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Jane/ Piutau/ Dagg playing for one spot

Started by Brycy13 REPLIES322 VIEWS· 16 Jul 2015, 09:36
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
16 Jul 2015, 09:36
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16 Jul 2015, 09:36#1

AB outside back dilemma....Ben Smith , Julian Savea , and you'd think Waisake Naholo have already secured their places in the 2015 AB RWC squad...


 ...leaving Jane / Piutau and Dagg  playing for their RWC inclusion this weekend..


Nehe Milner Skudder is overcoming an injury and also in the OB mix but not playing this weekend..


Moala also in action this weekend playing for the Barbarians against the NZ Maori ( as is Jane)..


Hard life for an All Black coach though  with such quality players to chose from and awesome to have such great depth in the event of injury...but only so many players can go to the RWC so ultimately the axe will fall..

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WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Jul 2015, 12:38
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16 Jul 2015, 12:38#2
 Well maybe a bit of a working holiday for some of the lads ,do the y have whitebait in England ?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Jul 2015, 19:19
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16 Jul 2015, 19:19#3
 Brycy its a pity those three were all not competing for zero spots. It would mean the wee abs have better players?
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
18 Jul 2015, 03:36
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18 Jul 2015, 03:36#4
... Looks like another OB opening is now available after Naholo broke his leg on debut in last night's games against Argentina - effectively ruling him out of the RWC.. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jul 2015, 07:03
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18 Jul 2015, 07:03#5
A really tough break (no pun intended). He showed great potential. I am glad we have such depth at that position, if it was hooker that would be far worse. I am sure we haven't seen the last of him.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
18 Jul 2015, 10:49
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18 Jul 2015, 10:49#6
 ...Jane limping off in the Baa Baas game after spraining his ankle...having a bad run of luck with injuries this year..
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WardadPro6,663 posts
19 Jul 2015, 11:40
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19 Jul 2015, 11:40#7
 Oh  well plenty more where he came from ,bit harsh I suppose cose Janes still a great playerbut it makes life a bit easier for the coach.
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
19 Jul 2015, 12:09
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19 Jul 2015, 12:09#8
 Break has Israel near the promised land 5:00 AM Sunday Jul 19, 2015

The congestion building in the All Black back three didn't ease any on Friday night but did yesterday morning when it was confirmed Waisake Naholo had broken his leg.

What was looming as the hardest selection decision of all arguably became a little easier as a result of Naholo being ruled out for three months.


So instead of flying to South Africa with the rest of the squad, Naholo was heading home to rehabilitate and reflect on what might have been.


His first 30 minutes were hugely encouraging — there was enough there to believe he was comfortable enough at test level to merit another crack and that he would be tough to leave out of the final 31.


"Very exciting," was coach Steve Hansen's summation. "By his own admission, he'd probably be disappointed by some of his errors. He's a young guy and coming into our environment is pretty daunting. But to train the way he did, prepare well and up until he hurt his ankle, he was great.


He can do things other people can't and that's quite exciting."


As unfortunate as it is for Naholo, his injury has cleared the picture, that was, in the immediate wake of the Pumas test, looking more convoluted.


Not only did Naholo play well, Israel Dagg was also impressive. Charles Piutau made ground with a high work rate and a well-taken try, while just one curious, ill-considered cross kick was the only blight on his night.


Even with Naholo out, it will still be fascinating to see how the selectors end up picking between Dagg, Piutau, Julian Savea, Corey Jane, Ben Smith and Nehe Milner-Skudder. There is, best guess, room for four when the squad is cut from 41 to 31 at the end of August.


Smith and Savea, as long as they avoid injury, are banked. Those two are a cut above: they offer too much to come properly into the debate about who goes and who stays.


Waisake Naholo. Photo / Getty Images


Dagg, arguably, now has the indicator on and is poised to shift into the outside lane and motor into the final 31. The selectors have been adamant since they picked Dagg that all he's lacking is game time.


They have held their line that once match-conditioned after barely playing in the past three months, Dagg will prove himself. It's now hard to argue against that thinking.

