And I am done with this topic now. Not one more thing from me on this.
Club Pro247 posts
14 Jan 2015, 19:51
#81
14 Jan 2015, 19:51#81
Jesus died for our Sins
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Captain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2015, 21:43
#82
14 Jan 2015, 21:43#82
Sharkbok, you are behaving like an arsehole. You mock something you don't even know the basics of and then attack the whistle blower with something way off topic. To give yourself credibility you then start referring to your education????? You compensating for something boet?
Captain23,218 posts
14 Jan 2015, 22:48
#83
14 Jan 2015, 22:48#83
DbDraad, when I need your opinion I will ask for it.
Just because your God is an angry person that wants to drown or burn anyone that makes him angry, does not mean that other peoples God's cant take a joke. (The Jesus at the bar scene). I probably know more about the Bible than many Christians, what I am saying above is tongue and cheek. As with the tooth fairy, Alice in wonderland etc- it has been a long time since I have read the stuff.
If I am arguing with someone else, keep out of it, the argument has nothing originally to do with religion- it was actually global warming but carried onto this thread. Keep to your own business. If you are arguing with someone else, do I step in?
What I would really like to see is an afterlife where everyone gets judged and watch the look of the faces of the happy clappies.Unlike what Happy Clappy Christians believe, I expect they will mostly feature at the back of the que. I would love to see the look on their faces when the majority of people are in front of them. They have a self-righteousness which will be tested at some point.
The majority on this board are not happy Clappy Christians. So if the few Happy Clappy Christians can create threads about them being the only ones that get into heaven and carry the self-righteous intolerant attitude on earth, so can non Christians create threads to debate the validity of religion. This includes the death and resurrection of Jesus, and what it was actually worth given that Jesus was just going back to Heaven after getting resurrected.
The worst places in the world are where their is extreme religion. Look no further than South Africa where a conservative twisted religion was followed. It was basically Apartheid that existed in heaven and how many of the masses went along with the scam....
The political problems of South Africa in the past would have been much better addressed by non-religious people. Instead of was a conservative and backward system that caused much of the problems today. Blind Faith in something that by common sense and decency was clearly not correct.
The Muslim Bombers that kill people from other religions(evil) all go to heaven and get 40 virgins. Not much of a heaven for the virgins.
Just because your God is an angry person that wants to drown or burn anyone that makes him angry, does not mean that other peoples God's cant take a joke. (The Jesus at the bar scene). I probably know more about the Bible than many Christians, what I am saying above is tongue and cheek. As with the tooth fairy, Alice in wonderland etc- it has been a long time since I have read the stuff.
If I am arguing with someone else, keep out of it, the argument has nothing originally to do with religion- it was actually global warming but carried onto this thread. Keep to your own business. If you are arguing with someone else, do I step in?
What I would really like to see is an afterlife where everyone gets judged and watch the look of the faces of the happy clappies.Unlike what Happy Clappy Christians believe, I expect they will mostly feature at the back of the que. I would love to see the look on their faces when the majority of people are in front of them. They have a self-righteousness which will be tested at some point.
The majority on this board are not happy Clappy Christians. So if the few Happy Clappy Christians can create threads about them being the only ones that get into heaven and carry the self-righteous intolerant attitude on earth, so can non Christians create threads to debate the validity of religion. This includes the death and resurrection of Jesus, and what it was actually worth given that Jesus was just going back to Heaven after getting resurrected.
The worst places in the world are where their is extreme religion. Look no further than South Africa where a conservative twisted religion was followed. It was basically Apartheid that existed in heaven and how many of the masses went along with the scam....
The political problems of South Africa in the past would have been much better addressed by non-religious people. Instead of was a conservative and backward system that caused much of the problems today. Blind Faith in something that by common sense and decency was clearly not correct.
The Muslim Bombers that kill people from other religions(evil) all go to heaven and get 40 virgins. Not much of a heaven for the virgins.
Captain40,032 posts
15 Jan 2015, 09:45
#85
15 Jan 2015, 09:45#85
Moz says -Oh shame it's all capitalist propaganda. But tell me, be specific, how exactly did I get my ass handed to me....other than you just repeating the view of global warming believers. It's fine to say I got humiliated, good tactics perhaps....but how. What fact did you refute, what piece of logic did you disprove?
Poor wee Shartwit says: Can someone please enlighten me, because opening any of these threads that have been corrupted by the dimwit f#ckface Beeno's relentless copy and pastes causes actual mental pain.Sharktwit finds reading the opinons of top scientists (inlcuding Nobel laureates) and studies made on the atheists re their anger depression and despair very painful. I do sympathise sharktwit but no pain no gain boet.I can however assure you 100 % that you were never a born again Christain. Jesus said he will not lose one of his people.Not one. You were never one of His peole sharktwit dispite anyhing to the contrary. If you had really come to know Jesus you would never have departed. All you expereinced was religion which can save nobody.What is very evident about you sharktwit is that you have a very darkened mind and are a very angry person.
Man there is so much twaddle to wade through in the above posts where does one start. Moz I think you dealings with the lemming sharkbokkie has been excellent and very funny. A more clueless oak is hard to find but there is a rival - Wee sharktwit the halfwit
I must say I have found these atheists real pushovers. They cannot answer the posts I have made and have resorted to rants and raves but have not dealt with the facts at hand. What is certain is that there had to be an eternal first cause and that dawinisnm is a stinking rotten corpse - the hoax of the 20th century. And of course that atheism is a religion of despair and most unwholesome and detrimental to anyones health - think sharktwit!!All of which proves that God's verdict on athiests being fools is 100 % correct.
Poor wee Shartwit says: Can someone please enlighten me, because opening any of these threads that have been corrupted by the dimwit f#ckface Beeno's relentless copy and pastes causes actual mental pain.Sharktwit finds reading the opinons of top scientists (inlcuding Nobel laureates) and studies made on the atheists re their anger depression and despair very painful. I do sympathise sharktwit but no pain no gain boet.I can however assure you 100 % that you were never a born again Christain. Jesus said he will not lose one of his people.Not one. You were never one of His peole sharktwit dispite anyhing to the contrary. If you had really come to know Jesus you would never have departed. All you expereinced was religion which can save nobody.What is very evident about you sharktwit is that you have a very darkened mind and are a very angry person.
Man there is so much twaddle to wade through in the above posts where does one start. Moz I think you dealings with the lemming sharkbokkie has been excellent and very funny. A more clueless oak is hard to find but there is a rival - Wee sharktwit the halfwit
I must say I have found these atheists real pushovers. They cannot answer the posts I have made and have resorted to rants and raves but have not dealt with the facts at hand. What is certain is that there had to be an eternal first cause and that dawinisnm is a stinking rotten corpse - the hoax of the 20th century. And of course that atheism is a religion of despair and most unwholesome and detrimental to anyones health - think sharktwit!!All of which proves that God's verdict on athiests being fools is 100 % correct.
