Jake’s World Champion Boks ranked highest among Bok WC teams

L'Merde Grande

What the hell were they under any coach between 2000 and 2018?  If under Erasmus they were anaemic - they were plain shit in the said period.    Narrow wins by France and Ireland is not the norm at all - the French got a try no ref should allow and the referee panicked and awarded a try.    The Irish was benefitting from one of the poorest refereeing I have seen for many years.

After near to total d estruction of SA Rugby from the end of 2014 by Meyer and by Coetzee in 2016 and 2017 - with the lowest ranking ever since 2000  -  SA rugby were self-destructing and it took a genius to get over that in 13 months time to win the RC and WC in 2019.   At the start of Erasmus's take-over the Springboks were a joke.   So the low standards won those two comps?   That is a long string of BS you come up here.   Happy TotaI Idiots Day to you.       

Woosh….above your pay grade!

So Erasmus was a saviour for achieving an inferior record than that which got his predecessor the sack and achieving the worst ever Bok ranking of 7th? Interesting. Inspite of facing the weakest era for opposition, Erasmus is still mediocre and cannot rise above it all. Minus the double ranking points of the WC (something that should never be), the Boks would have dropped in rank quicker and much lower in 2021 and 2022. 

l'Grande Merde

Your ideas are total shit and if my auntie had balls she would have been my uncle.    The Springboks did not drop in the rankings in 2021 and 2022 and so "if" did not happen. in those years?   When talking shit seems to be the way you operate.

You have no idea about the game of rugby at all - so what you write on site is really irrelevant and total BS.     

Mozart

What you write on site is below your pay grade.   Nothing logical at all of substance.    For you games against Samoa, Scotland and Italy is equal in level of rugby played and p[erformances  to playing the AB's, the Aussies and the top teams in Europe.   If that is not BS - won wonders what really is?       

Sadly I have to school you again….we never played Scotland in the WC in 2007 or in 2019. Take a deep breath and think before you post.

We haven't played Italy in a world cup until 2019! Saffex and Mike get a lot of basic facts wrong. Very careless. At least I hope that's all it is. Especially when it actually goes against their own arguments:

For you games against Samoa, Scotland and Italy is equal in level of rugby played and p[erformances  to playing the AB's, the Aussies and the top teams in Europe. 

Mozart

You claimed that we played Scotland in 2007 - which was BS.    I told you thy were not Playing SA in that year,   

Another piece of BS was your reference to "wrong experts".   The coach of the year, the Team of the Year and the Player of the year is done by a World Rugby Committee comprising previous Rugby captains of Top Level Captains.    The "experts" you regard as right are newspaper journalists - so the latter knows more about rugby performances than real experts with extensive international playing captains.

The Scotland issue came into the 2007 WC by you - not me.   The referernce to  Scotland made by me refer to the BS story of l'Grande Merde about backline play and that refer in particular  to the June tests in 2013 - on which you and the record BSter made much in praise of Meyer.   He like you also  Japan as an opponent in 2019   

l'Grande Merde

Now this is a real classic:-

Fiji played better in that game than Japan have ever played against the Boks.

Remember the pool match in 2015 - where Japan beat the Springboks.    The "ever" was obviously also referring to the 2015 WC,     Auch - huge BS spreading mistake.      

real bs spreading

You told me they were not playing Scotland…and then on this string about the 2007 and 2019 teams you say “ For you games against Samoa, Scotland and Italy is equal in level of rugby played and p[erformances  to playing the AB's”?

For you short term memory now apparently doesn’t survive a string.

Mozart

I was dealing with the shit spread by l'Grande Merde about playing weaker teams and the games they played against the three teams mentioned - the only series in which the three teams played the three teams mentioned by me were in June 2013.  You and the Shithouse were raving about how good the backline attack was under Meyer - while they played three of the tests against weak teams.   I never mentioned the three teams ever before in this discussion - the only fool who did previously mentioned Scotland was you and I corrected that idiocy.

