothing to back it up with Dave. For the last time, dont mention things on this board that you have no proof of. Everything I have told you thus far I can prove!

Criminal lawyers have a lot more clout that a divorce lawyer. Fuck, can that even be referred to as a lawyer? Can we just call you the grease ball who tries to put some clarity on a sticky situation?

You cracked Dave..End of story. I made one reference to "a small time lawyer in the suburbs" and your next post went ballistic. That was que to keep your composure and just like your career as a pro rugby player, you failed dismally! Dave you are a puppet and I hold the strings. Do you like the way I steered you back in around 2 weeks ago by being civil to you and talking rugby until I dropped it on you again and watched you fall back into the trap. I control you Dave. I can make you happy and I can make you sad! Its a lot more difficult to control someone with a good brain so I was lucky I found you for this experiment. Its my first time trying this and I may have found the perfect dummy ;-)

As I said Dave, teach me how to place a photo on this blog without having to make it a small avatar and we can put to bed this whole stringbean and ugly talk. Nothing I like better than showing you up.

Please Dave. Can we have some proof of your "million pound" land and house, your height and weight, your phenomenal rugby career and all the rest. Yesterday you state that you wont post this sort of thing to strangers on a blog but why do you see them then if you not willing to back it up..Are you maybe just a talker then Dave? Im a doer, I have proven this to you so who is really the liar here sponge bob?

 Look here, I know you struggle to comprehend the basics, but do you know how stupid you sound beating your chest when its clear to all from the structures of your posts and your use of the English language that the lift clearly does not reach the top.

So in your opinion Mike, Becs and Jal all lied about me being neither short nor fat. When did I say I played pro rugby or that I had a million pound property. You Bog, you fail to grasp the basics which starts with representing the facts - your desire to some how flower your posts with impression, leads you to lie all along the way.

A little tip, if you know nothing about a profession its best to shut up. The reality of criminal law is anything but what you see on LA Law and I'll leave it at that, to avoid further embarrassment for you.

So you have cracked me have you and how was that. Was that you being nice for a few weeks and then resorting to your true self by banging on about me being a small time lawyer - so this in your opinion has me cracked - when in fact what it clearly shows is your fragile ego - you did not like what I had to say on a rugby point and you resorted straight back into lying about me - you know nothing about me, so why on earth do you think any reference you come up with would somehow affect me?

So you pull my strings do you - you are too stupid to pull my strings. You offer no challenge at all, its like taking candy from a baby. At least someone like Moz presents a challenge. You dont come across as very bright and I apologize if I am being a little blunt here, but its the truth. I have used the term halfwit and you tend to confirm this with every post.

You are a doer and proven this to me have - how? What have you done string bean?

Please give us some proof Saffex.

All I have ever said was in relation to your slurps at me.

You say I am stringbean, I say I can prove you wrong.

You say you are better looking than me and im ugly, I say I can prove you wrong.

You say I cant hit a golf ball, I say I can prove you wrong.

You said you played at a higher level than I have, I say I can prove you wrong at this point.

Now I expected your post in reply to bang on about how stupid I am and my lift doesn't go to the top floor and all the rest but this is a little too familiar from you Dave so a big YAWN must be extended your way.

Please Dave, I have given you facts. Its about time you have. You may not have said this and that but you always imply it and when asked for proof, you never willing to submit.

I told you before, I am not interested in what Mike, Becs and Jalapeno say..Its simple really..Lets get a picture of you shorty! Give us our own proof. Make it recent too! Last 2 weeks! Mike, Becs and co are simply trying to make you feel better and sometimes to lie to avoid hurting someones feelings is ok.

I know exactly what criminal law includes. I have had 2 lengthy court cases in my time, been defended by Jacques Botha in Durban and know it is a whole lot higher level than the shit you do. Successful lawyers dont squat in front of shacks. Successful lawyers own massive houses not swamp land..Successful lawyers take a jacket to a night club! Successful lawyers dont sit and argue with "recruitment consultants" over SA rugby.com....They too busy making money..Get it fat shit?

My word this stumping you at every turn is getting too easy. Now thats taking candy from a baby..Not bad for a bloke whose lift doesnt reach the top hey! ;-) Come on Saff, reply now with just how stupid you think I am...

 So you want me to post pictures of myself on a rugby forum, to prove my height because you tell us you dont care what Mike, Becs and Jal say about me - do you begin to comprehend how stupid you sound. I guess not because its damn clear you are short of a marble or two.

