Israel Folau - Crowd Funding

Of course Cloudy after all you will not be defending Biblical truth so no chance of you being fired. Christians being fired from their job because of faithfully sharing God's Word is of no concern to you and you definitely won't support brother Folau. 

Obviously you don't believe the Biblical teachings about hell so warning people who are in danger of going there is reprehensible to you.

What will wake you up. Have you ever been awake I wonder. Daft as a hatter!

You accuse Folau of trying to make money out of this. Folau risked his livelihood by sharing Biblical truth. Money clearly was not motivating him. 

Glad Folau saw the light and got out if the Mormon cult. 

Let's hope millions flow in and Folau sues the pants off the nz goth weirdo and Oz Rugby. Send Raylene packing Oz the nutcase belongs down in nz. Hahahahaha. 

The pervs here are clearly on the side of homosexuality, lesbianism, transgenderism and pedophilia. Nothing seems to worry these pervs about what is happening. They are worse than I thought. 

So Folau gives these people a warning from scripture and loses his livelihood and he does it for money. You are a crazy loon Cloudy. You are also anti Christian despite you claims to the contrary.

Watch this clip Cloudy and hopefully you will get a glimmer!

So Folau gives these people a warning from scripture and loses his livelihood and he does it for money. You are a crazy loon Cloudy. You are also anti Christian despite you claims to the contrary.

Watch this clip Cloudy and hopefully you will get a glimmer!

You really are dumb Cloudy did you watch the clip regarding the legal implications. How can you be so ignorant - it must be wilful.

Watch this clp. Your hero Raylene is hideous. Wouldn't be surprised is she isn't a satanist. As a reminder:

To Israel Foolou (& Beano) put aside the Old Testament ...... in the New Testament Jesus doesn't have much to say about sex, nothing about homosexuality, but a helluva lot to say about poverty. Go study ...... tell me if I'm wrong .

Note that sunni bill williams,a muslim, says gays are worse than animals but no problem with him.

See how Raylene destroyed the Western Force. AShe looks like a satanist to me.

Note the Nz Pm is a moslem as was Hussein obummer.

Watch that clip oaks and wise up.He makes excellent points.

Cloudy you really are really dumb. Of course Folau HAS to sue. One has to stop people being fired for their opinions. Watch the clip about how the legal issues effect you. You have no excuse for being so totally ignorant. Your BS about his dovng this for money is so obviously absurd the mind boggles at you profound stupidity.

Bob, Jesus didnt say much about homosexualvty as it was so obvious it was condemned. Other writers of the NT condemn homosexualty in numerous verses. The Old testament condemns homosexuality in many places as well. God says homosexualvty is a sin, those practising it will not enter the kingdom of God. End of story no matter what that hideous goth creature says. Folau and any other Christian must warn them. Cloudy of course doesn't believe the numerous teachings about hell in the bible so is horrified by Folau speaking out

The fact is normal people everywhere think it is a disgusting perversion. We need to stand up and reject LGBT and pedophilva and of course the murder of the unborn. What a absolute dvsgarce these pervs are!

A door has been opened by Rugby Australia to run roughshod over every Christian sportsman and woman. In fact it could very easily spill over to every Christian in society. Business ... you name it.

Totally unacceptable.

Folau is not only fighting for his rights to voice his beliefs as per the written word of God but also for every Christian too. We were assigned the task of spreading the gospel of Christ to every corner on the planet, and that means speaking the whole truth, and not selected parts of God's word as deemed acceptable by the fag lovers.  

This door needs to slammed shut and if it takes the help of his fellow Christians and other supporters, then I'm all for it.

RA thought that their coffers would overpower Folau ... giving them victory. I bet they didn't see this coming.

Let us see how well these poo dipping lovers do against us all.

Go Folau.

Well said CC. What the heck do you make of Cloudy who consistently stands against Christians. Never seen anything like it. Always on the wrong side of things.Doggedly ignorant.

Did you watch that clip?

Not-so-CC, I'll definitely see you in hell .

Did you see the nz PM say Mohammed is allahs prophet. The same prophet who said its okay to kill gays. What the heck is going on. Folau is not calling for any gays to be killed just warning them of God's judgement. But she condemned Folau!

Beeno, it is very rude to call other posters rude, ignorant or stupid if you don't agree with their POV.

I don't agree with everything Cloudy says, but she is not anti Christian or pro Moslem...not against Folau either, but against what she perceives as greed on his part...and she can back it up with his previous behavior when money was involved.  I know this is an important issue, but we will all have to wait and see how this pans out, before we can assess Folau's real motives.