Captain40,032 posts
15 Jan 2015, 09:51
#86
15 Jan 2015, 09:51#86
For CC's enlightenment:I saiah 9:6-7
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Note the singular Name. Here we have all three members of the triune Godhead mentioned. This child bears all these names. It speaks of the oneness of the God head.The Councelor is of course the Holy spirit.
If you disagree with anyhing CC be specific.
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Note the singular Name. Here we have all three members of the triune Godhead mentioned. This child bears all these names. It speaks of the oneness of the God head.The Councelor is of course the Holy spirit.
If you disagree with anyhing CC be specific.
Captain40,032 posts
15 Jan 2015, 10:07
#87
15 Jan 2015, 10:07#87
Now as a very speacial treat I am puttinga briliant clip on here with interesting visuals dealing with the Universe and ver y interesting stuff about DNA and our bodies which are "fearfully and wonderfully made" Anyatheists looking at thsi will have firther oubts about his insane take on matters.I think ou shartwit will be too afraid to watch this. He has had more than he can handle.However its an excllent clip so hope some of you will enjoy the amazing revelation of Gods majesty and power displayed the the immense and the minute. Learn about Laminin as well:
Captain40,032 posts
15 Jan 2015, 10:09
#88
15 Jan 2015, 10:09#88
Webpage is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCrvibgo1LM
Again note the overflowing Church and again the youth attending. These pipsqueak groet bek atheists should just quieten down, cease their rants and listen to the truth. For their own sakes and others you have to put up with their rantings. Thanks.
Again note the overflowing Church and again the youth attending. These pipsqueak groet bek atheists should just quieten down, cease their rants and listen to the truth. For their own sakes and others you have to put up with their rantings. Thanks.
Captain40,032 posts
15 Jan 2015, 10:14
#89
15 Jan 2015, 10:14#89
Some excellent advice from Moz that atheists should apply to themselves. Their close mined bigotry is legendary!!
This is a all bit embarrassing SB, remember my admonition about doing your research to avoid having egg drip off your chin.
In the case of the atheists its not dripping its an avalanche!!
In the egg lead are sharkbokkie and ou shartwittie. Notice oaks that the two densest oaks here when it comes spiritual matters are the two the sharkies who wear black. Could this mean anything! Are sharks supporters inherently thicker than others ! Bwahahhahahahahaahahahhaha
Captain40,032 posts
15 Jan 2015, 10:34
#90
15 Jan 2015, 10:34#90
Did Christopher Hitchkins begin to doubt his atheism? Odd comments from him?There is mountains of other evidence besides the fine tuning story!
Captain40,032 posts
15 Jan 2015, 11:23
#91
15 Jan 2015, 11:23#91
All atheists and indeed everyone should look at this clip as well. Its spells the END of any arrogant nonsense. Watch this clip and humble your self in awe and reference to of God and his amazing wisdom and power. A brilliant clip
Pro3,977 posts
15 Jan 2015, 11:59
#92
15 Jan 2015, 11:59#92
Beans, I agree that DNA is fantastic in its complexity, but it does not in any way prove or disprove evolution. Think for a moment Beeno, what if God created the first organism (with its DNA) and let evolution take care of the rest? What if God let evolution move on until one day breathing consciousness into a creature that was the first human being. The bible's Adam?
It is your obsession with the bible word for word that makes you blind to other possibilities.
In my opinion Evolution and religion can co-exist.
It is your obsession with the bible word for word that makes you blind to other possibilities.
In my opinion Evolution and religion can co-exist.
Captain26,388 posts
15 Jan 2015, 12:19
#93
15 Jan 2015, 12:19#93
Good point Blue, totally agree. Science does not have all the answers, in fact when it comes to the origin of the universe we know so very little. Same with the origin of life and evolution. There are just way too many gaps.
As a Christian, I don't believe in a 6 x 24 h creation. I believe in what science has already proven. I believe the earth is billions of years old and that life on Earth has been around for millions of years. I read the Bible in the context it was given and don't for one second think it can be used as a science handbook.
PS. Sharkbok. I have no problem with what you believe in and why, I do however reserve myself the right to give my opinion to whom I feel like and on the subjects I choose, without being invited. Go ahead, mock and ridicule away, no skin of my back, but it does look silly if you jest at something you clearly know very little of.
PSS. I have a few very good friends that are either Atheists or Agnostics and I don't feel threatened if someone does not share my beliefs. Mockery, jest and ridicule does not offend me either. So fire away.
As a Christian, I don't believe in a 6 x 24 h creation. I believe in what science has already proven. I believe the earth is billions of years old and that life on Earth has been around for millions of years. I read the Bible in the context it was given and don't for one second think it can be used as a science handbook.
PS. Sharkbok. I have no problem with what you believe in and why, I do however reserve myself the right to give my opinion to whom I feel like and on the subjects I choose, without being invited. Go ahead, mock and ridicule away, no skin of my back, but it does look silly if you jest at something you clearly know very little of.
PSS. I have a few very good friends that are either Atheists or Agnostics and I don't feel threatened if someone does not share my beliefs. Mockery, jest and ridicule does not offend me either. So fire away.
Pro9,374 posts
15 Jan 2015, 13:11
#94
15 Jan 2015, 13:11#94
Well said Draad and Bluebok.
Captain23,218 posts
15 Jan 2015, 14:56
#95
15 Jan 2015, 14:56#95
Captain23,218 posts
15 Jan 2015, 15:08
#96
15 Jan 2015, 15:08#96
Captain23,218 posts
15 Jan 2015, 15:10
#97
15 Jan 2015, 15:10#97
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Captain23,218 posts
15 Jan 2015, 15:14
#98
15 Jan 2015, 15:14#98
What is interesting is that the likes of Beeno reject evolution, as well as other religions or athiasts going to heaven.
1. This Cardinal agrees that evolution does exist. He states that at some moment in time that monkeys had souls- and this is when they transferred to being human.2. Also that the world is millions or probably billions of year old (not the 6 thousand in the bible)
3. He also states that athiasts can and do go to heaven if they are better people than a Christian.
He states that it the actions of people that decide how close they are too God, not just being a Christian etc. (Common sense stuff really, except for a backward bible basher that thinks of the thousands of religions, only one would go to heaven.
This cardinal gives a good account of himself and is a good ambassador to Christianity, and religion in general. He seems far more tolerant and open minded than many Christians who seem locked in the mentality that we are all evil sinners, wretches etc and deserve damnation.
Is this a case of Christian faith evolving with the times? Just like the bible had to be changed in the past to say that the earth was no longer round.
1. This Cardinal agrees that evolution does exist. He states that at some moment in time that monkeys had souls- and this is when they transferred to being human.2. Also that the world is millions or probably billions of year old (not the 6 thousand in the bible)
3. He also states that athiasts can and do go to heaven if they are better people than a Christian.
He states that it the actions of people that decide how close they are too God, not just being a Christian etc. (Common sense stuff really, except for a backward bible basher that thinks of the thousands of religions, only one would go to heaven.