Here is a legal lesson, the majority of criminal lawyers earn stuff all money and deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis. They spend many hours in prisons interviewing their clients because hey they are criminals - but of course you knew all this hey stringbean. Good to see you know exactly what a criminal lawyer does!!!

You keep banging on about a shack - what are you on about? Could this be one of your many fabrications?

Stringbean, the only thing you could stump is your toe, for as I keep saying you dont have a brain to possess any co-ordination. My guess is that your life is one big stump.

Are you actually employed in NZ, this is just a polite question as I am really strugging with this.......and hey please send us proof of your golf prowess bwhaaahaaa

Golf prowess?? Who said anything about prowess? I admitted I am no world beater unlike you and your rugby. You made the comment that I wouldn't make contact with a golf ball and I have an instagram shot my mate took on the 14th hole at South Head that will put that remark to bed..Sorta like Hennie did to your broad shoulder you stud you ;-)

Criminal lawyers earn stuff all?? Why dont you go tell Jacques Botha and this Roux bloke that defends Oscar Pistorius that. I think you thinking of legal aid lawyers in SA Dave..Is that what you are to the divorce world Dave? A free service..Haha it gets worse for you. Talk about a fall from grace..You volunteered us this info. How dumb does one get? At almost 8grand a court day (back then for a small GBH case) I would not think that is making "no money" as you say. I do not speak of the "majority" of criminal lawyers. You say you are one of the better ones so I am comparing apples with apples here your fatness!!

Saffex, I believe facts. People can lie, twist the truth or stand up for people. Very ureliable. Not saying Mike, Becs and Jalapeno have done this but thats what can happen. Must I take "your good friends" word for it over Mozart's? I dont know any of them and of course a friend will stand up for you. Please wee man..Send us a pic. Lets pull a "shoulder" move and put this to bed once and for all ;-)

Dave, your shack is one of the only things you have been forthcoming with evidence on. I can see you squating in your dining room in your avatar! Likely to be a meal in front of you on a beer crate. Is it pie or heavily battered fish? Something has to be making you this fat?

Man Boglog you really do confirm you stupidity and ignorance with every post. So how often do criminal lawyers get to defend high profile people like Oscar in SA, huh? How stupid are you? Are you telling me that this is the standard case that every criminal lawyer in SA gets to be a part of or would you not think that 99% of the SA criminal lawyers actually spend their days dealing with scum of the earth who have no income and can pay no fees, huh - you work it out bright spark.

Divorce is rife, there is money to be made, every case is different - its a living soap opera - I loved it!!

Ah so your argument is that Becs, Mike, Denny and Jal could have twisted the truth - wow, its a good thing you are a people's person and not a lawyer.

I'm still waiting for the golf shot, you can just post it here as a post - much like proof of how good looking you are but more so that you are not a weed.

As for this so called shack - as I have pointed out on numerous ocassions, firstly its not a shack, its the back of a huge artistic bench in the middle of some forest in Cornwall - taken on holiday, so get over this shack thing or better still stick with it to confirm your stupidity.

Lets take the lawyer I used on 2 occasions for example. Jacques Botha in Durban. Do you see him defending guys with no income? He has walked away from cases mid case if people have not fronted with fees. He has handled plenty high profile cases. Saff, believe it or not, Oscar Pistorius is not the only guy in SA that is a high income earner. There are millions that earn above average salaries! Just put it this way, I dont see you owning the things Jacques does. I am not talking about legal aid that deal with the scum in the holding cells. Im talking about a real lawyer!

Got the golf pic on my email and latest pic of me in Aus on the desktop. I do not know how to load it on here without making it an avatar which is too small to see! I asked Moz how to do it but have not got a reply yet. Here's one for the books..Why dont you prove that you are better looking and muscular than me and can hit a golf ball and I will offer a rebuttle!

Im sure there is so money to be made in divorce. You should try get your hands on some of it Dave. You would not need to live on a bench in a Cornwall forrest!

 Oh boy you dont get it do you? Do you think wealthy people are the ones committing the crimes in SA then? For if that is the case then you are right, chances are criminal lawyers would then be in a position to charge high fees.

But I'll help you out. 90% of the crime committed, is by low lives with no income or very little income and therefore the majority of criminal lawyers earn an average wage and spend much of their time in the company of scum.

As I said in a previous post, take some advice and stop making a fool of yourself preaching to a solicitor about the legal profession - its like me telling Gordon Ramsay how to cook, get it?