Hansie was also weak when it came to money...Christians an non Christians get tempted by all kinds of things.

BeanDip ... I understand Cloudy's view point. She sees it as a quest by Folau to enrich himself by using the public as his personal ATM machine.

I don't think she's against Christianity as a whole. She hasn't said so. Not that I've read anyway. It sounds more to me as though she's against what she sees as a greedy man, pretending to be righteous ... in other words ... a charlatan. 

Who can blame her. There's so many around these days.

Most think that Folau's fighting this fight on his own. That God's not a part of it ... how could He be ... He doesn’t exist ... remember? They aren't aware of the blood covenant that exists between them ... nor do they understand what that actually entails. Most folk do not have a relationship with God, even though they think they do. If they did they would understand what that covenant binds both parties to. It is totally lost on them.

This is not Folau’s fight alone ... God could very well be an active participant in Folau’s everyday life. I would not be surprised to hear that God has made the public’s funds available for this fight.

No Blob ... you won't ... it isn't a place were we gather together to party.

You will be confined to your own suffering ... a place completely separate to mine.

So CC if Folau loses his court case will that mean your god doesn't exist and you will:

1.  become an Atheist 
2. Admit your God is an inept god and can do fuck all so you might as well be an Atheist or find a different god that might be able to actually do something.
3. Do what every Christian does when something goes against your god and that is God works in mysterious way, god doesn't interfere in these situations as that removes free will  or you were just wrong as god isn't doing anything about this at all.

And if Falou wins of course that is absolute proof that your god exists, I love how you make a 50/50 statement that no matter which way it goes you have an out 

CC as you said Folau is not fighting for himself alone but on behalf of ALL Christians and others who could be affected if they say anything non PC and could lose their jobs as a consequence. What amazes me is that there so much censorship going on and these plonkers don see this is more of the same.

in Europe and the UK you cannot say anything criticising islam no matter what they get up to. They say its hate speech and send you to jail. Over in the USA there is a big fight brewing over the Tech giants who are far left globalists. This has reached Congress and there is talk about breaking these fascist companies up.

Cloudy says noting about sunni bill williams or any of the points raised in that clip. She is not horrvfved by her PM wearing a Burka and say Mohammed is the prophet of allah!! All she can do is smear Folau for raising funds to fight the Oz rugby union run by a weird freak nz goth.

Cloudy doesn't really speak out against the LGBT perversions but sides with those supporting LGBT. She doesn't say much about pedophilia, the preying of these scumbags on children etc. Nor does she say anything much about abortions. She meekly accepts it all and complains that Folau has asked for some 3 million Oz dollar to help him fight the despicable Oz rugby Union. So Folau gives up his livelihood to make money from a lawsuit. You cant make up this BS. Of course he should not have to bear the burden of paying for the lawsuit alone. Why would you ever think like that!!!!!!!!!!! Why would you not support Folau vn his warning about thransgendrvsm bevng foisted on children. No all Cloudy has time for is to attack Folau - that vs her major thrust in what she wri tes. Shame on her.

SaderFan ... No!

Long live freedom of speech.Atheism is dead,just pervs left trying to silence the truth of scripture.

Oh my the God hating rooitwit shows up. Calling the Holy Son of God gay is blasphemy rooitwit. Nobody can stop you but you will give an account. . .

Did your gay bar close early today perv?

Moonrover these people can't stand biblical truth. 

"Why do the nations rage

2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Ole Rooinek,you can post on your Facebook page about Jesus what you want to,Quantas won't stop you.

As one of the only aussie rugby supporters on here. 

i say good on you izzy.

I wont throw my hard earned $$ into the cause but i think one needs to realise that the noisy left arent the majority. 30/70 at best.

We have a CEO (irish national) of australia flagship airline amongst any number of other influential commercial types trying to sway conservative values to suit their own twisted view of normality.

I think Izzy will go very close to achieving the cash target and frankly if you have any insight you can clearly see its not about the money for izzy.... its about principle.

Watch how it pans out pretty interesting that news corp are trying as hard as they can in the media to sway public opinion... reality is people have had enough of being told what to think by the propaganda machine = mainstream media....

Go izzy sue the pricks and hope a lot of heads roll...

re rugby argies v crusaders in chch is obvious outcome...

crusaders to win... eek the sad irony of it al...