This cardinal gives a good account of himself and is a good ambassador to Christianity, and religion in general. He seems far more tolerant and open minded than many Christians who seem locked in the mentality that we are all evil sinners, wretches etc and deserve damnation.
Is this a case of Christian faith evolving with the times? Just like the bible had to be changed in the past to say that the earth was no longer round.
Captain23,218 posts
15 Jan 2015, 15:17
#99
15 Jan 2015, 15:17#99
DbDraad, are you lying my son?
You say that it is not skin of your back, yet reading your original post it looks like lots of skin of your back.Does your right to comment also involve swearing at non-christians just because your house of glass is challenged.Perhaps this raises doubt in your mind , and this makes you angry- and feel the need to lash out.
You say that it is not skin of your back, yet reading your original post it looks like lots of skin of your back.Does your right to comment also involve swearing at non-christians just because your house of glass is challenged.Perhaps this raises doubt in your mind , and this makes you angry- and feel the need to lash out.
Captain26,388 posts
15 Jan 2015, 16:39
#100
15 Jan 2015, 16:39#100
If you took offence at "arsehole", then I truly apologise. And I did not say you are one, I said you behaved like one.
Like I said, no worries. I always try only to play the ball, if you feel I attacked you, again, sorry, it wasn't the intention.
Like I said, no worries. I always try only to play the ball, if you feel I attacked you, again, sorry, it wasn't the intention.
Captain23,218 posts
15 Jan 2015, 16:49
#101
15 Jan 2015, 16:49#101
DbDraad, dont worry about it, apology accepted.I think on these boards everyone has arguments from time to time. It is probably never good to take sides when 2 posters argue, because in time things change, those that were enemies became Allies, and vice versa.
Club Pro495 posts
16 Jan 2015, 08:52
#102
16 Jan 2015, 08:52#102
But Sharkbok, the need to argue with malice is crazy. Much more is achieved through civil debate than name calling and then attacking the person (Like my Daddy he's an expert)
Any organised religion has its zealots or drumbeaters who do more for the detracting than explaining. I have yet to meet a person who has physical tangible evidence - like photos - of heaven or hell. That's why religion is also called faith but in many cases it defies logic. It remains an individual's choice as to who or what they want to believe.
Salaam
Any organised religion has its zealots or drumbeaters who do more for the detracting than explaining. I have yet to meet a person who has physical tangible evidence - like photos - of heaven or hell. That's why religion is also called faith but in many cases it defies logic. It remains an individual's choice as to who or what they want to believe.
Salaam
Pro9,905 posts
16 Jan 2015, 10:37
#103
16 Jan 2015, 10:37#103
SharkTwat ... our house of glass??? Challenged???
By who??
You??
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!
You are a clueless moron. Ignorant to the extreme. In fact I doubt anyone can match your level of stupidity. It's a level that's referred to in certain circles as being a natural "fool" ...
I think our "house" is safe enough ... thanks any way.
Pro9,905 posts
16 Jan 2015, 10:41
#104
16 Jan 2015, 10:41#104
Hey Sharky ... with all due respect ... it seems to me as if you've decided to take on atheism as an easy way out so that the repercussions of your sinful life can be avoided.
I'm glad you're feeling relieved now that you've rejected Christ ... but I'm not convinced it'll work.
Good luck with that!!
Captain12,893 posts
16 Jan 2015, 13:46
#105
16 Jan 2015, 13:46#105
When this debate is done and dusted can someone pretty puleeeez point me in the right direction?...tx
More importantly can someone assure me that the Proteas will win the world cup ....tx again.
Nice!
Heaven...I'm in heaven!
Pro7,008 posts
16 Jan 2015, 14:13
#106
16 Jan 2015, 14:13#106
Denny.........Since you asked so nicely
Here is the direction I am pointing you in
I'm sure you w ill enjoy
Captain40,032 posts
17 Jan 2015, 14:59
#107
17 Jan 2015, 14:59#107
Beans, I agree that DNA is fantastic in its complexity, but it does not in any way prove or disprove evolution. Think for a moment Beeno, what if God created the first organism (with its DNA) and let evolution take care of the rest? What if God let evolution move on until one day breathing consciousness into a creature that was the first human being. The bible's Adam?
everyone agrees information cannot coke from material objects . Information comes fro mind. 384 volumes of Enclycopeadia Britannica information in a DNA string that exsits in every tiny tny cell. Did you look at those clips?
Only a mad man would think it could have evolved!
There is no evidence for macro evolution. No dog evloves inot a cat etc etc. There are minor variations within a species. However all the Biological information is already there. IE No new information arises. Nothing has ever evolved.
It is your obsession with the bible word for word that makes you blind to other possibilities.
HAHHAHAHAHAHA so God get it right some time and wrong at others eh Bluebok. I think not. As Prof John Lennox said. If scientists had beleived the bible that the Universe had a beginning they would have saved the,mselves a huge amount of time. He needs little ol you and me to explain how it all happened, what is right and what is wrong. Yup the creator of all things needs to wise up! Bwahahahhahahahahahahahahaha Perhaps he should consult the very foolish sharkbok and sharktwit!
In my opinion Evolution and religion can co-exist. Of coure they can. Error (Evolution) and the truth (Creation) always co exist in this world.
Darwinism is a rotting corpse being wheeled away in a coffin by scientists with very red faces. The biggest hoax of the 20th century. The attempts of atheists to muzzle and persecuting academics speaking out on this is collapsing and the truth is there for anyone to see.
The FOOL has said in his heart there is no God. The FOOL also says God doesnt know what he is talking about. Scientists today are staggering under the weight of the mind boggling discoveries!!Now some oaks are trying to escape the obvious by claiming we dont know!! Ignoring logic, ignoring the basic scientific law of cause and effect they say we cant know if there ever was an eternal first first cause. They end up trying explain a Universe from nothing!! Sheer lunacy and obstinate refusal to see the very obvious. Hence God calls them fools because what he has made shows them there is one God above all who created all this.
No sane and honest person can deny its game, set and match to creation. That they will not throw in the towel regardless of evidence is becuase they will not have God rule over them. What they also dont see is they do have in fact have a master and he will dragg them down with him and be their lord forever. How ghastly that thought is!! Flee this foolishness one and all and be saved by God the Son Jesus Christ. THERE IS NO OTHER NAME GIVEN IN HEAVEN OR EARTH WHEREBY MEN MUST BE SAVED! There is nobody who compares to Christ. He is above all and before all. Infinitely supoerior becuase he is GOD the Son. The Father says to the SON - Thy throne oh God will last forever and ever! (Read the first Chapter of Hebrews it has a trintarian discussion).
everyone agrees information cannot coke from material objects . Information comes fro mind. 384 volumes of Enclycopeadia Britannica information in a DNA string that exsits in every tiny tny cell. Did you look at those clips?