I also refer to Japan beating the Springboks in 2015 when you and him were shouting and screaming how  good Fiji was compared to Japan - which were also rank BS.   Japan has been ranked way above Fiji for many years and that include 2007 as well.   Japan was according to you two BSters way weaker than Fiji - despite the fact they beat Ireland - the number 1 ranked team at the start of the 2019 WC series - and Scotland  leading to them to be the winners of the pool they played in.    How stupid can you two morons get?

Better admit that the two of you were speaking shit and depart from this BS spreading and vanish from this thread.    

Remember the pool match in 2015 - where Japan beat the Springboks.    The "ever" was obviously also referring to the 2015 WC,     Auch - huge BS spreading mistake.      

Well there is this:

Wales were dealt another devastating injury blow on Thursday when their Lions full-back Liam Williams was ruled out of Sunday’s Rugby World Cup semi-final clash with South Africa after sustaining an ankle injury in training. 

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Having lost No.8 Josh Navidi to a hamstring injury earlier in the week, the withdrawal of the vastly experienced Williams for the rest of the tournament is terrible news.

Nope that was during the WC. Anscombe and Faletau were also ruled out shortly before the tournament. It was like losing Vermeulen, Pollard, Louw and Willie….definitely a handicapped Welsh team we beat only because Louw came on and won a crucial penalty.

Nope Anscombe had been their regular 10 leading up to the WC:

Wales have been dealt a second World Cup injury blow with the fly-half Gareth Anscombe being ruled out of the tournament.

The Ospreys No 10, an integral part of Wales’s Six Nations grand slam-winning campaign last season, sustained a knee injury during the World Cup warmup defeat against England at Twickenham on Sunday.

He follows the Bath No 8 Taulupe Faletau, who sustained a broken collarbone during Wales training, in missing the competition.

“Gareth Anscombe is out of Rugby World Cup contention after sustaining an anterior cruciate ligament injury in the match against England yesterday,” read a statement from the Welsh Rugby Union. “His prognosis and management will be determined following further specialist reviews. The Wales squad and management would like to wish Gareth the very best with his recovery.”

Anscombe, 28, was helped from the field just before half-time as Wales went lost 33-19. He has won 27 caps, but now misses out on the chance to represent Wales in Japan.

Dan Biggar is the obvious candidate to reclaim the Wales No 10 shirt – he has won more than 70 caps and scored almost 350 Test points – with Rhys Patchell and Jarrod Evans also options.

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Note the word ‘reclaim’…..as things transpired Biggar’s attempt to strip Dud Allende and subsequent try, put us in a position to win the semi with Louw’s timely turnover penalty

Anscombe was never there regular flyhalf before the WC and since.   For years Biggar was their flyhalf and to say he was not a top class flyhalf for Wales is horseshit.    He always was a better kicker at goal than Anscombe - who actually played rugby in New Zealand and went to Wales because his mother was borne in Cardiff.

He relocated from playing in New Zealand in 2014 - where he mostly played at full back and relocated to Wales in 2014.     His international career started in 2015 and although he did play for Wales mostly at flyhalf - some of his games were at full back. 

The following extract about Dan Biggar from 2019 RWC is pertinent:-

"Biggar was selected as part of the Wales squad for 2019 Rugby World Cup.  Biggar entered the tournament as first choice fly-half and played a pivotal role as Wales reached the semi-finals. In the second pool game against Australia, Biggar kicked the fastest drop-goal in Rugby World Cup history with the referee signalling the score after 36 seconds.[11] Biggar missed the final Pool game against Uruguay due to a second head injury of the tournament but returned for the quarter final against France. In this game, Biggar kicked a 75th minute conversion and the final score of the game to help Wales progress with a tight 20-19 win.[12] Biggar would play the final two games of the tournament; the semi-final defeat to South Africa and Bronze Final defeat against New Zealand."