If its all about his principles why must other people pay for it?

I don't ask people to pay up when I can follow my principles I just pay for it myself.

I could understand him asking for assistance if he had no money but he has double what he is seeking, funny how he wont spend his own money for his principles.

Folau is becoming almost as bad an advertisement for christianity as the deceitful, stupid and delusional Baboon-ou.

I am afraid there is one element clear on site,   I was always under the impression that NZ residents are religious - but according to website info about 45% of the people are either agnostics or totally without any religious convictions at all.   

I am not a religious fanatic - and do not base my relationship with people on religious grounds - bit do not attack people with different ideas based on religious grounds like some do on site.   I respect people on the basis of how they behave in society,  

I do not like fanatics - be it religious or political in nature,  What is fare to my mind is that people be judged fairly on what contributions they make to society an the environment they live in,    Some attacks on people on site shows there is really is no  interest in society as a whole and people are attacked often on total misrepresentation and prejudice,

On the Folau issue - he is a top class sportsman with serious religious beliefs.  He  h as never physically attacked anyone and what he says is what he was brought up to believe in.   Not allowing to say what he believes in is just sheer dictatorship by people with no real convictions  other than to rule the world we are all supposed to live in.

When people talk about politics the same applies.   Nobody dares to try and help the ordinary people in countries - if they do the media owned by the financial elite goes ballistic.   After all the rich do not care a hell about what happens to the people living in countries - they have the politicians who use political office to enrich themselves.   There is a link between leftwing politicians  and there capitalist masters,  As Lenin said:-

“Bourgeois democracy is democracy of pompous phrases, solemn words, exuberant promises and the high-sounding slogans of freedom and equality. But, in fact, it screens the non-freedom and inferiority of women, the non-freedom and inferiority of the toilers and exploited.”

In the modern world that is true and we have the biggest scoundrels ever applying totally what Lenin said and those scoundrels are the political elite and their financial masters in so-called democratic societies,  At present the situation is the same as what leftist did in Communist Russia.   Are they using more subtle oppressive measures than the Communists did in Russia?   I think not  - they are the dictators of the modern world.           

Exactly Oom Clever, when will people wake up to this?

Go Folau, sue them for as much as you can get. Great that so many are supporting Folau regarding legal fees as no ways should he bear the financial burden to fight this act of tyranny alone.

Great also so many voices being raised on Folau's behalf.

See a German parliamentarian is calling for the silencing of right wing German Patriots and laws to ban them even assembling! Fascists! The LGBT open borders globalists cant stand anybody not bowing to their absurd PC views which are aimed at destroying their nation states. Now they are also wanting laws whereby anybody destroying an EU flag or EU symbols will get 3 years in jail. No wonder the globalists are losing support everyday!

Cloudy, doubtless Folau found he had been fooled by the false mormon cult and demanded his money back. He must have been dismayed to find out he had been funding a bad cult. Really hope he got his money back!

Oz you guys need to realize you make a terrible mistake employing that freak nz goth weirdo. She has severely damaged Oz rugby and if Folau wins his lawsuit, as he should, then that about bankrupts the Union. The freak nz goth women played as big role in all this. Send her packing back to nz. Who knows perhaps the nz rugby people will give her the CEO role Hahahhahahahahahaha Actually doubt it as they don't want their rugby destroyed.

Wonder if anything will now happen to muslim sunni bill williams for saying gays are worse than animals. Something ought to happen if we are actually dealing with principles but of course we are not. This is just a globalist attack on free speech and Christians. The hypocrisy in all this is stunning.

Dear Raylene says Oz rugby is inclusive HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT FRAUDULENT STATEMENT! RAYLENE GO GO BACK TO NZ YOU AR POLLUTING OZ.

RAYLENE, IF YOU CAN'T GET A JOB IN RUGBY IN NZ YOU CAN ALWAYS APPLY TO WORK ON SOME FREAK SHOW WHERE YOU COULD BE A STAR TURN!. STILL AMAZED THE USUALLY SAVVY OZ OAKS BLUNDERED LIKE THIS!! MUST HAVE BEEN INFILTRATED BY BAD PEOPLE.NEED A BIG HOUSE CLEANING.

GETTING SMASHED IN COURT COULD ASSIST THIS. WE SHALL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. WILL OZ REMAIN A FREE COUNTRY OR HAS THE GLOBALIST TAKE OVER HAPPENED.

Oh dear here we go again. Cloudy you continue to amaze with your profound ignorance. Go and find out what the Book of Mormon teaches. How it differs from the bible and is full of heresies.