Only a mad man would think it could have evolved!
There is no evidence for macro evolution. No dog evloves inot a cat etc etc. There are minor variations within a species. However all the Biological information is already there. IE No new information arises. Nothing has ever evolved.
It is your obsession with the bible word for word that makes you blind to other possibilities.
HAHHAHAHAHAHA so God get it right some time and wrong at others eh Bluebok. I think not. As Prof John Lennox said. If scientists had beleived the bible that the Universe had a beginning they would have saved the,mselves a huge amount of time. He needs little ol you and me to explain how it all happened, what is right and what is wrong. Yup the creator of all things needs to wise up! Bwahahahhahahahahahahahahaha Perhaps he should consult the very foolish sharkbok and sharktwit!
In my opinion Evolution and religion can co-exist. Of coure they can. Error (Evolution) and the truth (Creation) always co exist in this world.
Darwinism is a rotting corpse being wheeled away in a coffin by scientists with very red faces. The biggest hoax of the 20th century. The attempts of atheists to muzzle and persecuting academics speaking out on this is collapsing and the truth is there for anyone to see.
The FOOL has said in his heart there is no God. The FOOL also says God doesnt know what he is talking about. Scientists today are staggering under the weight of the mind boggling discoveries!!Now some oaks are trying to escape the obvious by claiming we dont know!! Ignoring logic, ignoring the basic scientific law of cause and effect they say we cant know if there ever was an eternal first first cause. They end up trying explain a Universe from nothing!! Sheer lunacy and obstinate refusal to see the very obvious. Hence God calls them fools because what he has made shows them there is one God above all who created all this.
No sane and honest person can deny its game, set and match to creation. That they will not throw in the towel regardless of evidence is becuase they will not have God rule over them. What they also dont see is they do have in fact have a master and he will dragg them down with him and be their lord forever. How ghastly that thought is!! Flee this foolishness one and all and be saved by God the Son Jesus Christ. THERE IS NO OTHER NAME GIVEN IN HEAVEN OR EARTH WHEREBY MEN MUST BE SAVED! There is nobody who compares to Christ. He is above all and before all. Infinitely supoerior becuase he is GOD the Son. The Father says to the SON - Thy throne oh God will last forever and ever! (Read the first Chapter of Hebrews it has a trintarian discussion).
Captain40,032 posts
17 Jan 2015, 15:18
#108
17 Jan 2015, 15:18#108
Sharkbok's hero seems to have realised all was NOT well. Shortly before his death he wrote:For the first time in 50 years I find myself in the slough of despond. All about me is darkness. I am praying for light.Sharkbok do likewise.Jesus said I am the light of the world.
If anyone denies me before men I will deny them before my Father.
If anyone denies me before men I will deny them before my Father.
Captain40,032 posts
17 Jan 2015, 15:24
#109
17 Jan 2015, 15:24#109
Says sharkbok - Most Church sermons are based on penance. That Christians can be reborn again by going to church- and filling up the donations basket.
Sharkbok being born again is a supernatural experience!!! No man can give the Holy Spirit to you.
Listen Sharkbok why dont you read the bible your notions are absurd. I will concede there are churches out there who may as well close down because they do not know the Lord neither do they teach the truth of God's word. You need to read the bible and seek Jesus with all you have. Then you will find.
Satan has rolled out many obstacles but you can find and be saved.
Sharkbok being born again is a supernatural experience!!! No man can give the Holy Spirit to you.
Listen Sharkbok why dont you read the bible your notions are absurd. I will concede there are churches out there who may as well close down because they do not know the Lord neither do they teach the truth of God's word. You need to read the bible and seek Jesus with all you have. Then you will find.
Satan has rolled out many obstacles but you can find and be saved.
Pro4,378 posts
18 Jan 2015, 00:03
#110
18 Jan 2015, 00:03#110
I actually had a visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses today ! They kindly left me a copy of The Watchtower and said they would return at a later date to discuss the content
Newbie5 posts
18 Jan 2015, 02:36
#111
18 Jan 2015, 02:36#111
I remember thyis discussion before so here's what was posted back then;
Firstly, do not be too judgemental with Atheism, as you may cross that thin line where if others do not believe your way, they are automatically "Hopeless", or wrong as you say. That is very ignorant on your part, and I mean that in a nice way. Once you come across as yours is the best and only way, you have lost all hope of ever having a decent discussion because it is clearly obvious that you would never contemplate any reasonable alternative to yours.
I find your way of thinking interesting, whether I agree with it or not, it certainly does not make you wrong, just as much as it does not make an atheiest wrong in his way of thinking. Just like you have all the answers to some questions, I am sure some atheists have their answers to their own questions.
For a person who never ever comes into contact with faith or religion, so never has the choice to accept a just god into their lives, are they now condemned to hell?, yet they have never known anything different?
Also remember, you are quoting the bible, which has many many conradictions in it, which cannot 100% be proven, or disproven, so your argument of proof with the written word is not conclusive by any means whatsoever just because it was written back then.
For instance: An interesting article from a converted Christian
I have lived as a faithful Christian for the first half of my life. My apostasy began with the introduction of such authors as Napoleon Hill, Brian Tracy, Norman Vincent Peale and Anthony Robbins. The lessons I had learned from their concepts of how faith really works as a functional component of the human brain led me to scrutinize "God's word" and present questions that point to inconsistencies that Christians have no sufficient answer for. Don't get me wrong, they will have an answer for them. You will find, however, that their answers have no basis in verifiable fact or evidence whatsoever, and will be largely based in their blind faith forsaking all reason.
Before I begin the top 50 questions, I would like to clarify my position and intention with this list. It is not in my intention to tell any believer in the Christian faith that they should not practice their religion. Please re-read that last sentence more than once. I know that faith is a function of the brain that will be motivated by any belief system or religion that each individual feels personally comfortable with deep inside themselves.
If only one religion was the only 'true religion,' then the vast majority of the world would be spiritually unfulfilled and miserable with their personal religions. We know that is not the case. Christians practice their religion and achieve the desired results just as Hindus, Buddhists and Wiccans achieve the same desired results through their methods. Religion is simply a story about how life came to be, why we are here, what we are to do while we are here and how, where we are going after death and what it all really means. This story, however, has to be unique to your environmental experience throughout your life to be believable enough to be accepted by faith. That is why a young Pentecostal Christian child being raised in southern Missouri, US, will not readily be expected to grow up to be a follower of the Hindu faith. Religion is simply an environmentally influenced and culturally appropriate psychological vehicle needed for one to motivate their faith to positive affect.
