Jake White you twit

But you yourself said we can win with a, b, c and d team at international level. A bit of an own goal there boy'o. If only one could delete a thread. 

Dave

When I saw the team and Morne Steyn as captain  I know it could only be an embarrassing loss White was aiming at.    White must be careful - the Bulls are effectively owned by Rupert and Monsepe and he may end up without a job, since tyhey don't want to see their team disgraced.        

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. 

How has he conceded the tournament or embarrassed South Africa.

How has he exactly?

You don't need too win all your pool games to progress with this format of the Champions Cup. Connacht for example progressed to the last 16 last season and only won 1 game. Bulls are welling capable of progressing to the last 16.

And you can't argue he's throwing away the chance of getting more home games in the knocks stage either. Apparently as part of the participation agreement the South Africa teams will be playing the knock out stages all away from home with the exception of the first game of the last 16 which is a two leg home and away affair.

As for embarrassing SA, did Gloucester embarrass England when they sent over the B team to get spanked by Lenister? Did Mountpellier do it last season when they did the same and shipped 82 points before going on to win the Top 14? There is plenty of other examples/

I think White actually understands that with the current format its not too difficulty to make it out of Group in the Champions Cup. Also he was properly wise enough to realize the B team could get a result against Lyon at home because the French are poor travelers.

The man is stupid enough to prioritise the inferior URC competition, playing his strongest side in that competition.

Happens in all the leagues. Have seen it countless times with French and English teams last few years. The prioritize their own league. You could argue those leagues are inferior as well. URC is a pretty strong league now with the addition of the SA teams so if some English and French want to prioritize their leagues over Champions Cup why not URC teams? Also lol at Ospreys beatings Montpellier away from home!

I just saw how Munster destroyed a very strong Northampton team and our SA teams can deal with Munster very easily. Actually, we can beat all of the teams in the URC, so I just wonder how strong the European teams really are. 

I agree, it was a massive embarrassment seeing the bulls lose like that. I thought that the guys would at least put up a decent fight. 

But Jake is playing an angle here. He wants the boks to stop selecting overseas boks which would force these guys to come home on a significant less wage. He even through Malcolm Marx name in there. 

But he had a 38 year Bismark and 23 year old prop converted to a hooker in that key position. 

Although, there is simply too much travelling and too many comps to play in. 

I really don't know why we are playing Derby matches or home and away against our own teams. They simply serve no purpose other than getting bums on seats. Less is more. 

I would just give the SA teams a break over Christmas and let them have 4 weeks off. The "Derby" matches could be played when the 6 nations are on and even bring in the likes of the Cheathas. It is also a more favourable time of year to play rather than sitting in ball soup. Time to go to the beach and unwind 

You mean that Munster team that beat South Africa A and the Bull earlier this season as well as beat the Sharks and Stormers last season?

It is early days. South Africa started very badly in URC, only to improve in the 2nd season onwards.

The SA teams always start slow, but sharkbok is right. When our teams are at full strength I do believe that we can beat all teams in the URC. 

I still would not underrate Munster or Leinster.

I suppose what Saffex is saying is true, that they wrap their best players (e.g. Sexton) in cotton wool for the Championship and bring out their A-teams. 

URC is important for them, but not as much as the Championship. 
Also playing in SA on hard fast pitches will be a new experience for many of their teams, except for experienced test players. 

Thanks for mentioning the Munster match, Kingcorn 

Plum, let Colonel Custe r be. He is about to prolapse at this rate! 

Jake plays less than his best team and that’s a disaster….Harrassmiss chooses not to play at all in 2020, when all other nations did, and that’s okay.

Jake and Rassie suffer from the same ailment, they think to much about themselves and that causes stupid decisions that lead to failure and embarrassment.....these two are not the answer for Bok Rugby, let alone our Domestic teams ......just a very dumb thing to do not to play your A side in the Champions Cup and the same thing Rassie did throwing a young untested side to Wales and we lost.....Go figure 

Jake is the only internationally successful Bok coach at every single job he has. The two could not be farther apart. To date, there is no tangible evidence of Erasmus having performed any kind of coaching on any team, only Nienaber. 

Well, Saffex is a broken record. 

Well, your boy Erasmus himself said Nienaber is the man. Couldn't gush enough over his "unrivalled expertise" on defensive systems and coaching them. 

The man is stupid enough to prioritise the inferior URC competition, playing his strongest side in that competition.

Rugby credibility lies in doing well in the Champions Cup and not the URC so it’s bloody obvious he should have played his A side in the Champions Cup and his B side in the URC

There is no such requirements on SA rugby: they were included regardless of what they bring to the rugby scene. The same will go for the 6Ns. It is about providing funds as a life line to try to avoid the unavoidable.

So no result requirements, no credibility.

As to the champions cups (or the other), they are too short and too long of a competition.

They are too long, not allowing rugby sides to play fully all games (major differences with the 6Ns in the regard)

Much computation going on, teams pick games.

And too short for that behaviour to be threatening. It does not matter in the long run, the group stage will be over before the behaviour bad consequences trigger.

Already stated, it will take careful watch to declare a SA rugby side able to play good rugby (as it was claimed on this board) as the opposition may throw the game, not play it fully.

Eventually, teams will try to qualify to the next round and once achieved, or to achieve it, will throw games.

I'd put money on the Bulls at least getting to quarters of the Champions Cup.

There is no record of Bok rugby with Erasmus, only Nienaber with this overbearing clown dancing behind him. 

l'Grande Merde talking shit again - thinks the shit on brain  disease is hitting  him hard.

Dave 

I have a question for you.   I have observed that hit has a record of wherever he coach -

*    He is good in his frst year as coach; and

*    Goes bad in the second year he is at every team he coached.   

It happened in the case of the Springboks in 2004 and 2005 - the Brumbies in 2012 and 2013 and Montpellier in 2015 and 2016 and it was bound to happen in the case of the Sharks if he was not fired at the end of 2014.   I don't know why - but it may have to do with relationship problems with the players.   

Erasmus: Bad in first, second, third, fourth years...

White: Excellent in all four years. Leaves behind strong culture and structures that benefit every team for many, many years to come. 

Harrassmiss is a flim flam man…..Jake is a real coach, who took Bok rugby from the depths in 2003 into a strong period which lasted all the way through WC 2015.

Listen dimness I asked Dave a question - not from idiots supreme.  I wanted a sensible response - not shit spreading from arseholes.   

Just a reasonable response to Mozart's normal type of comment.   Looking at the rankings of test teams for .2003 was higher than the 7 ranking in 2 successive years Erasmus  inherited from Coetzee.    So Bok Rugby was in a much worse state in 2017 than it was in 2003.   In that respect it is clear that even there Erasmus was a better coach than White.   By the way that period ended in 2009 after total collapse became the norm and no SA team won any trophies in that period. 

Have fun and happy living on Cloud 9.         

Nonsense these are the rankings when Jake took over:

1. England 89.95 2. New Zealand 89.80 3. Ireland 83.92 4. Australia 83.81 5. France 82.85 6. South Africa 80.92 7. Argentina 80.00 8. Samoa 74.67 9. Scotland 74.42 10. Wales 74.24

And these are the rankings when Harrassmiss took over:

1. England 89.95 2. New Zealand 89.80 3. Ireland 83.92 4. Australia 83.81 5. France 82.85 6. South Africa 80.92 7. Argentina 80.00 8. Samoa 74.67 9. Scotland 74.42 10. Wales 74.24

……Exactly the same ranking. As usual you just took a chance..no facts, no research….just a lie.