Wales did exceptionally well for Wales in that series and was a prime contributor to the Wales effort to reach the semi-finals in that series - so the claim that Anscombe was badly missed in the series was BS.    Faletau was a bigger loss than Anscombe for Wales - but the Welsh team it still reached the semi0finals in that series despite the absence of the two players mentioned by the idiots blaming their absence forom the series,    

So Mozart's newspaper story is as per normal BS,    Biggar played 102 tests for Wales and his 50th game for Wales was played in  November 2016,   Since 2017 Biggar played in 52 matches in total for Wales as against Anscombe's 36 tests in total since 2015.  How come Biggar played in all 2019 WC matches bar the Urugay as starting flyhalf?         

 Mozart's comments about the De Allende's try is BS as well.  De Allende broke through 3 tackles in that try-scoring opportunity and the try cannot even in the remotest be blamed on Biggar only.    Rather than crediting De Allende for a top class effort Mozart did his normal in undermining De Allende as a player based on his standard BS basis.         

Wales had six injuries in this world cup, and their backline coach had to miss the tournament as well. So coaching reshuffle right on the eve of the World Cup. Also, Anscombe wasn't the first choice 10, yet he started all but one 6 Nations game that season? Biggar was never the first choice in 2019, and only through injuries did he receive any game time. In fact, Jarrod Evans and Rhys Patchell (injured on eve of WC) were both ahead of Biggar, making him 4th choice at 10. Imagine if one said that Koen was our first choice 10 in the 2003 RWC game against England? This is exactly the same scenario. Once again, check your sources before you cream your pants!

Biggar was also the preferred 10 for the British and Irish Lions two years later...Gareth is good, but Dan is way better.

Biggar was also the preferred 10

Well, Gatland knows a bit better than what he's getting credit for.

He does, so let's tell it the way it was. 

2019 WC. 0 Physical challenges. 

I just watched a replay on TV of the 2019 RWC final and the comments at the end of the match was 100% was from the commentator.ws 100% accurate - the best performance ever of the Springboks - 100% correct and the guy obviously knows more about rugby than Mozart and l'Grande Merde and Mozart combined.   

Then there is another classic - in the main rugby discussion TV program in New Zealand the top experts agreed that New Zealand had no chance to beat SA if the Springboks played like they did in the final.   I would rather believe Tony Browne' comments on the final than I believe the BS spread by the two most ignorant BSters on site .               

England have not been a physical threat for over a decade. New Zealand were not the traditional threat that they have been. Wales were depleted, and it was more a case of us struggling to find the quality to punish them than it was a hard physical test. Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, England x2, Argentina. Those are significantly more physical confrontations. Not only could they impose a physical threat, they could also hurt us on the scoreboard. 

I just watched a replay on TV of the 2019 RWC final and the comments at the end of the match was 100% was from the commentator.ws 100% accurate - the best performance ever of the Springboks - 100% correct and the guy obviously knows more about rugby than Mozart and l'Grande Merde and Mozart combined. 

Best ever performance by the Springboks? Better than our win over New Zealand in 2004? Or the the 2008 five-try mauling of England? Or the away win over New Zealand in 2009 to seal the Tri Nations? How about the 2014 victory over New Zealand to end their 22 match unbeaten run? You see? Or the 1995 final, against a far more dangerous and competent opponent? Or the 61 point eight try win over Australia in 1997? You always follow the emotional types. No true fan would ever say that 2019 final was the best ever Springbok performance. It doesn't even compare to the 2018 performance, which was a comprehensively more dominant performance than 2019. Emotional types don't think very deeply, they just react very irrationally and loudly. 

"You refer to some individual matches and not to a series like the WC."

You said the final against England was the greatest performance by a Springbok team of all time...