I believe that every religion 'works' for every individual because psychological requirements for motivating faith is unique to every individual. You may ask, then, why would I write such an article as this, seemingly bashing the Christian faith? This article was inspired by much time spent in spirited debate (no pun intended), with Christians that insist upon being "fishers of men". There are many Christians who understand that they can not change how others believe and settle for living their own Christian lives. These are not the ones this is directed to. This is intended for those Christians that will not accept, "no thank you, I believe in xyz." They make it their personal mission to "win your soul for the Lord."
This type of approach is vastly counter productive and quite inappropriate serving only as an annoyance for most. This list is for those obnoxious Christians we all know that stand behind 'god's word' as realistic fact to support their mission to win your soul. This list, I hope, should also serve as a catalyst for one to question what they are comfortable with themselves thereby motivating their own faith. Some of these questions, I'm sure, you have heard before and some you may not have. Nonetheless, I welcome all to comment on this article and attempt answering these questions based upon your own faith, whether you agree with me or not.
Please note that the following questions are not listed in any order of precedence or specific organization.
1 - If God is omnipotent (all-powerful), why did he take six days to create everything? Why not speak everything into existence all at once?
2 - Why won't God heal amputees?
3 - If God is so perfect, then why did he create something so imperfect allowing pain, suffering and daily atrocities?
4 - Why did the little old lady that God healed one Sunday need her walker to get around again next Sunday? Was she only temporarily worthy of a healing?
5 - How did Noah fit the millions and millions of species of animals on this planet into his ark? It doesn't take a mathematical genius to realize the physical impossibility of this.
6 - If Noah did fit all of these species on the ark for forty days and forty nights, how did the penguins make it from Mt. Ararat to the Antarctic? How did the koala bears make it to Australia with no eucalyptus to eat along the way?
7 - Why do innocent children have to suffer with terminal diseases such as cancer? What part of 'God's plan' is this exactly?
8 - How is it that the bible explains the earth to be 6,000 to 8,000 years old when we know that dinosaur bones are at least 65 million years old? This isn't the only example of our planet's age by any means, either.
9 - Why can't the all-powerful God forgive someone of their sins after they die? Example: A Christian man that is seemingly on God's good list makes a stupid decision and decides to drink a little too much at the fish fry. On his way home he crashes into a mini-van killing a mother, her two children and his self. This man led a very faithful life and made one stupid, yet grave mistake. If this man did not ask for forgiveness of his sins before the electrical activity in his brain ceased, then God will judge him and send him to hell to burn for eternity.
10 - God wants everyone to worship and follow him and, if they don't, they burn in hell for all eternity. What does this type of attitude say about his character? By definition, he would be described as a tyrant.
11 - If Jesus died on the cross and spent three days in hell to pay for the sins of the world, then why would we have to go to hell ourselves and pay for them again? God is then, in essence, being paid for our sins twice. With that said, was Jesus' sacrifice not worthy enough? If that is the case, why should we care that he died for our sins if his sacrifice means nothing at all?
12 - If God wants us all to follow and worship him, why didn't he create us as such? *Your expected answer will be addressed in the next question.
13 - What good is it for us to have free will if the intention is for us not to use it? Sure, we can use our free will, but we will burn in hell for eternity if we do. Russian roulette, anybody? It sounds like a set-up to me.
14 - In the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, why would God kill Lot's wife, Sarah, by turning her into a pillar of salt for simply looking in the wrong direction? *Warning of impending sarcasm.* God is a merciful God........... right.
15 - What purpose does hell serve? If it is punishment for sinful actions, shouldn't it be used for correctional purposes? Seeing as though you burn forever, you will never get out of hell to show that you have learned your lesson. Would it make sense to live a faithful Christian life glorifying the Lord and to accidentally sin by saying a curse word the instant you smash your car into the back of a tractor-trailer, thereby being condemned to burn in hell forever?
16 - We know that we feel physical feelings through electrical impulses that send information to our brains through our nervous system. Once we die, we no longer feel pain due to the lack of a physical nervous system and, oh yeah, a brain. How could we 'feel' the excruciating flames of hell for eternity? Does God make you feel this torment for all eternity out of pure malice because you wouldn't worship him?
17 - If God is perfect and his creations perfect, why did he fail several times? He had to impose suffering upon the human race because Adam and Eve defied him by eating of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Failed! He had to flood the planet 1,600 years later wiping out all but eight humans. Failure! He had to confuse human language after Nimrod and the Tower of Babel incident so that they could not effectively communicate with each other. Failure! How is this a track record of a perfect being?
18 - If God is omnipotent, why does he not just show himself to all of us, all at once, thereby ending this game of free will and temptation?
19 - If, in the beginning, there was only God and he created everything, why would he create angels that had the propensity to defy him? This very fallacy led to Lucifer challenging his authority because he desired to share the same power as God. This led to the rise, or fall depending on how you look at it, of Satan, the most notorious enemy of God and his followers. Failed, again!
20 - Why would you trust 'God's plan' given his track record of many failures?
21 - A disciple of Christ, Thomas, was a skeptic. He walked with Jesus during his time on earth and physically witnessed with his own eyes certain miracles performed by him such as raising Lazarus from the dead and so forth. However, after the crucifixion, Jesus supposedly rose three days later and Thomas did not believe it was truly him despite being told, prior to the incident by Jesus, that he would rise again in three days. Thomas required physical proof. Jesus allowed him to touch him and feel the wounds in his body to offer that proof to Thomas. Why doesn't god extend the same proof to humans alive today? Those that doubt his existence are no different than Thomas, requiring physical proof and he was a disciple of Jesus himself. If Thomas had been born one generation later, or even living today, he would have burned in hell for all eternity because he would not believe for the lack of physical proof. Paul was born after the death and ascension of Christ. Throughout his life, he did not believe that Jesus was the son of God and even went out of his way to persecute and murder Christians thinking that their religion was a dangerous belief system to practice. Lo and behold a flash of light came out of the sky and Jesus Christ himself appeared to Paul explaining to him that he is actually the one true god. Jesus told him that he was persecuting the followers of the only true faith. From that point on, Paul was a converted Christian. Again, if God was willing to go out of his way to physically prove to Paul that he actually exists, why is this not done today? Why isn't God willing to show those that doubt today the same degree of physical proof? Why should we be any different than Thomas and Paul?
22 - Christians argue evolution by asking why there aren't any half-ape/half-men walking around today, right? Why don't we see giants, fiery talking serpents, talking donkeys and many other mythical creatures that are described in the Bible?
23 - If we are to only have sex for the purpose of pro-creation, and to do so outside of the scope of pro-creation is sinful, then why would God create us with an over abundance of nerve endings in our reproductive organs making sex extremely pleasurable? It sounds like yet another set-up.
24 - Why do Christians share the same statistical rate of divorce as everyone else? "What God hath made, let no man put asunder." How could Christian marriages fail if they are sanctified by God? Hmmmm.... interesting.
25 - In the book of Luke chapter 19 verse 27, Jesus says, "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." This seems pretty clear that Jesus would have Christians kill all non-believers. How do you explain this? Convert them or kill them, right?