Once again you are on the wrong side of matters. Here is a little something to help you start.

Lynn K Wilder served in the Mormon Temple and as an LDS professor in Utah. She explains what convinced her to leave.

During my 30 years as a Mormon, I sincerely believed that mystical ‘spiritual experiences’ aligned me with my heavenly Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost (I believed in three separate gods, but no Trinity) in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS).

When a patriarch laid his hands on my head to give me a blessing, complete with Jewish lineage, I felt something like electricity course through my body. I was frequently overcome with emotion serving as an ordinance worker in the Chicago Temple or as a professor at the Church’s leading education institute, Brigham Young University. I bore testimony that Joseph Smith restored ‘the only true and living Church’.

Sincerely, I trusted feelings that flowed from these experiences, not aware that they might be counterfeit; rooted in what the Bible calls ‘another Jesus’ who teaches ‘another gospel’. Today, I neither trust feelings alone nor the sought-after visitations of spirits in the temple as fitting measures to test truth. One must also engage the brain and read the Bible.

While he was a Mormon missionary, our third son, Micah, read the Bible several times, eventually challenging his Mormon family to do the same. Like cold water in my face, I was stunned to find profound doctrinal conflicts between the Bible and the LDS scriptures.

As a Mormon, I believed the Bible was missing precious truths revealed in our own faith, but I wanted to look at it for myself to decide. As soon as I read it, I recognised obvious doctrinal conflicts, and I reasoned: ‘If they teach different terms of salvation, they can’t be the same Jesus.’(NOTE CLOUDY!)

The Bible clearly teaches that salvation is a free gift. One crosses from death to life instantly upon believing in the one who paid for my sins on the cross. There was no waiting until the end of my life to see if I had done enough. No Mormon temple works – whose signs, tokens and handshakes are actually Masonic – are required for eternal life.

THE BIBLE CLEARLY TEACHES THAT SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT

Jesus himself said: ‘One greater than the temple is here’ (Matthew 12:6, ASV). Which Jesus was I to believe?

The Mormon Jesus and the biblical Jesus teach a different nature of Christ and, at the very crux of Christianity, they teach different ways to salvation. Even LDS prophet Gordon B Hinckley said: ‘The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.’

According to LDS teaching, the Mormon Jesus was born as the first spirit child of a probable heavenly mother and heavenly father. This Jesus is a created being.(NOTE CLOUDY) He was not a god initially but earned his way to deity over time. The second spirit child was Lucifer. Both brothers presented their plans to the Council of the Gods for the future salvation of those on earth. Jesus’ plan was accepted, while Lucifer took a third of the host of heaven and was cast down. Then came the rest of us. Men might one day earn godhood. Women bear spirit children throughout the eternities as queens and priestesses to their husbands.(HAVE YOU EVER HEARD SUCH SATANIC LIES!!!)

None of this matches the biblical account, where Jesus is God and Lucifer is a fallen angel. Indeed, the greatest lie Satan fed us in the garden was that we could be ‘like God’, yet this is what Mormons believe.

There are other important ways in which Mormon teaching does not match biblical teaching on Christ’s atonement, but most significantly the Mormon Jesus teaches that membership in the LDS Church is required for eternal life. According to the Bible, his Church is a body of believers. No organisation can save.(AMEN!!)

So, has the Mormon Church rescinded its most pernicious doctrines? Not really. According to LDS scripture, polygamy is an eternal principle and dark skin is a curse. Although many do not know or accept these teachings, they are still presented in their scriptures, in official Church manuals and in the sacred temple. The official Church website portrays these books of Mormon scripture as ‘pure truth’ and ‘utterly reliable’.

Although polygamy is no longer practised physically in this life, if a first wife to whom a man is ‘sealed’ (in marriage for this life and the next in the temple) dies and he is sealed to a second, he expects to be married to both women in the hereafter.(JESUS SAYS THERE IS NO MARRIAGE IN HEAVEN)

In 1978, LDS prophet Spencer W Kimball reported a revelation from God. Blacks could hold the priesthood. All who were worthy could now enter the temple, be sealed as families in the next life and receive eternal life with the Father. The admission that all (males) are equal in God’s sight mirrors Bible teaching; however, the teaching that dark skin is a curse still exists in 26 Mormon scriptures. Was Joseph Smith incorrect when he wrote them down as revelations from the Mormon Jesus?

