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Jean de Viillierrs' Recovery from Injury

Started by clevermike13 REPLIES281 VIEWS· 23 Apr 2015, 21:39
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Apr 2015, 21:39
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23 Apr 2015, 21:39#1

A three half-hour video's has been compiled and the first was shown on TV tonight.  A number of issues were raised in respect of whether he would in fact recover to play in the WC and I would deal with it later.


The programme aired tonight dealt with Jean's history in rugby and the injuries he sustained by him prior to his latest one.   That was followed by the injury in the Wales test which was  covered extensively.   The fact that De Allende went to him when he was carried off the field on a stretcher and even in pain Jean patted him and obviously encouraged  him - showed a lot of the relationship between the two players and the abiding interest of De Villiers in the success of his team.


That was followed by an explanation of the specialist about what went wrong and what had to be done to correct the problem with his knee.  It was from that discussion clear how serious the injury in fact was and what had to be done to ensure that the damage done was properly repaired.


There were also a discussion with the physio of the team and she indicated how the post-operation of the injury is being treated.   It was clear that even her physical massaging of the knee initially was very painful - but it got better with time.


The three issues I referred to initially are -


*   the medical aspect - will he be physically able to play;

*   the psychological issue; and

*   the extent to which De Villiers apply himself in training.


There stills seems to be some hesitation about whether Jean would recover to the extent that he would be able to play rugby on the highest level.   The signs are positivie, but it was repeated by his specialist, by the physiotherapist and by jean's father that the issue is as much a recovery from injury only -another major consideration is psychological - it rests to a large extent on Jean's own determination whether he would play in future or not.


What is clear is that Jean is absolutely determined to go all the way to ensure that he recovers and that he will be in the world cup and play a role in winning the cup.  At this stage he is doing a lot of gym work and is gradually putting more strain on the knee.   He is using cycling to strengthen the knee ligaments and his legs in particular.  He is apparently 100% determined to get back on the field of play and participating in the WC tournament.


it would be interesting to see what comes up in the remaining two instalments on the recovery issue.   There will most likely be some clearer indications of the way ahead.                        

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Apr 2015, 10:42
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24 Apr 2015, 10:42#2

If Jean was young then it would be good to see him come back....but reality is he is past it......did nothing of note last season and will be that much poorer after that kind of injury.


Great player in his day, best 12 we have had since readmission but we don't need him anymore.