26 - If God created everything, why did he create AIDS, influenza, ebola, ecoli and so on and so on? These, as viruses, are living things. You definitely can not use the free will card for this one. Is this another part of 'God's plan'?
27 - How can God answer a prayer giving a working-class man in the United States a raise at his place of employment so that he can move his family into a larger house, but he does not answer the prayers to stop the starvation and disease of millions upon millions of children around the world? This must be another infinitely wise part of 'God's plan'.
28 - If God's word is supposed to be the accurate word of God himself, how are we supposed to trust it enough to model our lives after it 100% when hundreds of books were excluded from the original text throughout so many translations and revisions in history?
29 - Why is there no evidence of any of the miracles performed by God? None whatsoever.
30 - If God and Jesus are the same, having the same mind, knowledge and power, then why would Jesus beg himself in the garden of Gethsemane, to spare himself from having to be crucified? Furthermore, why would Jesus ask himself why he has forsaken himself by allowing himself to be crucified?
31 - If you believe that your eternal life is more important than your physical life and you believe that all children are innocent in the eyes of God, why not kill your children so they are guaranteed to go to heaven? You can't tell me that it is because killing is a sin. First of all, you could repent thereafter and be forgiven. Secondly, if you would sacrifice your life for your child who is about to be hit by a train, and you believe your eternal life is more important than this life, then it would stand to reason that you should kill your children to ensure their entrance into heaven before they are old enough to be held accountable for being a creature of sin, right?
32 - If you do believe that children are innocent in the eyes of God, wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest that abortion doctors are winning more souls for Christ than Christian missionaries? Why not bomb a pre-school? That would surely win a lot of souls for Christ.
33 - If you do not believe that children are innocent in the eyes of God, wouldn't it be fair to suggest that God is a monster for sending babies and toddlers to hell upon their death? Do you see the conundrum here?
34 - It is a common belief among Christians that the only unforgivable sin is consciously rejecting Christ as Lord and savior. With that said, it is also believed by Christians that those who have never heard of Jesus and the Christian faith, i.e. individuals within an isolated tribe, babies and so forth, have no concept of Christ and can not, therefore, be in the position to consciously reject him. This would allow them entrance into heaven by default. With that said, why would you tell anyone about Christ? Why would you spread the word if that would put them in the position to consciously reject him? If they are already going to heaven due to their ignorance of the word of God, why not just let that be? You would, in effect, be losing more souls to Satan by spreading the word. You might want to rethink that whole "fishers of men" thing.
35 - Imagine that I had the power and ability to feed millions and end all suffering. Now, imagine that I simply chose not to do so because these millions of people that are suffering did not like me. You would probably like me even less then, right? Then why does God get a 'get out of jail free card' on that one? Wait a minute, 'God's plan,' right? Gotcha.
36 - Why are more atrocities committed in the name of God than anything else?
37 - The bible states that it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. If it is fairly difficult for the rich to go to heaven then why are there wealthy Christians? Why wouldn't these rich Christians give up all of their wealth to make it easier for them to enter the kingdom of heaven and help out their fellow man because their God won't?
38 - Building upon the previous question, if it is almost impossible for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven, then why would God create heaven as having pearly gates, streets of gold and many mansions? It sounds like he wants us to be poor in life so that we will want to be rich in the afterlife, maybe? Is God using the sinful value of greed to attract humans to believe in him? Does that make any sense whatsoever?
36 - Why are more atrocities committed in the name of God than anything else?
37 - The bible states that it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. If it is fairly difficult for the rich to go to heaven then why are there wealthy Christians? Why wouldn't these rich Christians give up all of their wealth to make it easier for them to enter the kingdom of heaven and help out their fellow man because their God won't?
38 - Building upon the previous question, if it is almost impossible for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven, then why would God create heaven as having pearly gates, streets of gold and many mansions? It sounds like he wants us to be poor in life so that we will want to be rich in the afterlife, maybe? Is God using the sinful value of greed to attract humans to believe in him? Does that make any sense whatsoever?
39 - If God is perfect then his creations should be perfect, right? Then that would mean that the earth is a perfect creation. Then why would God have to create another perfect place, heaven, and use it to entice us to believe in him? What kind of assurance do we have that heaven would be any better than his other 'perfect' creation, earth?
40 - God allowed Jesus to be tempted as a human by Satan in the wilderness of the desert. Again, if God and Jesus are the same entity, then what kind of sense does it make for God to allow himself to be tempted by Satan in the wilderness to see if he would give in to the temptation? In addition to that, if he were all-knowing, he would have already known the outcome and, therefore, could have avoided the whole thing all together.
41 - If heaven is to be a place free of sadness, pain and suffering, then how can you be happy in heaven knowing that the vast majority of humankind is painfully burning for eternity, especially when some of them may be your loved ones?
42 - Seeing as though everything we, including Christians, enjoy in the modern world is a product of science, why do Christians so fervently deny factual scientific evidence that disproves so many aspects of the bible and their religion as a whole?
43 - If Christianity is the only true religion, then why do practitioners of all other religions feel fulfilled in their faith and achieve the same desired results as Christians?
44 - If God created everything, then why did he create the tree of knowledge of good and evil and put it right in the middle of the Garden of Eden for Eve to eat of its fruit if he didn't want her to? Furthermore, why did God create the serpent that tempted Eve? Uh-oh, it sounds like another possible set-up.
45 - In the beginning God created Adam and Eve, right? Then Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel. What happens next? How did the species propagate itself? Incest is genetically detrimental to offspring. It is also seen as being terribly immoral among the majority of people alive today, including Christians. There was either some incest going on or God created more people from scratch and we weren't told about it. The same scenario applies to the flood incident. Sure, Noah's three sons had wives, but that would still mean that, out of the eight remaining individuals on the planet, there is only a 50% variation of genetic code. Mathematically, inbreeding was sure to be necessary to replenish the earth.
46 - Why does God allow things to happen among his followers that he has already deemed to be sinful, i.e. incest example above, "thou shall not kill" and so forth, and it is alright as long as it is done in his name? Remember, more deaths have occurred in history in God's name.
47 - How did Adam live to 930, Seth 912 and Methuselah 969 years old when anthropological evidence shows that we have progressively increased our longevity throughout history? If they did live that long back then, this concept would be reversed and our longevity should have been decreasing throughout history, right? That would mean that people 500 years ago should have lived to at least 200 years old. Why do we not find evidence of this throughout written historical birth and death records as well as archaeological and anthropological evidence?
48 - God has killed more people than Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Sadam Hussein, Milosevic, Osama Bin Laden and Jim Jones combined. Why would you not follow them instead of God? Based on this standard, these monsters are compassionate compared to God.
49 - Why is it that when a Christian is faced with questions that have huge negative implications towards the logic of their faith, they conveniently say that it is in God's plan? Is the scope of their own understanding of the religion and God they have offered their souls to so limited that their only answer is 'God's plan'? Judging by the above mentioned failures, God's plan does not seem to be a very good one.
