Jesus died for our Sins

With all this religious talk in the preseason I was thinking more about the origin of Christianity. God gave his only son etc, etc. 

Jesus was crucified (Christmas time) but was resurrected in April (easter time). 

Not sure what he did when he was resurrected, where he went after being resurrected, or why he was resurrected in the first place etc, etc. 

On a positive note, at least we will not run out of wine for the weekend as Jesus is back..... I wonder if he has a bigger range of wine to choose from now that he has died and been reborn?

So presumably Jesus is now in heaven? 

If Jesus died for our sins, then was resurrected, and then he dissapeared again- unless he went back to hang out on the cross? 

If he originally came from heaven, and is now back in heaven, he came back to earth again after dying, then- did he really die in the first place?

If he did not really die, then what?

Many religions like Jahovah witnesses beliefs differ from mainstream Christianity as well. Most notably they reject the doctrine of the Trinity and the existence of Hell. 

This is a all bit embarrassing SB, remember my admonition about doing your research to avoid having egg drip off your chin.

Nope the biggest blunder of recent times SB is your claim  that Jesus was crucified on Christmas.... ...that's ignorance on a mega scale.  I mean it's so stupid as to almost make one believe you are joking. Why would billions of Christians  celebrate the death of Jesus every year? You don't need to know the bible to know that view is so illogical as to be absurd.  

Embarrassing ignorance, embarrassing logic....and embarrassing manners.

No One Is Righteous

9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin.  As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11     there is no one who understands;
    there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
    not even one.
13 “Their throats are open graves;
    their tongues practice deceit.
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.
14     “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16     ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.
18     “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, so that every mouth may be silencedand the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Secondly, God is perfect and he will render a correct judgement. The punishment will fit the crime. Be assured that there is NOT a single person who will enter God's Heaven because he has kept the law. The law is holy and right but its purpose is as a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Try your absolute best to keep the law and you will fail as many will testify. 

You need a Saviour. Accept the love and grace of God revealed to us in the saving work OF GOD THE SON, JESUS THE CHRIST, THE ONE THROUGH WHOM THE UNIVERSE WAS MADE AND THE ONE WHO SUSTAINS ALL THINGS THROUGH THE WORD OF HIS POWER.

Incidently I see that dispite my previous explanations there are half bakes still insisting Beeno is trying to convert everybody here -as if that would be wrong if it were possisble! Perish the thought anybody gets saved.

The bible says God uses the preaching of the Gospel as a means of saving people. Hence I regret in my life not doing more preaching of the gospel. 

 I say again I have never saved any body and never will. I am NOT the Saviour. What I do is simply point you to biblical truth  much to the outrage by foolish athiests who believe there is no good or evil. Bwahhahahahaha I must say taken in one way these guys are real comics! 

Really now?

Read my article on the other thread and tell me if children that have ever sinned....... deserve that treatment.

I am not going to debate who gets saved or how it works in your view, but I would like your thoughts on children having to experience these atrocities because they have sinned, and end up being killed and having their entire family mutilated and dismembered in front of them  in such a barbaric way

Psalm 2

1 Why do the nations conspire[a]
    and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth rise up
    and the rulers band together
    against the Lord and against his anointed (Christ), saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
    and throw off their shackles (We dont want their rule).”

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king (Jesus KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS)
    on Zion, my holy mountain.”

7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:

He said to me, “You are my son;
    today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
    and I will make the nations your inheritance,
    the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron[b];
    you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
    be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
    and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
    and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
    Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

God is God and he will rule. He not tolerate this rebellion forever. God is kind and slow to anger. However he is to be respected and reverenced. Note particularly YOUR WAY WILL LEAD TO YOUR DESTRUCTION. The behavious of man on the earth illustrates this perfectly.

How we look forward to the return of the LORD to rule. 

For the ungodly and God haters:

The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his  wrath

Psalm 2

1 Why do the nations conspire[a]
    and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth rise up
    and the rulers band together
    against the Lord and against his anointed (Christ), saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
    and throw off their shackles (We dont want their rule).”

