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I really want to believe Aphiwe Dyantyi... his hearing starts today

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ChippoPro3,372 posts
15 Sept 2020, 12:13
#1
15 Sept 2020, 12:13#1

Usually I have no mercy on dopers... and I think they all lie when they are forced into a corner.

For some reason, I really want to believe Aphiwe Dyantyi. He just seems like such an honest guy and i want to believe that he made an innocent mistake.




  1. Aphiwe Dyantyi's long-awaited hearing into a doping offence will finally commence on Tuesday.
  2. Saids previously confirmed that all witness testimony will be presented virtually, but all other parties will be physically present.
  3. Dyantyi has been keeping fit in the meantime after recovering from the initial mental anguish from his provisional ban.


Aphiwe Dyantyi will look forward to taking a major step towards closure in his rugby career on Tuesday as his hearing into a doping offence kicks off.

The 26-year-old Springbok winger, who was an absolute sensation at international level in 2018, has been in limbo since July last year when a routine test following a national training camp revealed he had taken three banned substances.

A mandatory B-sample confirmed the results.

Dyantyi, named World Rugby's Breakthrough Player of the Year at the end of 2018, in January released a statement that outlined the supplements that potentially contributed to the adverse findings but nonetheless has been serving a provisional suspension.

Following numerous delays, which the South African Institute for Drug-Free Sport (Saids) attributed to the Covid-19 pandemic, the deadly finisher now has the opportunity to state his case.

Saids has stated that witnesses testimony will be presented on a virtual basis, while its senior lawyer will be dialled in via conference call from London.

All other relevant parties will be physically present at the hearing.

In an exclusive two-part interview with Sport24 previously, Dyantyi revealed his mental anguish at being suspended before finding coping mechanisms and keeping fit.  

- Compiled by Sport24 Staff

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2020, 12:23
#2
15 Sept 2020, 12:23#2
Fingers crossed he beats the ban but I can’t see it happening He is fighting a lost cause Let’s hope Chiliboy is not one of his witnesses!!!
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Sept 2020, 12:52
#3
15 Sept 2020, 12:52#3

"He just seems like such an honest guy and i want to believe that he made an innocent mistake."

Believe what you want but there's no innocence in cheating. And if he's found guilty then you'd have to question how long he's been cheating and whether his performances were drug fueled.

CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
15 Sept 2020, 13:32
#4
15 Sept 2020, 13:32#4

Den

Agreed. If found guilty, he must hang.

But i hope that some miracle prevails.

I just like to see the good in people.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
15 Sept 2020, 13:41
#5
15 Sept 2020, 13:41#5
Given about 3 different steroids were detected, he appears guilty. Unfortunate, as he does not seem like a cheater- unlike Steroid Boy Rapelle who tried to use it as a statement of black lives Matter. 
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
15 Sept 2020, 14:45
#6
15 Sept 2020, 14:45#6

Well, if you look at the type of steriods, it was perfectly aligned with the type of injuries he had. I think he was trying to make the World Cup team in time and put pressure on himself to be fit. 

Steroids is a fantastic drug and can do wonders. However, not when it comes to sports.

I think he is guilty.

He should stop talking to Chilli

Take time out, focus on his professional qualifications and hopefully in a year or 2 times he can come back and try again

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
15 Sept 2020, 16:47
#7
15 Sept 2020, 16:47#7

Though he was an outstanding wing.

Will we ever learn if it was his talent or the juice that made him great?

But as with all accused, he must be heard and come clean on the whole saga.

I wish him all the best.

 



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Sept 2020, 17:08
#8
15 Sept 2020, 17:08#8

The hit at 02:05 was the rugby highlight of that year for me.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2020, 17:52
#9
15 Sept 2020, 17:52#9
Steroids will assist in developing you physically it will not add to your talent or natural ability.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
15 Sept 2020, 19:04
#10
15 Sept 2020, 19:04#10
Steroids can make you run faster and be stronger in breaking tackles. However, it does not make someone more skillful. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2020, 19:17
#11
15 Sept 2020, 19:17#11
Running faster can possibly be attributed to increase in strength but more a skills training element One can get stronger without steroids it just takes longer One can only marginally increase ones speed, it’s not a profound thing. I can’t see how steroids benefited this guy as physicality was not a big part of his game
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Sept 2020, 13:48
#12
16 Sept 2020, 13:48#12
Saffex
Roid aids in recovery, muscle mass, reaction times, aggression/confidence.
I stopped using legal supplements(creatine, protein, aspartic acid and BCAAs) in the gym about a year back. The difference is notable and I'm still in the valley and not quite back to the peak I reached with supplements.
Having never used roids, I imagine, the difference between supplements and roids is probably bigger than the difference between full natural and supplements.
If the above is true, then it will surely have been a benefit to Dyanti. 
Some pals are trying to convince me to use HGH but man that shit makes everything grow...including moles and/or benign tumours that weren't a problem before. I'll continue to steer clear and just smoke a bit of pot prior to lifting haha.

