Jake’s World Champion Boks ranked highest among Bok WC teams

Here’s the link:

https://www.florugby.com/articles/6753303-ranking-every-world-cup-champion-from-1987-2019

A bit overly dramatic. Was 2019 one of the most dominant forward displays of all time? It wouldn't crack a top 50. This team is actually inferior to the 1995 side. How many legends are in the 1995 side compared to the 2019 side? It's quite remarkable. The 2007 and 1995 Boks are pretty much man for man better than the 2019 Boks, and they also played much better rugby. The true order:

1. Australia - 1999
2. England - 2003
3. South Africa - 2007
4. South Africa - 1995
5. Australia - 1991
6. New Zealand 1987
7. New Zealand - 2015
8. South Africa - 2019
9. New Zealand - 2011

 Foeitog 

White had to get in Eddie Jones to try and teach players about backline play as it should be played - White knows nothing about that part of the game.   The Springboks in 2007 had an easy run to the final.   They struggled badly against Tonga and nobody present at the game really thought they deserve to win.   However. a narrow win saved them from being embarrassed.   Another struggling game was the quarterfinal against Fiji  also started badly and the Springboks in the end won.   An easy game against Argentina in the semi and in the final against the old age home English team.   The Springboks managed to scire two tries against Argentina - nothing in the final.    The teams I left out was England, Samoa and the USA.  

So lets go through the rankings of the teams before the 2007 WC:-

1   New Zealand

2   Australia

3   France

4    South Africa

So lets go through their rankings of the teams SA played in the WC series ranked above 10:-

7    England

The rest bar Argentina were all below 15

In 2019 the Springboks had to play the no 2,3 and 5 ranked teams as well as the no 10 team. 

Compare those facts between the 2007 series and the 2019 series and it is clear that the 2019 level of performance was way higher than in 2007       

2015 the best team ever, best ABSs team ever in my opinion.

With that side in that form in any other WC we would probably have twice as many titles.

Mozart

Hell - but you are indeed dim beyond belief when it comes to Rugby issues.   The level of the opposing teams involved is way higher in 2019 than it was in 2007.   Even a rugby idiot would understand that.   That obviously indicate that a much higher level of performance existed in 2019 than it was in 2007.

Sorry - the comments above destroyed you whole argument so you came up with the Erasmus - Nienaber myth    So back to the lie that Nienaber was the coach and Erasmus nothing.   Whatever Nienaber knows about Rugby he learned from Erasmus.    That is true - the BS you come up is a lie.        

There isn't a single trace of Eddie in that 2007 side. What elements that were adapted from the 99-03 Brumbies were already there since 2004. If anyone received a lesson, it was Eddie, though post 2007 history shows maybe he learnt nothing. 

Blaas my siel - the idiot does not know what the backline players said about Jones' coaching.   They asidc they learnt things they did not even know existed what Jones told them and they learned quickly - but they still did not manage to score a single try in the 2007 final.          

Eddie Jones said he didn't do very much, and Os said he gave the players a bit of extra confidence in what was already there. Case closed. 

O yes - Os played in the backline and he was an expert in backline play - Stupid based on near top of the list of Idiotic comments eve r.   

O yes - Os played in the backline and he was an expert in backline play - Stupid based on near top of the list Idiotic comments evedr.   

O yes - Os played in the backline and he was an expert in backline play - Stupid based on near top of the list Idiotic comments evedr.   

More of an expert than you, you lying old goat

Had to face NZ and lost to NZ. That should have been it, but by sheer luck they ended up facing Japan, Wales and a completely unfocused England. Their biggest challenge was actually Wales.

In any case the experts you are so happy to quote on Dud Allende rated Jake’s team above the 2019 team, live with it.

The Samoa and Fiji of 2007 played better rugby than any of the 2019 Bok's opposition. That's just a simple fact. And to cap it off, the 2007 English side actually had a power pack. Erasmus has never faced a traditional English side with the power to stand up to the Boks. This is too easy Saffex. Life is simpler if you just stick to the facts. 