"I just watched a replay on TV of the 2019 RWC final and the comments at the end of the match was 100% was from the commentator.ws 100% accurate - the best performance ever of the Springboks"

If we speak of the games that were played en route to the final, it was the easiest of any Springbok campaign by a comfortable margin. This team was about as good as the 2003 Boks, with just a little more ability on the wing and Willie (though he was heavily negated by the gameplan of Erasmus). But, you did not say this, you said the final was the best performance by a Springbok team of all time. I clearly referenced games where the Boks faced much stronger opposition and overcame the challenge with greater performance. I can, however, see that you are struggling mightily to stay on point and form a coherent argument, as you misunderstood what you yourself were saying, and then you blamed Matfield for coaching the Boks after the second-worst Bok coach of all time, Carel du Plessis. You are making a bit of a mess of this Mr Clever. I suggest you stop digging. 

Card, hou op kak praat. Carel didn't get a proper chance and his team went on to break records...

As for 2019...We were unlucky  to lose to NZ, we beat 6N Grandslam winners:"Wales successfully sealed their first Six Nations Grand Slam since 2012 after beating defending champions Ireland in front of a raucous home crowd at a wet Principality Stadium."

We demolished Japan, who beat 6N runners up Ireland, and Scotty....and we wiped the floor with the Poms...who demolished the Allblacks...best Bok RWC performance ever.

How many more chances does a coach who had 37% need before they prove themselves? He had a win against Australia, and a massive tactical blunder through the Lions series. No, he was a failure. There is no evidence that he was a success. 

As per Wales of 2019? We beat them, only through Louw's heroics, in what was dubbed the worst spectacle in world cup history. A depleted team who had to reshuffle its coaching team on the eve of the world cup. A loss to a New Zealand side whose powers were waning. They held us comfortably at arms length in a loss that sent us to 6th place in the rankings. Ireland were a no show at the World Cup. No Irishman would claim they were a force, but they themselves were struggling to find form at the right time. Japan? They made us work, but they were no physical threat. Lets put it this way, over 70% of the Bok's production for the entire tournament came against Canada. Let that sink in. And yet, the supposed big names were nowhere to be found on the stats sheet. This was the easiest run any world cup winner has ever had. 

The final cherry on the cake is this: The players most maligned were the very reason why the Boks made it in the end. Beast, Louw, Thor, Mostert, Frans. They all made critical contributions. None of them received the plaudits. Where was Beast's MOM award in the final? Where was the recognition for Louw's heroics in that awful, awful performance by the team? The 2019 campaign is one that would shut the likes of Saffex and Mike down, had they any sense. It comprehensively underscored every problem, and made a mockery of the critics of the small core group of worthy Boks. 

BS bubbles all out in the case of L'Grande Merde - the name I have given you.   You know what it means - it is the Greatest Shit on earth.  So live with it.  By the way the real reason the Springboks won the Wales match was the BRILLIANT TRY DE ALLENDE SCORED  - WHICH WAS CONVERTED.   

Louw, Mostert and Steyn were fringe players used from the bench and never played in key matches starting.   Mostert used to start - but he was a major reason for losing the AB Match and    he was on the whole useless in the time he came from the bench.   So bench players won the WC trophy - have you ever come up with anything showing rugby knowledge?    

Brilliant try? Walking into open space? I suppose it is quite brilliant, as that's a lot for him to process. Louw, Mostert, Beast, Thor, Frans saved the campaign. Without them, the Boks don't get past Wales. Maybe don't even get past Japan. Heck, even Canada had bursts where they really showed up our defence. So, these "fringe" players were the fine line that saved one of the worst Bok coaches of all time. 

Shaking off three defenders in the process - what an open space?   Three bench players saved what?   This is the funniest BS I ever heard on any site. And by how much did Canada loose?   The best Coach we had for the past 23 years is now the worst one according to you?   That is funny too.   Thanks for the laughs - but in the end idiocy is not good laughing stock - it is rather tragic and you are a sorry misfit and deserve syppathy,   

Mostert failed to tackle a back at pace from behind in the AB match after Dud had ushered him by…..and it resulted in a try, That’s Clever’s argument,

And far from playing from the bench’ all the time’ he was on early in the WC final and a huge part of the goal line stand.

You deserve ‘syppathy’ too Clever… lots of ‘syppathy’