What part of Cornwall holiday did you not get? As for the photo's dont be a gullible twit, no-one wants to see photo's of you on a rugby messageboard, this is not facebook, its not the place.

As for divorce solicitors well depends on the firm you work for. The one I worked for in London only dealt with high income earning clients, some of which were high profile, where equity partners were earning £25k a month and sharing in quarterly distributions of about £150k a quarter - thats good money working 3 days a week in the office and 2 days a week from home. 

As i thought Dave..Shy away from the issue when proof can be delivered. Ha ha coward!

What makes you think only low lifes are involved in crime? A drunk CEO drives his car and kills a person in a motor vehicle, a manager loses his cool and hits someone resulting in hospital, a CEO's son gets a little tipsy at a night club and smacks a guy with a bottle..A corporate manager embezzles money, steals from a fund..the list goes on..These people need representation.. I am not talking about some unemployed hobo jumping over your fence at night to steal your car or stabs his friend after drinking cheap piss. That is all legal aid shit. Those top dog lawyers dont stop earning money. When I asked my lawyer if he would ever leave SA, his reply was, "Why? As long as there is night clubs, women and alcohol, I am smiling!"

In case you didn't know what he meant, he saw kids like me on a daily basis whose parents needed to fork out to get their kid out of shit after he got pissed at a night spot and smacked someone or crashed his car drunk driving!

I dont see you as a solicitor. I see you as a bloke I dominate at every turn and is nothing but a talker. Please oh please stop comparing yourself to masters in their professions like Gordon Ramsay and top dog lawyers. You are to law, what a prison chef is to cooking. Lower than the scum left on a prison pot. U aint close to a "Ramsay!"

Once again, all this talking and no proving. Please Dave, show us proof of your words. Why you wearing a hobo tshirt and taking pics in a park with a greasy appearance if you are so well off. Please man, you would have had a jacket at the club that night had you had money!

As i thought Dave..Shy away from the issue when proof can be delivered. Ha ha coward!

What makes you think only low lifes are involved in crime? A drunk CEO drives his car and kills a person in a motor vehicle, a manager loses his cool and hits someone resulting in hospital, a CEO's son gets a little tipsy at a night club and smacks a guy with a bottle..A corporate manager embezzles money, steals from a fund..the list goes on..These people need representation.. I am not talking about some unemployed hobo jumping over your fence at night to steal your car or stabs his friend after drinking cheap piss. That is all legal aid shit. Those top dog lawyers dont stop earning money. When I asked my lawyer if he would ever leave SA, his reply was, "Why? As long as there is night clubs, women and alcohol, I am smiling!"

In case you didn't know what he meant, he saw kids like me on a daily basis whose parents needed to fork out to get their kid out of shit after he got pissed at a night spot and smacked someone or crashed his car drunk driving!

I dont see you as a solicitor. I see you as a bloke I dominate at every turn and is nothing but a talker. Please oh please stop comparing yourself to masters in their professions like Gordon Ramsay and top dog lawyers. You are to law, what a prison chef is to cooking. Lower than the scum left on a prison pot. U aint close to a "Ramsay!"

Once again, all this talking and no proving. Please Dave, show us proof of your words. Why you wearing a hobo tshirt and taking pics in a park with a greasy appearance if you are so well off. Please man, you would have had a jacket at the club that night had you had money!

Look here you ignorant twit, get this into your stupid head. 90% of crime is committed by low lives who have no money - FACT. The few examples you bang on about account for 10% of the market - get it? Bloody hell I have some idiot recruitment agent telling me how the legal system works - what next?

You keep throwing out declarations of your dominance over me - this from a bloke who struggles to construct a comprehensible sentence together and who's only time on this board is spent yapping at my heels.

Boglog the only way you could ever dominate anyone is by tying them up and gagging them - you are too stupid intellectually and no stringbean is in a position to dominate anyone physically unless he targets woman and children.

You are my bitch and you know it stringbean

 Is anything you do or say original and your own work? U so stupid Dave. 

Once again u miss the point. I am not interested what percentage of the "poor" populations vs "rich" commit crime. 100% of the top dog lawyers clients have money and they get plenty business..I am not interested in legal aid that defend the poor..You follow knob jockey?

Stick to doing admin for the weak ass divorce firm you work for fat man..Hey, who knows, in time u might save up enough to move out of Cornwall park and buy a jacket.

Dave, Ronnie Coleman looks like a stringbean next to you...

You see dumbass you dig yourself into a deeper hole everytime you respond for you are so damn stupid that you are incapable of recognising the bloody obvious.

