If you were BOK coach....

 Mate, no one is question Heynecke Meyer here. You are looking way too deep into this instead of having light hearted fun. None of us said "I would do a better job than Meyer!" or "Meyer is missing a trick here!" We are just sharing opinions due to what we have seen over the course of the Super 15 and what we would like to see if we had the opportunity. SA rugby is full of politics, hence the selection issues Heynecke faces and we know that. I listed in the introduction to remove politics and just name your bok dream team basically with players from now.

Loosen up. You trying to send clever but its not working. Everyone else shared their opinions, we dont need you to state the obvious. If we were actually the Bok coach, we would not be having light hearted fun on this blog!

 Mate, no one is question Heynecke Meyer here. You are looking way too deep into this instead of having light hearted fun. None of us said "I would do a better job than Meyer!" or "Meyer is missing a trick here!" We are just sharing opinions due to what we have seen over the course of the Super 15 and what we would like to see if we had the opportunity. SA rugby is full of politics, hence the selection issues Heynecke faces and we know that. I listed in the introduction to remove politics and just name your bok dream team basically with players from now.

Loosen up. You trying to sound clever but its not working. Everyone else shared their opinions, we dont need you to state the obvious. If we were actually the Bok coach, we would not be having light hearted fun on this blog!

@apollo

apollo was the god of the sun accourding to the greeks. he was creative and a thinker....but looking at your posts there is nothing creative nore sunny about your failed logic

my posts that i made is intended towards building stucture and maintaining sucess across all levels of pro rugby. the names that i mentioned are names that i know from people in the coaching ferternity and from the people that know a thing or 2 about rugby. theses people command respect in there respective roles. the posts that we are making are in regards building structure and building a style of play that is competive in almost every game.

the options that i was mentioning like the skills coach and attacking coach reflects the style that i personally feels is in touch with the reality of how the game is meant to be played and building towards a winning game pattern. if there game pattern evolves and the respective plans work then we will reach a stage that it does not a matter which coach we employ our sides will continue to perform and be a winning team.

i am a coach myself and i do understand that the game is moving at a rapid rate. so evolving and building a better pattern of play and player development will in the long run enable the players to have the best possible chance of being the best. our sides in the past have just focused on certain areas without building on that and working on there weakneses. which is by far backline play and skills. so dont look blindly at my names. the point i am tryining to make is that there must be mindset change.

i never said i want to the coach but i am quite sure with the level of talent and resources at meyer's whim i am sure i can at least give it a bash.

the argument we are trying to make is the approach and tactics needs to be different to be the best. the public comments that meyer and co made about our backs not being good and they only focuses on kicking instead ofher keys areas is the reason why so many are concerned. the collective members of this forum knows that the kicking mule defence only 10 man game wont be a winning formula. not against the best in the world at least over a sustained lenght and period of time. being dominant means you must be dominant from 1 to 15 on the pitch..

 Problem with you Moz is that you speak the biggest load of shit out there. Starting with Steph du Toit being out of his depth, you were proven completely wrong on this front by the facts of that match - FACT

As for our best centre, please dont tell me that is Jean......what a joke, he might have been the best 5 years ago......he is long past it. Our best centres are Frans, JP, JJ, Taute, Whitehead and Jordaan.

Your problem is that you are stuck in the past, you bang on about Meyer and his conservatism or Bulls bias.......but you are no better......for you Jean, Habana, Morne and Schalk would be the answer to us beating NZ and co - you are delusional, we need fresh, creative players who represent the new, not players past their prime hoping to compete with NZ on the strength of experience.

My side is the perfect side to beat the Kiwi's......man for man they are better than the Kiwi's but for 10, but with Goosen we have a Carter in the making. Your side is yesterday, mine is tomorrow.

Given Etzebeth and Bekker are my starters, who the hell would you select as your bench lock, let me guess Johan Muller???????

And wow imagine moving Frans to 15.......ouch

CJ on the bench - bloody hell man, talk about conservative and way off the mark, CJ cant make the Lions starting 15, he is playing off the bench, what does that tell you?

Apollo has been variously recognized as a god of light and the sun, truth and prophecy, healing, plague, music, poetry, and more. Truth is the one that matters... And if the truth does not fit into your definition of a sunny disposition, then so be it...

You see, you once again go on about the "kicking mule defence only 10 man game" crap, which is an assumption. The first half in the second test is the type of play Heyneke is aiming for (the truth) and that is definitely NOT a ten man kicking game (also a truth)...

The Boks played three games, where they had very little chance to prepare under Meyer and it was in a test series where only a few before-hand gave them a chance in any case... A series they actually won comfortably in the end... And now, even before they play any games, everybody is already convinced that it is going to be a boring style of play, based on the boring Bulls game... So boring that it yielded the highest return in terms of number of tries scored.

All I see is assumptions and more assumtions... One can only make a judgement, once you have facts (truths)... And those truths, include the fact that there are injured players, not available, which means you have to make the best of what you do have available.

You can never build a sustainable structure based on what you might have available one day, if you are lucky...

And you must be smoking some seriously good stuff if you think Meyer said that the backs he has available is not good enough and that he therefore focuses on kicking instead... He never said that and he also will not say something as absurd as that.

Snapster Burger at 29 is not past it quite yet. The issue with him is whether or not he will recover from injury. Some think this long layoff will have prolonged his rugby career provded injuries heal. You do not pass from being the best player in Sa in 2011 to past it in a few months. He provides real playing ability and immense experience and leadership.

Habana is still playing good rugby as is Jean - who probably has one more season in him where he shares the center role and helps develope his successor. Whitehead is not international class.

As for Frans at 15 well I only hope lambie gets his mojo back as he has been a bit off. I am not yet convinced he is the answer at 15. If we experience problems at 15 Frans does become an option to consider.