 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Apr 2015, 12:04
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24 Apr 2015, 12:04#3
 Agreed Saf, there just isn't enough time to recover and we seem to be OK at 12. It would be nice to see him earn some pension at a good club before hanging up his boots. So all the best  to him and I hope he makes a full recovery.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Apr 2015, 14:06
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24 Apr 2015, 14:06#4
 He will have had a great rest and be raring to go. If he recovers fully he could make it. The prooof will be what he does on the field. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Apr 2015, 15:48
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24 Apr 2015, 15:48#5
 I think his selection depends not on his long lay-off - but the urgency of Meyer to have him back as the captain of the Springboks.   Meyer does not really care about performance - the players being acquainted to him and their reputation are virtually all that counts insofar as he is concerned.
The problem is when Jean Comes back - where should he play.   De Allende is at present a far better 12 than Jean was last year.    So do they play him at 12 and move Jean to 13 or vice versa?   I think Jean prefer De Allende to play inside of him.      
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2015, 16:06
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24 Apr 2015, 16:06#6
Meyer doesn't care about performance...that's one.  
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
24 Apr 2015, 16:48
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24 Apr 2015, 16:48#7
I hope he doesn't force himself to come back though and potentially permanently injure himself
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Apr 2015, 17:01
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24 Apr 2015, 17:01#8
We don't need him, we have far better youngsters and many good centres to choose from......he would be another liability in the side much like Matfield is  
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Apr 2015, 17:50
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24 Apr 2015, 17:50#9
 Moz, I'm not one of the Meyer haters, nor one of the youth brigade, but IMO Meyer has been far too conservative. Some older players have been given way too much game time off the bench when we could have tested young guns. The only bold move from him was playing Pollard, but his hand was forced by Morné's poor form and Lambies lacklustre performances. He could have done more to blood youngsters in needed positions. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2015, 18:38
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24 Apr 2015, 18:38#10
You know Draad in principle I agree some older chaps were played past their sell-by dates. But if I ask myself who the the real talents who never got chances are, I can't think of anybody. In fact some guys who clearly wouldn't have smelt an AB team got chances.
I think it's fair to say that some youngsters got exited too quickly though...eg de Allende in retrospect.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Apr 2015, 21:29
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24 Apr 2015, 21:29#11
 Problem is the older guys would not smell the Fiji team anymore - yet you keep supporting them.  Anyway nobody can ever trust your assessment of players because it is biased beyond all recognition and is factually totally incorrect and is based on farfetched rubbish you dream up.    
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Apr 2015, 00:03
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25 Apr 2015, 00:03#12
 Moz, I think we wasted a lot of opportunity on thr bench with the likes of Guthro, bakkies and even Matfield.  Yes, Matfield is still good enough, but we know what we have in him. Put him on the bench and let the youngsters start. Bring him on if we fail. IMO Eben should have been tried at 5 for the boks lots of times. Jean the same. We know what we have. Build some depth.  But noo, Meyer plays outoppies to start AND on the bench. STUPID!! And then we have those who says Snorre did not build our depth. True, but Meyer is even more conservative. Atleast Snorre had a proper 13. Meyer has not and still he plods on with players out of position who aren't good enough. There were lots of opportunities to try new players, but he chose to go with outoppies. He could have done a lot better without compromising the team.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Apr 2015, 00:11
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25 Apr 2015, 00:11#13
Fair comment Draad...it's a tough road for the Bok coach though, we don't tolerate losses very well. 
That said I was struggling with out-oppies more than your content, until I realized you were referring to me and my fellow ou- toppies. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Apr 2015, 07:33
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25 Apr 2015, 07:33#14
 Draad
I have always been an admirer of De Villiers.   He is the work ethic way beyond expectations and is to my mind the best captain any team could want for their team - matter of fact the best in the world at present.
One thing I am sure of is that De Villiers will not be egocentric and accept selection of he feels he is going to let the team down.   I am going to look carefully at  the other two TV episodes dealing with his recovery and afterwards I am sure will have a clearer idea of how he is progressing.
Insofar as the other older players at present in the team or whom have played for the tram in recent years - there are in fact only two players older than 30  I have no reservations about selection to the squad and those are Habana and Burger.   All the other older players have negatives which are coming more and more to the fore as time goes on.  The latter includes the following:-
Jannie du Plessis, Victor Matfield, Willem Alberts, Fourie du Preez, Ruan Pienaar, Bismarck du Plessis
In some cases (Fourie du Preez and Bismarck du Plessis) their recent performances were not all that impressive.   Du Preez seems to have developed injury problems - probably being not entirely fit enough playing in Japan and his contributions to the gamer also showed marked difference in performance levels from one week to the next.   Bismarck last year and thus far this year is not the same player he was in 2012 and 2013.  
There are definitely better younger players than the other players mentioned above and to my mind either already Springboks or on the other hand on the fringes (ie in the larger playing squad of Meyer).
Of the younger players I have serious reservations about JP Pietersen (pace), Francois Steyn (under-performance) and Hendricks (defense).  I see only two real problem areas in the squad - and those are at 13 and on the wing.   We have plenty proven good-enough back-ups to cover all positions, but for those two.  The wing situation is less critical - since Hougaard should be the other wing - but maybe Hendricks should remain as the back-up.
Maybe the contenders for 13 should be Kriel, De Allende (if De Villiers in fact is available), De Villers himself or Serfontein.  Jean has shown a tendency for the Stormers to play at outside center with De Allende at 12.   I woulds say the 3 centers to be included in the WC squad should be (if De Villiers in fact is fit to play) De Villiers, De Allende and - despite Mozart's continuous moans, groans and inventions - Serfontein.  The guy that is impressing me more and more with every game he played in is Harold Vorster of the Lions.   He and Kriel should be the outside chances for 13 and if De Villiers is not available.   Kriel should be in the squad anyway.            


      
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