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king (Jesus KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS)
    on Zion, my holy mountain.”

7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:

He said to me, “You are my son;
    today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
    and I will make the nations your inheritance,
    the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron[b];
    you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
    be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
    and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
    and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
    Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

God is God and he will rule. He not tolerate this rebellion forever. God is kind and slow to anger. However he is to be respected and reverenced. Note particularly YOUR WAY WILL LEAD TO YOUR DESTRUCTION. The behavious of man on the earth illustrates this perfectly.

How we look forward to the return of the LORD to rule. 

For the ungodly and God haters:

The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his wrath

So just to confirm what you are saying here Beeno

Children are sinners, and will grow up to become future sinners, therefore they deserve what they get.... or got here in this example I gave you?

Why not just let this poor child die in her sleep?

Does she have to face such a sadistic death because she sinned, when the alternatives of other ways to die and go to heaven are imense... accident, disease, still born, etc etc 

 Famous atheists’ last words before dying.  Voltaire: ‘I am abandoned by God and man…I shall go to hell.’  

Thomas Paine: 'I would give worlds, if I had them, that the "Age of Reason" had never been published.  Oh, God, save me; for I am at the edge of hell alone…’ 

Thomas Carlyle:  I am as good as without hope, a sad old man gazing into the final chasm.’

 Gandhi 15 years before his death: ‘I must tell you in all humility that Hinduism, as I know it…entirely satisfies my soul, fills my whole being and I find solace in the Bhagavad and the Upanishads.’ Shortly before his death he wrote:  ‘My days are numbered, I am not likely to live much longer, perhaps a year or more…For the first time in 50 years I find myself in the slough of despond…All about me is darkness; I am praying for light.’  (Please note SHARKBOK!)

Sir Thomas Scott, Chancellor of England:  ‘Until this moment, I thought there was neither God nor Hell…Now I know and feel that there are both, and I am doomed to perdition by the just judgment of the Almighty…’ 

Edward Gibbon, author:  ‘All is dark and doubtful.’ Mazarin, French cardinal:  ‘Oh, my poor soul!  What will become of thee?  Whither wilt thou go?’ 

Thomas Hobbes, political philosopher and sceptic: ‘I am about to take a fearful leap into the dark.’ 

Sir Francis Newport, sceptic:  ‘I know I am lost forever!  Oh, that fire!  Oh, the insufferable pangs of hell!’ 

All these and more can be seen on a compelling Youtube presentation called 'Famous atheists' last words before dying.'   Contrast the above with the words of two men who truly knew God. King David of Israel:  ‘Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, Thou art with me.’(HE SAID I WILL FEAR NO EVIL)

Paul the apostle:  ‘Oh death, where is thy sting?  Oh Hades, where is your victory?...Thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.' 1 Cor 15:55,56 (AMEN!! AND AMEN!!)

'For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain.' Philippians 1:21

'For our citizenship is in heaven.' Philippians 3:20

'Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit...' Colossians 2:8

'I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.  Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me ony, but also to all who have loved His appearing.'  2 Timothy 4:7,8 

For anyone reading this now, there is hope for you, for the Lord Jesus Christ said:  ‘I am the resurrection and the life.  He that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.’  (John 11:25)  He also said: 'I am the way, the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through Me.' (John 14:6)

 The words of the Lord Jesus make many people angry today.  They claim they don't believe in Hell, but they get angry at the thought that they might end up there.  The teaching of the Lord Jesus was that all men are sinners, all need a Savior, no one is good enough to merit Heaven.  That is the reason He had to come and die as a sacrifice for sin, for without the shedding of His holy blood, there would be no forgiveness for anyone.  Sin is so terrible, it had to be atoned for, and none of us were good enough to be the sacrifice.  Only He was perfect, and His perfect sacrifice paid the penalty for all the sins of every person who believes in Him.