Dagg wasn't 80 minutes of magic but was better than his Apia outing. The bit that really mattered was his pace and willingness to back himself.


At his best, Dagg pulls defenders into places they don't want to go and creates space for those around him. He's a coaster rather than a blaster and is at his most dangerous when he accelerates from half to full pace.


It looked like he's getting close to recovering that top-end speed and one more outing, on the hard ground of Ellis Park, may be enough for him to satisfy everyone he's playing as well as he needs to be.


"He looked fast, I thought," said All Blacks backs coach Ian Foster. "He's like a lot of outside backs that once they get their legs back, they start to back their acceleration and speed, and that brings confidence to them.


"When you haven't played a lot of rugby, that's one thing that takes time to come back. He could still kick better and there are still parts of his game that he'll get better at. But I think it was his speed and confidence to take people on that stood out."

There was also the mental fortitude he showed to channel the anxiety he was inevitably feeling as a result of his lack of form and the widespread criticism that followed his performance in Apia.


Hansen revealed during the week that some players were struggling to deal with the pressure of the impending selection cull. His message was to refocus and remember that they couldn't control selection, only performance, and if they delivered on that front, the rest would take care of itself.


It was a message Dagg obviously took on board. "I try not to read into what you fellas write about me," he said in reaction to whether he was one of the players who was stressing.


"I try to stay calm and clear and I know I have just got to trust my abilities and trust what I can do. I have got to try to stay positive and for me, it was just about having that belief I can do it and that I can play rugby. I've been doing it for years."


If Dagg provides more evidence in Johannesburg that he's ready, then it may come down to a straight choice between Piutau and Jane. And that one could go to the wire.

Piutau was solid and industrious. He took his try well and covered a huge amount of ground. He's in the running but will feel better about his prospects if he can, between now and August 30, deliver one more, impossible-to-ignore performance.


Because he knows Jane is a World Cup veteran with proven experience and a magical skill-set. And just like Dagg, all Jane is lacking is game time.


- Herald on Sunday

Read more by Gregor Paul


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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
19 Jul 2015, 12:15
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19 Jul 2015, 12:15#9
very bad luck for Cory Jane,.... very unlucky
but if cannot come from injury in time to play some minutes in this RC or the Bledisloe, he will very probably miss the World Cup
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WardadPro6,663 posts
19 Jul 2015, 12:37
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19 Jul 2015, 12:37#10
 Hey BP! true about Jane ,I remember being a few metres away from him at Suncorp and marvelling at his being able to take the high ball under lights with a herd of wallies bearing down on him nd not miss a beat !
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jul 2015, 12:47
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19 Jul 2015, 12:47#11
 Carol jane is a bit soft for rugby so best forget about him kbbs. Surely you have better wings than that!
Daggsie is trying but has lost the zip he used to have. Try somebody else? Wee Ben Smith is another powder puff player.  Conrad Smith is too slow and slowing down by the day. etc etc. Sunny bill is a trotter and other than the offlaod doesnt offer much.
However the biggest need is for the wee abs to find some forwards. You will be facing a depleted Bok pack at Ellis park so  dont be too nervous wee abs. But fear the M ighty Boks at full strength!
Beeno giving the kbbs some assistance in the spirit of the game!
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WardadPro6,663 posts
19 Jul 2015, 12:50
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19 Jul 2015, 12:50#12
 Why would you worry about wingers ? You all ignore them anyway !
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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
20 Jul 2015, 07:57
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20 Jul 2015, 07:57#13
I thought Israel Dagg was very good on Friday night. Whats your likely back 3 this weekend?  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Jul 2015, 09:13
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20 Jul 2015, 09:13#14
I would start Dagg (his big boot will be needed against SA for field possession), Ben Smith and Savea with Piutau on the bench. 
However, Hansen may start Charles Piutau as Dagg has had two games as a starter. We may see Milner-Skudder on the bench if he is fit. Hansen is not afraid to blood players.
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