50 - Why would God give us the capability of logic and reason and expect us not to use it when it comes to belief in him and his word?
In closing, please allow me to reiterate the fact that I am not telling you not to believe what you want to believe, in fact, I encourage it. That is how it is supposed to be, after all. All I am saying is that those who feel their mission in life is to win my soul will be held accountable for rational answers to these questions. A rational answer will not consist of the words "because God said....." That would be like trying to define a word using the word in the definition. It just doesn't work.
Now Beeno, you may try and now say that this guy is a complete moron, and should rather go and hide somewhere and never show his face. Well, he is giving a very honest outlook and account from an ex-christian's point of view, which he is entitled to do.
You may not agree with what he says, and he may not agree with what you have to say, but does that make him any more correct or wrong?
Newbie5 posts
18 Jan 2015, 02:47
#112
18 Jan 2015, 02:47#112
36 - Why are more atrocities committed in the name of God than anything else?
37 - The bible states that it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. If it is fairly difficult for the rich to go to heaven then why are there wealthy Christians? Why wouldn't these rich Christians give up all of their wealth to make it easier for them to enter the kingdom of heaven and help out their fellow man because their God won't?
38 - Building upon the previous question, if it is almost impossible for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven, then why would God create heaven as having pearly gates, streets of gold and many mansions? It sounds like he wants us to be poor in life so that we will want to be rich in the afterlife, maybe? Is God using the sinful value of greed to attract humans to believe in him? Does that make any sense whatsoever?
39 - If God is perfect then his creations should be perfect, right? Then that would mean that the earth is a perfect creation. Then why would God have to create another perfect place, heaven, and use it to entice us to believe in him? What kind of assurance do we have that heaven would be any better than his other 'perfect' creation, earth?
40 - God allowed Jesus to be tempted as a human by Satan in the wilderness of the desert. Again, if God and Jesus are the same entity, then what kind of sense does it make for God to allow himself to be tempted by Satan in the wilderness to see if he would give in to the temptation? In addition to that, if he were all-knowing, he would have already known the outcome and, therefore, could have avoided the whole thing all together.
41 - If heaven is to be a place free of sadness, pain and suffering, then how can you be happy in heaven knowing that the vast majority of humankind is painfully burning for eternity, especially when some of them may be your loved ones?
42 - Seeing as though everything we, including Christians, enjoy in the modern world is a product of science, why do Christians so fervently deny factual scientific evidence that disproves so many aspects of the bible and their religion as a whole?
43 - If Christianity is the only true religion, then why do practitioners of all other religions feel fulfilled in their faith and achieve the same desired results as Christians?
44 - If God created everything, then why did he create the tree of knowledge of good and evil and put it right in the middle of the Garden of Eden for Eve to eat of its fruit if he didn't want her to? Furthermore, why did God create the serpent that tempted Eve? Uh-oh, it sounds like another possible set-up.
45 - In the beginning God created Adam and Eve, right? Then Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel. What happens next? How did the species propagate itself? Incest is genetically detrimental to offspring. It is also seen as being terribly immoral among the majority of people alive today, including Christians. There was either some incest going on or God created more people from scratch and we weren't told about it. The same scenario applies to the flood incident. Sure, Noah's three sons had wives, but that would still mean that, out of the eight remaining individuals on the planet, there is only a 50% variation of genetic code. Mathematically, inbreeding was sure to be necessary to replenish the earth.
46 - Why does God allow things to happen among his followers that he has already deemed to be sinful, i.e. incest example above, "thou shall not kill" and so forth, and it is alright as long as it is done in his name? Remember, more deaths have occurred in history in God's name.
47 - How did Adam live to 930, Seth 912 and Methuselah 969 years old when anthropological evidence shows that we have progressively increased our longevity throughout history? If they did live that long back then, this concept would be reversed and our longevity should have been decreasing throughout history, right? That would mean that people 500 years ago should have lived to at least 200 years old. Why do we not find evidence of this throughout written historical birth and death records as well as archaeological and anthropological evidence?
48 - God has killed more people than Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Sadam Hussein, Milosevic, Osama Bin Laden and Jim Jones combined. Why would you not follow them instead of God? Based on this standard, these monsters are compassionate compared to God.
49 - Why is it that when a Christian is faced with questions that have huge negative implications towards the logic of their faith, they conveniently say that it is in God's plan? Is the scope of their own understanding of the religion and God they have offered their souls to so limited that their only answer is 'God's plan'? Judging by the above mentioned failures, God's plan does not seem to be a very good one.
50 - Why would God give us the capability of logic and reason and expect us not to use it when it comes to belief in him and his word?
In closing, please allow me to reiterate the fact that I am not telling you not to believe what you want to believe, in fact, I encourage it. That is how it is supposed to be, after all. All I am saying is that those who feel their mission in life is to win my soul will be held accountable for rational answers to these questions. A rational answer will not consist of the words "because God said....." That would be like trying to define a word using the word in the definition. It just doesn't work.
Now Beeno, you may try and now say that this guy is a complete moron, and should rather go and hide somewhere and never show his face. Well, he is giving a very honest outlook and account from an ex-christian's point of view, which he is entitled to do.
You may not agree with what he says, and he may not agree with what you have to say, but does that make him any more correct or wrong?
Pro4,378 posts
18 Jan 2015, 03:57
#113
18 Jan 2015, 03:57#113
Ah well, I can answer a bit of this for you as the Jehovah's Witness fellows kindly enlightened me this very Sabbath
They were kind enough to give me an interpretation of the Lord's Prayer..not that I asked for it ! What they seem to be espousing is the hypothesis that the Lord will one day return to save us all as stated in that very Prayer.They seem to think the line " Thy will be done,On Earth as it is in Heaven " indicates that He will return one day and only then will his will be imposed here as it is in Heaven. And then there will be an end to Wars, sickness, disability etc etc. That was their interpretation and explanation as to why the world was in the state it is and He had yet to make an appearance.....I told them he really should get a move on .......and one of them almost agreed with me !!
They were kind enough to give me an interpretation of the Lord's Prayer..not that I asked for it ! What they seem to be espousing is the hypothesis that the Lord will one day return to save us all as stated in that very Prayer.They seem to think the line " Thy will be done,On Earth as it is in Heaven " indicates that He will return one day and only then will his will be imposed here as it is in Heaven. And then there will be an end to Wars, sickness, disability etc etc. That was their interpretation and explanation as to why the world was in the state it is and He had yet to make an appearance.....I told them he really should get a move on .......and one of them almost agreed with me !!
Club Pro247 posts
18 Jan 2015, 06:05
#114
18 Jan 2015, 06:05#114
MungBeeno - There are no answers to those questions, since religious belief is driven by the human mind and not by a single ounce of substantive evidence. The last time I asked your namesake for one single piece of physical evidence that god existed, he mysteriously got 'hacked' and stayed away for a week.