A pity as I did enjoy Dyanti's eagerness to get involved. 
Nkosi and Ismael(spelling) are still my top two though. 
Of note;However, research with frogs has shown that anabolic steroids can enhance androgen receptors on nerve endings, so there's some potential for increased reactions.

Faster reactions tie in with skill level. So one could argue that angle too.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2020, 17:11
#13
16 Sept 2020, 17:11#13

Plum

I watched the WC final repeatedly and I unfortunately have to disagree with you om the wings - Mapimpi and Kolbe were the two best wings in the final.   

Where  I have a problem in the whole WC series was with Willie at full back   If there was one Springbok back line player who failed repeatedly in the WC it was him.   I would call up Duhan van der Merwe and see how he does at full back.   Le Roux is over 30 and not an investment for 2023.

Fact is for the back triangle I would pick Mapimpi, Kolbe, Van der Merwe and Fassie ,       

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Sept 2020, 18:31
#14
16 Sept 2020, 18:31#14
Bullshit Mike you will find that Willie had a hand in virtually every try the Boks scored in the WC. There is a Youtube video showing this very fact. Those that don’t see the merit in Willie do not understand or appreciate the finer details of the game All you see is Willie knocking a ball on or missing a tackle and you define him by that. Willie got better and better as the WC progressed and was great in the final. Our best two wings in my book are Nkosi and Kolbe
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Sept 2020, 10:48
#15
17 Sept 2020, 10:48#15

Mike, I don't see how you've disagreed with me.

Nkosi and Ismael were not playing in the final...Ismael wasn' t even in the squad.

I like Kolbe too and Mapimpi impressed me, particularly under the high ball, which is as not expecting at all. 

I just prefer the other two guys(Nkosi & Ismael) for my own reasons.

...again, taking nothing away from Chessie or Mapimpi. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Sept 2020, 18:43
#16
17 Sept 2020, 18:43#16

What rot about Willie.....he had a terrific final. As for Mapimpi he was certainly better than expected, but it’s hard to forget how his defensive lapse against Sevu  Reece gifted the ABs the pool game. Was he ever tested defensively again?


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
17 Sept 2020, 18:49
#17
17 Sept 2020, 18:49#17
Neither Leroux nor Faff are good at kicking up and under's. The quarters and semis saw many poor kicks. Kolbe would be a better option at 15 if the game plan is up and under's. 
Kolbe is also safer under the high ball than Leroux on defence. Kolbe is also a better cover tackler, albeit he is smaller than Leroux. 
When Pollard started taking more of the tactical kicking game, everything started to click right from the start of the match.
Faff also kicked more contestable up and unders, when he did kick. 
Leroux made very few errors in the final, and he got more chance to join the backline instead of doing aimless up and under. 
SE
SebPro2,680 posts
17 Sept 2020, 18:52
#18
17 Sept 2020, 18:52#18

I agree with Saffex...Willie is class...he's not perfect (but when he fires, he is) but he is worthy of  selection...the finer details of his game.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Sept 2020, 07:46
#19
18 Sept 2020, 07:46#19

Shark,

Willie is probably the most technically sound tackler in the squad. He's never been a defensive liability and he is excellent under the high ball too.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Sept 2020, 11:32
#20
18 Sept 2020, 11:32#20
Plum that’s a stretch!!!
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Sept 2020, 12:19
#21
18 Sept 2020, 12:19#21

About his tackling?

Nobody in the team wraps up ankles like he does. 


