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I do not understand line out play anymore

Started by clevermike14 REPLIES487 VIEWS· 13 Jul 2015, 21:22
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2015, 21:22
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13 Jul 2015, 21:22#1

On Saturday while Bakkies Botha and Williams was on the field of play Matfield did not call a single line-out to come to him Whiteley and Etzebeth had to take all line-out balls thrown in by the Springboks.


It was virtually at the end of the game with both World 15 locks gone that Matfield called a single line out to come to him.   The result was that in the whole game Matfield took exactly 1 line out ball.   My uncertainty is how come a player reputedly the best line-out player of all time - in the games he plays in nowadays manage to duck out of the responsibility to take line-out balls in the way he did on Saturday.


The only other thing of note Matfield did in line-outs on Saturday was to give away a penalty by taking Williams out in the air in a line-out.


The other problem I noted is that in the case of breakdown ball protection two penalties were given again when the player trying to protect the ball was Matfield and he made no impact on the player who was trying to get a change-over.  It really looked like physical deficiency plays a role in both the line-out and latter aspect of the game.           

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XaviPro1,924 posts
13 Jul 2015, 22:04
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13 Jul 2015, 22:04#2
 Mike. Did it not occur to you that Bakkies and Victor know each other so well that Victor even said in an interview that Bakkies would know where the ball was going just by looking at him. While I don't fully support Victors inclusion in the squad, he knew Williams and Bakkies would target him. By not calling to him he kept them out of the game (lineout wise at least).
On mobile so please forgive grammar.
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XaviPro1,924 posts
13 Jul 2015, 22:12
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13 Jul 2015, 22:12#3

It’s always very difficult when it comes to a game like this as we obviously don’t have anything to prepare on, and with Flip and Bakkies there, they will know our structures and calls,” said Matfield.

“Flip was being coached by me at the Bulls not that long ago, and Bakkies knows where the ball is going to go in the lineout just by looking at me.”

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Jul 2015, 22:27
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13 Jul 2015, 22:27#4

Look up the word "decoy" Tokkie. This is a typical theme of yours....but the objective is not for Matfield to prove he can jump, rather for the team to win excellent lineout ball. If the best way to do that is to have the oppo marking Victor....so be it.

 

When the time came he soared above S tephanie and took his ball negating a possible maul try.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2015, 23:08
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13 Jul 2015, 23:08#5
 Mozart
He also missed one and messed up another line-out against the AB's and in other games he took three or less line-outs and Bakkies Williams and Frikkie were not in those games.  Matfield has developed a tendency to call line-outs to everyone but himself.
Then also in the famous game where he soared above Du Toit his line-out takes that day amounted to exactly two while Du Toit took six line-outs.  His soaring was rare and Du Toit's soaring frequent.
I m not impressed what he produced on Saturday and is not buying the story that he is doing his part in games anymore.     If it was five years ago - fine, but at present he is a passenger in the Tight 5 and that is going to cause serious problems for us in the RC and WC.   We must at all costs have Tight 5 superiority in the relevant tournaments and Matfield and Jannie make that impossible.  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
13 Jul 2015, 23:25
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13 Jul 2015, 23:25#6
 Ceradyne

Status: Rugby Legend
Posts: 4477 RE: The list of players used as escape mechanism by our three Village Idiots
July 12, 2015, 17:41:31

Ou Tokkie Hangtiete

Morne Matfield  Morne Matfield  Morne Matfield  


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XaviPro1,924 posts
13 Jul 2015, 23:32
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13 Jul 2015, 23:32#7
 Ceradyne. I posted a link to the game as I read you were struggling with youtube and Dstv copyright issues.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Jul 2015, 23:39
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13 Jul 2015, 23:39#8
 Ok Mikey heres help for ya Two lines of tall and not so tall men stand a wee bit apart from each other when the ball gets tossed betwixt 'em by a chunky-ish dude .They all leap aboot like lumpen ballerinas [ you know who the prima-donnas are doncha ?] untill eventually someone grabs the ball and runs orf sharpish like .There you are then !
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2015, 06:33
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14 Jul 2015, 06:33#9
 xavi
There is one thing in rugby which is a given - predictability is a curse.  I have watched Matfield carefully in games this year and in the EOYT last year.  The only time that Matfield really takes line-out balls is when he shifts and take up position to where the no 4 lock normally takes up position.   That is variation and that is where he a few times have been able to take opposition throw-ins.   The latter is extremely rare though and the variation does not necessarily have a serious impact in games.
Mozart missed that one completely.  In the famous game he constantly quoted Matfield took two line-outs when he shifted to the front of the line-out - one on own throw and one on opposition throw.  He soared nowhere above Du Toit since he never took any line-outs where he took up a position opposite to the latter.   
The other issue is that calling balls in line-outs not to come to him is predictable and that makes life very difficult for the other players involved - because they are target ed while Matfield is ignored by them.      
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Jul 2015, 09:56
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14 Jul 2015, 09:56#10
 Thanks Xavi. I will have a look in a while. I am following Jack Campbell on DM but haven't noticed that he has put the game up. I see that he only published it yesterday and I am just waiting for Microsoft to finish their £$%&*() updates on my laptop.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Jul 2015, 09:57
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14 Jul 2015, 09:57#11
 Hey, ou Hangtiete, are you sure that Bakkies was not replaced b y Ali?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2015, 10:16
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14 Jul 2015, 10:16#12
 Dofdoos
I would rather have hangtieties than being as stupid a c as you are. 
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
14 Jul 2015, 11:17
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14 Jul 2015, 11:17#13
Ward, that is the most complete line-out explanation I have ever seen ! Well done! LOL
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Jul 2015, 11:28
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14 Jul 2015, 11:28#14
 You are so correct. You are not as stupid a c than I am. You are more stupid. You see things that do not happen. I mean, you "saw" Ali Williams replacing Bakkies Botha and you were stupid enough to think that I would believe you.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
14 Jul 2015, 11:28
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14 Jul 2015, 11:28#15
Mike, you should have stopped at "I do not understand." 
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