Many anticipate that the LDS Church is morphing toward biblical Christianity. Nevertheless, as long as Mormonism reveres Joseph Smith as a prophet, teaches that Christ failed to establish a Church that would last but Smith did, and supports his extra-biblical scriptures as truth, these teachings are far outside mainstream Christianity. Doctrines such as the nature of God, who Jesus is, the condition of humankind, the creation, salvation, atonement, marriage and eternal life are just a few of the divergent teachings.

Mormons often sound the same as Christians, but since barely one religious word actually means the same between the faiths, always ask a Mormon, ‘What do you mean by that?’ (YUP LOOKS LIKE FOLAU WAS DECEIVED BIG TIME AND REALISED HE HAD BEEN GIVING TO A SATANIC CULT. NO WONDER HE WANTED HIS MONEY BACK!)

Mormons say they believe in Jesus. Some have even encountered him. Only Jesus can judge the heart, but given that LDS teachings contradict Bible teachings, one has to ask which Jesus?

Although it came at a cost, my whole family and I ended up leaving Mormonism in order to follow the real saviour.(AS FOLAU HAS EXPERIENCED FOLLOWING CHRIST FAITHFULLY OFTEN COMES AT A COST)

Four facts about Mormonism

1. There are more than 15 million Mormons in the world today, including approximately 190,000 in the UK

2. The LDS Church is governed by a ‘prophet’, in a line going back to its founder, Joseph Smith

3. As well as the Bible, Mormons revere three books of teaching and scripture: The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrines and Covenants

4. Mormons believe that they can be baptised on behalf of dead relatives in order to bring them to salvation

Lynn K Wilder is author of Unveiling Grace: The Story of How We Found Our Way Out of the Mormon Church (Zondervan) and is co-founder of Ex-Mormon Christians United for Jesus; unveilingmormonism.com

Wouldn't mind as much if you went under the banner of atheist and you were applauding the muslims and mormons. But claiming to be a Christian and now applauding a satanic cult goes way beyond the pale. You are no Christian at all OR one so ignorant that I have never ever seen the lIkes of this before. I cannot actually comprehend how you as a Christian be so Ignorant. My sheep hear my voice and the voice of another they will not hearken unto.

You say nothing about the huge errors of the Mormons concerning the absolutely vital question of Salvation and the Deity of Christ. You don't say a word about all the massive errors that clearly show them to be a Satanic cult. All that matters is that some Satanist gives something to someone and they are then great people!. That is the limits of your discernment. Never mind they lead people astray in the most fundamental of ways!!!!!!!!!!!

You have now sunk to the level of poor sharktwit and can't go much lower.

How in the world do you know about the people I know you mampara! I have know muslims all my life! I live in the Cape and there are plenty of them around so you meet them in the workplace and all over - my neigbour is a muslim.

I have had Mormons into my house to discuss their cult. Had them completely stumped and they left in a daze. Wonder what happened to them after the truth they heard. Were young guys with badges calling themselves Elder John etc. They actually had very little knowledge of the bible and were really unnerved by the scriptures that were presented to them.

Cloudy when you give Jesus says you don't let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. You keep your giving secret. Otherwise you are like the Pharisees and have had your reward. o boasting about your giving so as to gain the applause of men

Again you display the fact you have no idea of the teachings of Jesus.

Have you ever read the bible? Be honest now have you ever read the bible. Not just some verse somewhere but the entire bible cover to cover. have you ever studied it? The answer has to be a no.

As for Mormonism it's obvious i know qui te a bit about them and you know zero. Fancy somebody claiming to be Christian applauding a satanic cult. The mind boggles.

Cloudy you have made no case. You don't respond to any facts and end up on the anti Christian camp time and again. 

Best you stick to rugby and not expound on spiritual matters about which you are abysmally ignorant. 

At least with rugby it doesn't matter too much if you lead people astray. 

Bad enough having ou sharktwit expounding on matters as if he were somebody who knew what he was talking about. Hahahahaha 

Bye the way you are not being taken to task because you do good but because you pervert Biblical truth, major truth.

Your big point about Folau on this thread is that the guy is a money grabber and I should tell the board about my donations etc. 

Both things I have answered. In fact if you read my post and watch the clips I posted you would see how much I have answered. 

Your smearing Folau is not nice. 

Anyhow it must surely be your bedtime. So goodnight to you. 

I am watching  the presentation to Federer after winning in Germany on grass. 

You must admit I have been generous with my time trying to help you.