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
18 Sept 2020, 14:07
#22
18 Sept 2020, 14:07#22
Leroux has games when he is brilliant under the high ball, but he is not as good as Kolbe under the high ball- few people are. Kolbe is the better defender of the two as well. 
Leroux's best attribute is organising the attack. Even when he started playing for the Boks on the wing, when he enters the backline he draws defenders and creates space for other backs. He is a great passer - and knows how to get players to run off him on attack.
He is also a good finisher, but his playmaking ability is his strongest skill. 
Once the ball goes through a few phases, Leroux enters the backline at second receiver and creates space for his backs to score. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2020, 16:23
#23
18 Sept 2020, 16:23#23

Mozart

You refer to one defensive lapse - but there were two.  I do not think the error of Mapimpi was as blatant as the missed tackle by Mostert - which led to the one try.

Although Le Roux was very solid under the high ball he made a number of critical mistakes as well.   Losing the ball forward and a forward pass were two of those.  His passsing to Kolbe was poor as well.   

I think Willie will be phased out anyway.      

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2020, 03:24
#24
19 Sept 2020, 03:24#24
You forget when Willie broke the line early in the Pom test the pace deficient Dud Allende got left behind.....that was a try with a faster centre.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Sept 2020, 05:29
#25
19 Sept 2020, 05:29#25

Moz, the Bok mashup game later this year might see Allende and JVR square up. I suspect we'll see a lot more of JVR after that.

Vrottie, Kolbe may have gotten into some good defensive positions during the WC and indeed made great tackles, but there ain't a chance in hell he has better tackling technique than Willie.

Nobody in the team does.



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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Sept 2020, 08:46
#26
19 Sept 2020, 08:46#26

Willie is not an especially great defender, there are much better defenders in the team. But he isn't a particular liability. He doesn't pack much of a punch in contact. 

Our very best defender is Esterhuizen. Talking about the opportunity that Damian blew in the WC, Esterhuizen routinely gets into position and releases outside backs in situations like that. One is a body in a Jersey, the other a rugby player. 

To Aphiwe: His talent goes well beyond physical attributes. It's rather sad, as we started seeing the very best of him in the 2019 Super rugby season. He was one of our top 3 ball carriers. In 2018, he was very poor against the NH sides, who were more tactically sound than the reactive SH players he faced. 

Willie: On attack he is used as a link. But, under Rassie, he is far less effective as the attacking units are too deep. He often receives the ball with the defence in his face about 5m behind the gainline. He has great vision and anticipation. He draws and passes. Most of our players can't draw and pass because they can't feel the flow of the defence. Willie is most often in a unit out wide, usually with 13, 6 or 11/14, or a lone player connecting two units. There have been occasions where we have had two three man pods, and he will be behind the second pod, ready for the next phase. In box formations he is often the lead player in the front line, Damian usually the pocket runner (and quite predictable). 


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2020, 09:22
#27
19 Sept 2020, 09:22#27

Sometimes a tractor is the best equipment for the job.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Sept 2020, 10:06
#28
19 Sept 2020, 10:06#28

Damian reminds me more of the old gritters I used to see as a child. Minus the grit of course. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2020, 10:38
#29
19 Sept 2020, 10:38#29

The fact is that AO is totally deluded and lose out in facts.   Esterhuizen has one serious deficiency and that is defense.   He is also not a player usable in the Erasmus game plan and that was the reason he was omitted from the WC squad,   

De Allende was the top center in the whole WC and that came from English commentators,   After watching the final again it is clear that his contribution in the game was monumental.  . 

The fact is that the Springboks won the WC with a wide  winning score because for the first time in near to a decade they had a proper coach who proved to be the best in the  world.    

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2020, 10:44
#30
19 Sept 2020, 10:44#30

Mozart

What break did Le Roux make that could have let to a try?   The one incident involving Le Roux leading to an attack on De Allende never happened and you must be in dreamworld again.   Anyway you blame Du Toit for the problems in the Welsh semi - what about Le Roux knocking on the ball with an open tryline in front of him? 

The problem with your descriptions of what happened in games are always extremely questionable  and can never be regarded as being of any value whatsoever. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2020, 17:03
#31
19 Sept 2020, 17:03#31

Oompie the  problem is you miss what happens, deny it happened when others point it out, are forced to actually look  at it for the first time.....then you are embarrassed and lie about it.