So we have 90% of crimes committed by the poor, leaving 10% being committed by those more fortunate. If we follow your brilliant logic, we would have 90% of the criminal lawyers representing the 10% of those criminals who happen to have money. Counter that you dunce.

I'll say it one more time, the majority of criminal lawyers earn less than lawyers in other branches of law - FACT

Catch a wake up and do me a favour - say no more for you are making a complete idiot of yourself stringbean. I am being polite here in order to save you further embarrassment of me kicking your scrawny arse.

This seems a bit contradictory Dave. In fact I used to play golf with the top divorce lawyer in Chicago, and I can't say he was exceptionally wealthy. But I know trial lawyers who make a lot of money in a profession that is less well paid than most think:

5 Highest Paying Legal Careers

1. Trial Lawyer

Trial lawyers are among the highest paid legal professionals in the world. While thousands of trial lawyers practice across the globe, the most highly compensated lawyers are litigators that handle high-dollar, high-profile and high-stakes cases.

Not all lawyers rake in high incomes; many public interest lawyers and solo practitioners earn modest salaries. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the median annual salary for all lawyers is $110,590. Lawyers in the middle 50% earn between $74,980 and $163,320. However, the nation's top trial lawyers can earn millions. For example, these top plaintiff attorneys earn between $11 and $40 million a year.

This may also help. As you will see this data is for the States,  but legal compensation in this litigious society runs higher than in England. And even in the States your average divorce lawyer only earns $96000.

Now $ 600 an hour for the very top Beverly Hills type divorce lawyer sounds like a lot. But multiply it out at 8 billing hours a day and 250 days a year and you get a gross $ 1200,000 a year. But even that number, which doesn't compare with modest management  jobs, is too high. Nobody is fully employed ie bills all their hours. And a large chunk of that comp goes to support general infrastructure. And that's for the very top guys in the USA.

• "According to payscale.com, the median salary range for divorce lawyers is $48,000 to $80,000 per year, but degreedirectory.org cites a study from 2009 showing the average divorce lawyer earns approximately $96,000 per year. Regardless, these numbers are considered being on the low end, and three of America's top divorce lawyers wouldn't get out of bed for those numbers. Forbes magazine recently published a list of the highest-paid divorce lawyers in the country, with some billing $600 per hour."

   

  In short it's not a particularly well paid branch of the law, involves nasty personal stuff and zero prestige. Not an area one would recommend to young people seeking one's guidance.

   

  I trust this helps. Honestly Dave the degree to wgich you are being whopped by Boklogic is lowering the currency of our own battles. My suggestion would be to focus on rugby for a while.

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What is contradictory? Just as top crimnal solicitors are in a position to earn good money, so are divorce solicitors of which I have first hand experience.

In every avenue of law, those at the top of their field are in a position to earn big money.

Trial lawyer is ambiguous and an American term. In the UK, criminal barristers conduct the trials where good money can be earnt, so I assume the equivalent is a trail lawyer you refer to above. In the UK one has to distinguish between a solicitor and barrister.

My point is that the majority of criminal solicitors deal with criminals with no or little income and stand to earn less than your average divorce solicitor and certainly endure a less rewarding career given the kind of people they defend on a daily basis.

Well the top litigators in the US earn way, way more than the top divorce lwyers. And why would one plan to not be at the top of your branch. That said, if the average divorce lawyer is earning $ 96000, I doubt the average criminal lawyer can be earning less.

A lot of of all this is opinion and shoud be recognised a such. Anyhow no ganging up on snapster please.

I cant comment on anything American as the terminology is different. When one talks about a lawyer one is in effect speaking about a solicitor, who spends very little time in court, unless you are a criminal solicitor who spends much of his time in the lower courts or visiting his clients in jail.

It is the job of a solicitor to brief a barrister, who's job it is to represent the client in court. 

In the UK the majority of criminal solicitors will earn on average less than the average divorce solicitor.

 U miss the point Dave. Lets take the top 10 criminal lawyers in the world vs the top 10 divorce lawyers. There is probably more criminal lawyers out there trying to make a name for themselves out there which messes with stats.

I can guarantee that the income generated from the worlds top 10 criminal guys would easily surpass that of the top 10 divorce guys. Those who can, go criminal law, those who cant, seek other options like divorce. There is a certain prestige about a criminal trial lawyer. There is a butt of a joke in divorce law! You really shouldn't "braam" about that. Its not desirable!