Dave you miss the point, the 2019 team lost a match…which normally puts you in a sequence of very tough matches. The Boks ended up playing Japan. Fiji  in 07 was tougher than Japan, Wales may have been tougher than the Bargies, but England were much more focused and dangerous in 2007.

So no, the Harrassmiss side had the easiest knockout stage and they lost the tough pool match….the experts are right to chose 2007 above 2019.

A Welsh side ravaged by injures and a perfect match up in the final who lost their key prop early. You couldn't have had a more fortuitous world cup New Zealand made the Boks look utterly inept in the group game. Who could forget Steph running miles out of the line to take out a player nowhere near the ball! Incredible. 

Dave keeps on mentioning the ABs like it’s a badge of honor. If we had beaten them it might have been, but we were rather easily beaten. Teams that are beaten can’t be considered the best by definition.

As for Fiji, they had a world class backline in 2007. These guys are physical so they can deal with Bok physicality….the tiny Japanese can’t. For 80% of the game we tried to beat them at their own game, finally conceded we couldn’t and set about winning the QF.

The Bargies beat France and Ireland to get to the 2007 knockouts. A French team that took out  NZ in the quarters

As for England. Unlike the 2019 team that got beaten in the pools, we crushed England in 2007 in a brilliant all round performance. So when they played us in the final they were loaded for bear. Contrast that to 2019 when the Poms had already assumed they were champions.

"Brilliant all-=round performance" - we squeezed in a win against the weak no 7 ranked elderly English team that was better in some aspects in the game - that includes tight 5 forward domination by the English amid a BS performance amongst the Springbok backline.  England came much nearer to scoring try than the bumbling Springboks did in that game.   

Amongst the three WC SA won - the worst performance in the final was the 2007 WC after SA's stuttering performance against Tonga of all teams .   I was at the match in Lenz and it was a piss-poor performance against a minnow team - which led against the Springboks at minute 70.   So in your view playing against Fiji in 2007 was playing a stronger team than Japan in 2019.    An incredible amount of horseshit if ever there was a piss-poor interpretation of the game of rugby.   Japan is still a Top 10 ranked team in the world and Fiji was before that quarterfinal in 2007 not in the Top 10 rugby teams in the world. 

It is incredible that idiots cannot even see that beating England and Wales in 2019 were playing better teams on a higher performance level than the 2007 team did.   At least the Springboks played 4 top 10 ranked teams in 2019 while the Springboks played in the whole series n 2007 only the number 7 ranked team in the world.   Unable to score tries in the final of the 2007 WC was typical as well.  Incredible horseshit is the best I can describe the Mozart and the l'Grande Merde spouted.                  

Fiji played better in that game than Japan have ever played against the Boks. They were far more dangerous. We faced the most physically grueling schedule of any other Bok side in that 2007 campaign. Samoa, England, Tonga, Fiji, Argentina. Those were physically brutal tests. 2019? New Zealand, and we lost, looking like the 2002 Boks, falling to 6th place in the process. What next? An injury depleted Welsh side and a pap England team who lost their one hope early in the game. Saffex, you have no credibility. You sound as laboured as Mike. 

Fortunately in the event of a tie we can turn to the experts who ranked the 2007 team higher….case closed.

Mozart

You missed a poinmt totally.    This is not the first time that the comparison between the 2007 WC and the 2019 WC was discussed.   Your main arguments then was that -

*    since the 2007 WC final was played at Twickenham the English team was a much greater threat to the Springboks in the final than they were in the away 2019 when England had to play an away game in Japan; and

*     the pool game in 2007 was against Scotland and the competition was stronger than the weak teams the Springboks played in 2019.

When I pointed out that the final was not at Twickenham but in Stade Francais in Paris and that Scotland never played the Springboks in the 2007 WC since they were not in the same pool - you admitted that you were wrong and the issue went quiet.   Now your arguments are on the same level again - in other words extreme and total BS.