It’s a boring cycle of stupidity. Allende never kept up with the Willie break, learn from it or deny it, I really don’t care.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2020, 17:44
#32
19 Sept 2020, 17:44#32

Mozart

I may occasionally miss what happened in games and really check the actual occurrences out when you pointed it out.  In all checked cases your comments have been make-believe and unique - no real experts ever saw what you came up with   The last effort related to an attack on De Allende where what you wrote turned out to be totally false - so nothing else is new in you case. 

Players you are prejudiced  against because they threaten the selection of the old and useless are always attacked by you and mostly with info provided that is totally falsified or described in a way that never happened,

So when did Willie make the famous break.   In the test he attacked the line twice and in both cases fouled up.- in the one case he spilled the ball when Underhill tackled him and in the other case he made a poor ass to Kolbe who knocked the ball on.   In the final  Willie carried the ball 7  times for a territory gain of 8 meters.   In those seven are included  a knock on by Willie himself - a forward pass to Mapimpi and a poor pass to Kolbe.   

In the case where Willie carried the ball and spilled  it Willie had two players outside of him t whom e should have passed - he hang onto the ball too long and lost it forward when Underhill tackled him.   

            .

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Sept 2020, 04:39
#33
20 Sept 2020, 04:39#33

Step 1.....denial

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Sept 2020, 10:32
#34
20 Sept 2020, 10:32#34

Not sure if this already happening but wouldn't a list of approved supplements help conclude doping cases more quickly?

There are hundreds of brands but less than ten types of supplement. A couple of different variations of protein and creatine but the rest is pretty standard.

It'll also make investigation of contaminated batches quicker.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2020, 11:19
#35
20 Sept 2020, 11:19#35

Mozart

I don't deny anything, but I also do not invent false match descriptions - that I leave to you.   Whenever you describe incidents it is falsified to discredit the players you dislike.           

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Sept 2020, 16:29
#36
20 Sept 2020, 16:29#36

Step 2 ....the incident is identified.

It happened at minute 3.42:

The Boks are playing with an advantage. The Beast, who you said was too old,  destroys Old King Cole who has just subbed on....the Boks move to the left Am and Mapimpi are on the left flank, but stopped.


The play swings right....Pollard to Willie.....Dud Allende is outside but two steps too deep.

He gets confused and tries to get in position by trotting laterally across the field....if he was in line  with Willie a pop pass into the gap was on.

Willie sees Farrell has Dud marked and goes to plan B....beating Ford on the outside. He hits the accelerator and makes the break.... Dud still doesn’t react...slow thinking is his Achilles heal.

Instead of sprinting round Farrell he trots into his back, trying to get through a space already filled by Willie and Farrell.....a real test centre would have gone instantly withWillie and given Farrell had to turn, would have gotten round him and provided an outlet.

When Willie went outside....Allende had to go outside.....centre play 101!

Instead Kolbe who is 4 times as far away, has to come inside and Willie has to hold the pass...by the time Kolbe is in position Ford has recovered and manages to get a hand on Pollard’s passing arm impeding the pass.....for which you ignorantly blame Willie. Dud trots aimlessly behind the move.


 In the ensuing play the Poms pass the ball right across their own try line....Dud has May in his sights, but gets easily beaten and then gassed by May. Later in the game he was similarly beaten by Watson.


Two  minutes which showcase the attacking and defensive inadequacies of Dud Allende....two chances to force a try with capable centre play.



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2020, 21:47
#37
20 Sept 2020, 21:47#37

I must have watched the game at least ten times watched the game  after you comment on  dreamed-up incidents occurrence on site and found they were indeed dreamed-up,   What you said happened is about the latest incident is equally far-fetched and really an abu se of reality. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Sept 2020, 02:25
#38
21 Sept 2020, 02:25#38

Step 3....the lie, exactly as predicted.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Sept 2020, 04:40
#39
21 Sept 2020, 04:40#39

The lie was n your part is as per normal  a total misrepresentation  anyway because you yet has to understand the game as a whole.   Le Roux ran into a wall of defenders nd made a poor pass to Kolbe who hold onto the ball by some miracle and De Allende was a key in preventing a ball loss at the resultant breakdown,   There was no real threat of a try being scored.   

This attempt was a result of a total lie of yours  about what happened during the subsequent backline attack which was exposed previously,   

How do you manage to make a fool and mostly liar of yourself  continuously?      .  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Sept 2020, 05:07
#40
21 Sept 2020, 05:07#40
Step 4.....the insults to bolster a weak argument. Case closed.....what a total bore you are.
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