This is very interesting, and provides a window into the reason religion in any form exists.
During World War II, both the Japanese and USA dropped supplies on certain islands in the South Pacific which resulted in a drastic upgrade to the living standards of the tribes living that, there up until that time had no contact with any other humans. Until today, the people of the remote Tanna Island, Vanuatu still worship an American, John Frump who promised to return with more cargo if they prayed to him. They have holy days like devoted to him (similar to Christmas). The head minister (like their pope) still dresses in full American military attire to address his adoring congregation and they still pray to the American flag for more supplies to be dropped.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/in-john-they-trust-109294882/?no-ist
This is why all religion exists....because of delusion.
This is very interesting, and provides a window into the reason religion in any form exists.
During World War II, both the Japanese and USA dropped supplies on certain islands in the South Pacific which resulted in a drastic upgrade to the living standards of the tribes living that, there up until that time had no contact with any other humans. Until today, the people of the remote Tanna Island, Vanuatu still worship an American, John Frump who promised to return with more cargo if they prayed to him. They have holy days like devoted to him (similar to Christmas). The head minister (like their pope) still dresses in full American military attire to address his adoring congregation and they still pray to the American flag for more supplies to be dropped.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/in-john-they-trust-109294882/?no-ist
This is why all religion exists....because of delusion.
Club Pro495 posts
18 Jan 2015, 08:17
#115
18 Jan 2015, 08:17#115
Salaam
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TRANSCRIPT:
As though the Catholic Church hadn’t already done everything it possibly could to absolutely obliterate the moral credibility it never had, this morning, I woke up to the Pope — the vicar of Christ, the head of the Holy Roman Catholic Church — advocating actual physical violence in response to offensive, or provocative speech, thereby inciting violence, and coddling the terrorists who killed my fellow satirists last week at the French weekly, Charlie Hedbo.
“If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch. It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”
“There are so many people who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others. They are provocateurs. And what happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit.”
Well, I have three words for you, Pope Franky… Fuck you, asshole!
I not only CAN make fun of the faith of others. I do it professionally, you sick, totalitarian bastard! You terrorist apologist! Your claim to be connected to some higher power gets you no pass from criticism, ridicule, and mockery, you self-imporant jerkwad! And by the way, does the fact that I am so deeply offended by what you said now give me the right to physically harm Catholics, destroy Catholic property, or say something like, “well, if someone assassinates the Pope, the Pope brought it on himself?”, you, simple-minding, mouth-breathing provocateur?
Let me explain to you, Pope violence, why you’re dead wrong — because apparently, the 2000 years of your own vile, wicked, totalitarian history has taught you absolutely nothing about basic human decency, you sick fuck!
There are, and can be, no limits on freedom of speech because when there where — and when your very organization was in charge of imposing those limits, you locked up a man for the rest of his life for giving us one of the most important scientific findings in the history of humanity — one you might want to consider right now — that we are not the center of the universe. You murdered people — burned them alive — for speech you deemed heretical and offensive, you fucking moron.
Now, if you want to disregard the stated principles of your religion and help Nazis, or fuck young boys, I guess some would say that’s your business. And God knows you never really cared for the whole “Freedom of Speech” in the first place — what evil empire would? But your dear leader — whose ideas seem to be no where on your fucking radar — was pretty adamant about returning violence with love — and that was VIOLENCE — not simply speech, which neither picks my pockets not breaks my leg. Do you even remember that whole “turn the other cheek” bit your Lord did, you hypocritical piece of shit?
So, fuck you, Pope Francis, you terrorist sympathizer. I will mock the faith of others all I want. That is my right as a human being. You don’t get to harm other people simply because they said something you didn’t like, you fucking, knuckle-dragging caveman. Your recourse instead, is to do exactly what I’m doing here — speak your mind in opposition. That’s it! You stupid hat-wearing, son-of-a-bitch.
For those of you who agree with me, please post using the hashtag #FuckThePope.
For those who disagree, please post using the hashtag #FuckTheDeity (I win either way). Unless you’re the pope. In which case, you have a lot of work to do getting your head out of your ass. You terrorist-coddling douchbag.
Link
TRANSCRIPT:
As though the Catholic Church hadn’t already done everything it possibly could to absolutely obliterate the moral credibility it never had, this morning, I woke up to the Pope — the vicar of Christ, the head of the Holy Roman Catholic Church — advocating actual physical violence in response to offensive, or provocative speech, thereby inciting violence, and coddling the terrorists who killed my fellow satirists last week at the French weekly, Charlie Hedbo.
“If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch. It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”
“There are so many people who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others. They are provocateurs. And what happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit.”
Well, I have three words for you, Pope Franky… Fuck you, asshole!
I not only CAN make fun of the faith of others. I do it professionally, you sick, totalitarian bastard! You terrorist apologist! Your claim to be connected to some higher power gets you no pass from criticism, ridicule, and mockery, you self-imporant jerkwad! And by the way, does the fact that I am so deeply offended by what you said now give me the right to physically harm Catholics, destroy Catholic property, or say something like, “well, if someone assassinates the Pope, the Pope brought it on himself?”, you, simple-minding, mouth-breathing provocateur?
Let me explain to you, Pope violence, why you’re dead wrong — because apparently, the 2000 years of your own vile, wicked, totalitarian history has taught you absolutely nothing about basic human decency, you sick fuck!
There are, and can be, no limits on freedom of speech because when there where — and when your very organization was in charge of imposing those limits, you locked up a man for the rest of his life for giving us one of the most important scientific findings in the history of humanity — one you might want to consider right now — that we are not the center of the universe. You murdered people — burned them alive — for speech you deemed heretical and offensive, you fucking moron.
Now, if you want to disregard the stated principles of your religion and help Nazis, or fuck young boys, I guess some would say that’s your business. And God knows you never really cared for the whole “Freedom of Speech” in the first place — what evil empire would? But your dear leader — whose ideas seem to be no where on your fucking radar — was pretty adamant about returning violence with love — and that was VIOLENCE — not simply speech, which neither picks my pockets not breaks my leg. Do you even remember that whole “turn the other cheek” bit your Lord did, you hypocritical piece of shit?
So, fuck you, Pope Francis, you terrorist sympathizer. I will mock the faith of others all I want. That is my right as a human being. You don’t get to harm other people simply because they said something you didn’t like, you fucking, knuckle-dragging caveman. Your recourse instead, is to do exactly what I’m doing here — speak your mind in opposition. That’s it! You stupid hat-wearing, son-of-a-bitch.
For those of you who agree with me, please post using the hashtag #FuckThePope.
For those who disagree, please post using the hashtag #FuckTheDeity (I win either way). Unless you’re the pope. In which case, you have a lot of work to do getting your head out of your ass. You terrorist-coddling douchbag.
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