You have no case to close since you know you are talking shir.  

No my main argument then and now is the English we’re totally focused in 2007 because of their pool loss and in 2019 they were still basking in the glow of their win over the ABs. An argument the article clearly agrees with, but I doubt you have even bothered to read the article.

In any case expert opinion ranks our 2007 win more highly, case closed according to your own rules.

There is evidence that only 1 player if a team is theoretically selected from the three WC finals in which the Springboks played and won and that is perhaps Matfield.   Not any of the other players will be in such a team because they were very average playing poor opposition teams.   The English team was poor compared to the English team playing in the 2019 final and that is a fact as well.   

In the 2007 team the Springboks won because the English team gave away too many penalties when they were not under pressure and that cost them the match.   The Springbok loosies were substandard and Steyn was a defensive sieve - while too many ball handling mistakes were made.   The Springboks once made an effort to score a try - but the ball did not go to the backline - but was kept amongst the forwards who caused a possession turnover and that is where the effort ended.     That is a real description what happened in a match not worthy called a WC final because all-round performances by both finalist teams were substandard.   

The same cannot be said of the 2019 final where the Springboks showed class and the Du Toit and De Allende defense caused total malfunctioning of the English backline.   In the 2019 WC the Springboks scored 2 tries - a fact which did not happen in both 1995 and 2007.    The 2007 Springboks beat the English by 9 points in the 2019 final the Boks beat the English by 20 points 

Your BS does not count in this case.                  

What was the Boks win ratio for 2007 with Jake, compared with win Ratio of 2019 Boks with Rassie?? 

Dave 

Just one other thing - agaisnt the AB.s in the WC in 2019 - you identified the problem of Mapimpi going out of line and allowing the AB's to score,    What you did not mention is the second try scored by the AB's.    Barrett the lock ran straight through a tackle attempt of Mostert and that caused Mostert to be demoted to play against the minions and from the bench in the remainder of the WC in crucial matches.    Mostert is always and was always a very poor defender in open field play and in traffic he always needed assistance to bring people down in tackles.               

Those were the wrong experts Dave….Dud has single handedly destroyed Springbok back play. As for your comment Clever….read the damn article before commenting. They are not picking players they are trying to rank the WC winning teams.

That is the belief of BSters knowing nothing about rugby.    If Springbok backline play was destroyed how come the Springbok backline scored more tries since 2 000 than any other coach manage to achieve.   The main problem in the past the dead backline syndrome of the Springboks.   It started changing drastically in 2018 and nobody can accuse the Springboks now of playing a dead backline game.   So try again and please try again to find evidence to conform your prejudicial fake stories.          

That’s also bs….just another claim you throw out there, like yesterday’s claim that Harrassmiss started at a much lower ranking than White. A lie you have yet to acknowledge.

We have no structured backline play at the moment….just counter attack on turnover ball. Harrassmiss probably knows less about backline play than any other recent Bok coach.

But this is an interesting article ranking WC winners stop hijacking it for your tedious nonsense.

Mike, Mike, Mike... you perform tries firstly with a comparison to trends in rugby. The Boks are anaemic attackers under Erasmus. Secondly, we assess try source, field position, phases structure and individual contributions all in the context of defensive activity. One thing that is interesting is that the Boks faced opposition who were at a very low ebb. Argentina were in low gear aside from a couple of games, that one is usually a reffing bloodbath for them against the Boks post-Covid. Australia and New Zealand are both the worst they have ever been. England are in a state of flux. The other two games, France and Ireland, they lost having played poorly. So this year is hardly a step in the right direction. We couldn't dominate in the easiest season we have ever had in the professional era, maybe even ever. Never before have New Zealand and Australia struggled like this simultaneously. Erasmus has bewitched SA rugby like a Rasputin, accepting mediocrity and low standards is now the norm. No outcry. To think, Meyer's 2 losses in 20 tests and two consecutive clean sweeps of the North weren't good enough.