 Today is the day of salvation, the day when you can put your trust in the Lord Jesus and ask Him to forgive your sins.  Nothing is more important.  Jesus promised that everyone who puts their faith in Him will have everlasting life and that those who do not believe are condemned. (John 3:16-18)

 We urge every visitor to this website to make it their top priority to read the New Testament and find the truth for themselves, put their trust in the Savior, and obey Him by being baptized in water.  Here is a good prayer to start the New Year with:

 'Lord Jesus, the thought of dying is so scary.  I want to know You. I want to belong to You. I want to be one of Your people.  I have committed sins, bad things I did and said and thought, and I can never go back in time and change any of it (think through your life, and He will bring sins to your memory).  Please forgive me for (whatever sins you remember)...  Please make me one of Your people.'

You may think that you have completely blown it and are too bad to be forgiven... but you are wrong.  Christ died for sinners!  The Bible says so, and the blood of Jesus Christ, God's Son, cleanses from ALL sin. 1 John 1:7

6 For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Wonder Councellor refers to the Holy Spirit who is called the Councellor. Everlasting Father. If you have seen me you have seen the Father. I and the Father are one.

Hence you see how silly it is for anybody to think of listening to any other religious voice out there.

The equality and identity of Jesus Christ as God is clearly stated in the NT, and is also implied by the words and deeds of Jesus Christ. The OT prophecies also point to the divinity of the coming Messiah.

Heb 1:8 See also Ps 45:6; Jn 1:1-2,18; Ro 9:5 NIV footnote has alternative translations: “Christ who is over all. God be for ever praised!” Or: “Christ. God who is over all be for ever praised!”; Php 2:6; Tit 2:13; 2Pe 1:1

Mt 1:23 See also Isa 7:14; Lk 1:35; Col 1:15; Col 2:2,9; 1Ti 1:17; 1Jn 5:20

Mt 28:19 See also Jn 14:16; 2Co 13:14; Eph 1:13-14; Eph 2:18,22; Eph 3:14-17; Eph 4:4-6

Jesus Christ precedes creation Col 1:17 See also Mic 5:2; Jn 17:5,24; 2Ti 1:9; 1Pe 1:20; 1Jn 1:1; 1Jn 2:13

Jesus Christ is everlasting Jn 8:58 See also Heb 1:12; Ps 102:27; Heb 7:3,24; Heb 13:8; Rev 1:8; Rev 5:13; Rev 22:13

Jn 6:62 See also Jn 3:13,31; Jn 6:41-42; Jn 13:3; Jn 16:28

Heb 1:3 See also Mt 17:2 pp Mk 9:2-3 pp Lk 9:29; Jn 1:14; 1Co 2:8; 2Co 4:4; Jas 2:1

The divinity of the coming Messiah Isa 9:6; Isa 40:3; Jer 23:6; Mal 3:1

NT passages which apply OT passages about God to Jesus Christ Ro 10:13 See also Joel 2:32; Jn 12:40-41; Isa 6:10; Ro 9:33; Isa 8:14; Eph 4:8; Ps 68:18

He claimed to be one with the Father Jn 5:17-18 See also Jn 10:30-33,36-38; Jn 12:45; Jn 14:7,9-11; Jn 17:11,21

He demonstrated his authority to forgive sin Lk 5:20-24 pp Mt 9:2-6 pp Mk 2:5-10 See also Lk 7:47-48

Mt 8:26-27 pp Mk 4:39-41 pp Lk 8:24-25 See also Mt 12:8 pp Mk 2:28 pp Lk 6:5; Lk 8:39 pp Mk 5:19-20

Ac 2:36 See also Ro 1:4; Php 2:9-11

Jesus Christ as judge Jn 5:27 In the OT, final responsibility for judgment is assigned to God. See also Mt 25:31-33;Mk 8:38 pp Mt 16:27 pp Lk 9:26; Ac 17:31; Ro 2:16; 2Co 5:10

Jesus Christ as “I am” Jn 11:25 “I am” is the meaning of God’s name in the OT (see Ex 3:14). See also Jn 6:35; Jn 8:12; Jn 10:7,11; Jn 14:6; Jn 15:1; Jn 18:5-6

Jesus Christ as Saviour Ac 5:31 According to the OT, God alone can save. See also Ac 4:12; Eph 5:23; Heb 7:25

Jesus Christ as Lord Ro 10:9 “Lord” was equivalent to God’s name in the OT. See also Lk 1:43; Lk 2:11; Jn 13:13;1Co 12:3; 2Co 4:5; Rev 19:16

Jesus Christ as creator Col 1:16 See also Jn 1:3,10; Ac 3:15; Ro 11:36; 1Co 8:6; Heb 1:2,10; Ps 102:25

Jesus Christ as shepherd Heb 13:20 “Shepherd” was a well-known OT name for God. See also Jn 10:11-16; 1Pe 2:25; 1Pe 5:4

The disciples Jn 20:28 See also Mt 16:16 pp Mk 8:29 pp Lk 9:20

The demons Mk 3:11; Lk 4:41 pp Mk 1:34

Jesus Christ is worshipped as God Lk 24:52 The fact that no-one but God may be worshipped is fundamental to Judaism. See also Mt 2:11; Mt 28:9,17; Jn 9:38; 2Ti 4:18; 2Pe 3:18; Rev 1:5-6; Rev 5:12-13; Rev 7:10

Prayer is addressed to Jesus Christ Ac 7:59-60; Ac 9:13; 1Co 16:22; Rev 22:20

Rooitwit I honestly believe any sane person will readily acknowledge that the bible teache that Jesus is the DIVINE SON OF GOD after checking out these scriptures.

A tip if you dont have a Bible. Just put the reference in google and up the verse will pop. Its bettter though to read it in the Bible as that gives context..

It would also be a very beneficial study for ou Sharkbok. Man this guy has NO idea!!!

If the topic grips you google it the evidence is overwhelming.

Beeno

I don't think you would have the same beliefs if you went through what these young girls are going through, or if you had to witness it happening to your own daughter after seeing your son and husband beheaded in front of you.

Tell me all you want that you would, but there is no way you would sit there thinking.... well everything happens for a reason, I must just trust in my God, and then he let's you live to a ripe old age so you can tear yourself apart everyday reliving it over and over.

For example, does anyone remember many many years ago when a pastor got 3 black males to enter his church and threaten his congregation with 3 AK47's, whilst they were singing God's praises?.

It made news around the whole country because of what the pastor did and people had to go for trauma counselling.

These three guys entered the church and instructed that everyone who truly believes in God must move to the left hand side of the hall.  80% of the people moved to the left hand side of the hall.

The 20% "Non believers" stayed on the right hand side of the hall.

But... the 3 black males then said, all of you on the left clearly have no problem believing in your God, and we are here to help you meet him sooner than you expected because we do not believe in a God, and we are only here to kill believers.

Needless to say, of the 80% that went over, 75% of them moved back over to the "non believers" on the right hand side, and I  remember having massive respect for the remaining 5% who were willing to go to their maker.

The pastor did this to prove a point to his congregation that coming to church alone does not make you a true believer or a christian, and he made his point, but he got into a lot of legal s..h..i..t because of it.

Just shows though, when your life is on the line, are you willing to make the ultimate sacri fice to your god, whether it be your life, your son, your daughter, wife, husband.

Most christians would not....... and of that I have no doubt

 Shame SB.....hurting a little? But we could come up with a whole list of the new holidays just for you.

Lent.... a period where you eat as much as you can.

Palm Sunday.... a day you plant trees to save the environment

Independence Day...the day the Brits finally tamed their North American colonies.

Bastille Day....the day they ate cake

Thanksgiving....a national day to honour birds

Bank Holiday Monday.....the day everybody gets a chance to vist their bank

Guy Fawkes.....the day they blew up the Houses of Parliament

Bwaaahhahahahahahaha....congrats Sharkbok you are a funny fella.

And just to help your further understanding US carbon production is about two thirds of that in China....and China will dwarf everybody in coal consumption in the years ahead....for which South Africa is a major source .