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Lima Sopoaga, Tawera Kerr-Barlow a must, no room for Dagg, Jane; by TOBY ROBSON

Started by Just_win8 REPLIES455 VIEWS· 29 Aug 2015, 02:33
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Aug 2015, 02:33
#1
29 Aug 2015, 02:33#1

OPINION: A risk assessment and a little bit of faith should allow Tawera Kerr-Barlow and Lima Sopoaga to sneak into the All Blacks World Cup squad.

Picking two players in each position isn't a bad place to start when trying to unravel the fraught job of whittling the riches of talent available to coach Steve Hansen down to 31.

The selectors will go into the tournament with a fair idea of their top XV and, once they've thrashed Namibia in their second match, will presumably stick largely to the combinations they hope will take them to the title.

In the event of injuries, Hansen will want minimum disruption and hence specialists rather than stop-gap, or experimental selections should be the mantra.

There has been much debate about how many first five eighths, halfbacks and outside backs are needed at a World Cup.

The answer is three on the first two counts. Those wearing numbers 9 and No 10 are crucial, and so are their back ups.

On his form and goal kicking this season, Sopoaga provides the best straight swap for Dan Carter. Barrett is the next best and the same rationale applies to Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara and Tawera Kerr-Barlow.

To have a stop-gap halfback or first five-eighth replacement on the bench for a knockout match should be considered an unacceptable and unnecessary risk.

If Carter suffered a minor injury before the quarterfinal or semifinal, but was not ruled out of the tournament, a top drawer starter and goal kicker, as well as a back-up should be a must within the travelling squad. Ditto for Aaron Smith. The notion of Colin Slade or Dan Carter playing halfback in a knockout match would seem an unnecessary risk.

Under that rationale a decent argument could be mounted for Israel Dagg, inconsistent all year, to gain a reprieve as the next best fullback behind Ben Smith. However, Dagg is no longer head and shoulders better than the alternatives.

Despite a hattrick for Hawke's Bay last weekend, he has scored just two tries in his last 26 tests and, like his old mate Cory Jane, injuries have thwarted his ability to build form and confidence.

Jane is the most difficult player to leave out. His skill under the high ball appeals, but his case is hindered by the emergence of Nehe Milner-Skudder as a more potent scoring threat on the right wing, while Charles Piutau's form and ability to play on the left wing make him the logical and most balanced back up to Julian Savea.

Waisake Naholo seems too great a gamble as he returns from a broken leg, while Slade is simply too similar in skill set to Barrett.

In the forwards, the debate over whether to carry three or four locks, or an extra loose forward, could be spun both ways.

Neither Jeremy Thrush nor Liam Messam would let any team down. But the greater attrition in the loose forwards and weakness of the All Blacks pool means there is minimal risk in using Jerome Kaino as cover in the second row.

Up front, Charlie Faumuina's late return makes him a controversial figure, but in truth his explosiveness with ball in hand has been sorely missed in the All Blacks pack this season.

If fit he's a must, which is bad luck for fast rising Nepo Laulala.

TOBY ROBSON'S WORLD CUP SQUAD:

Backs: Ben Smith, Julian Savea, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Charles Piutau, Malakai Fekitoa, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Sonny Bill Williams, Dan Carter, Beauden Barrett, Lima Sopoaga, Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara, Tawera Kerr-Barlow.

Forwards: Dane Coles, Keven Mealamu, Codie Taylor, Owen Franks, Charlie Faumuina, Tony Woodcock, Wyatt Crockett, Ben Franks, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Luke Romano, Victor Vito, Liam Messam, Jerome Kaino, Sam Cane, Richie McCaw (c), Kieran Read

QUESTIONS:

1. Who was the unluckiest player to miss your squad?

Colin Slade. Did nothing wrong, but his similar skill set to Beauden Barrett made it difficult to justify selecting both.

2. Why have you picked Charles Piutau ahead of Cory Jane?

Simple. Piutau covers the left wing, Jane doesn't. Jane remains a class player and if Nehe Milner-Skudder hadn't emerged as a star, he would have still been there. Injury hasn't helped his cause.

3. Why have you gone with three halfbacks?

What would happen if Aaron Smith had a minor injury before the quarter, or semi final, but would be right the following week? TJ Perenara could start, but would anyone really be comfortable with Dan Carter or Colin Slade covering halfback in a knock-out match?

4. Which member of your squad would have the most to prove at the RWC?

Sonny Bill Williams. His form this year hasn't reached the heights of the previous two seasons and going into the tournament he is not a clear starter in the midfield. By the knock out stage he needs to be commanding big game time. At his best he's a big match winner. 

 - Stuff

 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,282 posts
29 Aug 2015, 02:47
#2
29 Aug 2015, 02:47#2
Dagg is little more than a field positional kicker these days. 
He looks like has bulked up to much and lost his step, as well as his mojo. 
His kicking game works well against the Boks, so better that he misses the bus.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Aug 2015, 02:51
#3
29 Aug 2015, 02:51#3
 Someone has to miss out but there is so much talent & only 31 slots. I will feel sorry for Slade if he doesn't get picked. I am sure he will be told to be ready as injuries happen but it will be a bitter pill to swallow.  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Aug 2015, 02:57
#4
29 Aug 2015, 02:57#4
 And now for a different opinion, Dagg & Slade make the cut.
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WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Aug 2015, 09:21
#5
29 Aug 2015, 09:21#5
 I really do like Dagg but he just isnt quit good enough sad to say ,still maybe Dagg ,Jane and Slade should check out the white-baiting in England .NMS is just too damn g ood to leave out and is the 'X-factor" player, a term  so beloved of sports jounalists these days .
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
29 Aug 2015, 12:21
#6
29 Aug 2015, 12:21#6
 "On his form and goal kicking this season, Sopoaga provides the best straight swap for Dan Carter. Barrett is the next best"

from where does the journo take this statement???? somebody really thinks that Sopoaga could be the second in the picking order and that he's going to be used from the bench in a WC to finish the matches with 1 cap experience???? really?????   there's no way,.... no way,........ WTF is this journo smoking?
Both Barret and Slade are better flyhalves than Sopoaga but the most important for a WC, they have far more experience and they are both excellent FBs (Slade also can play wing and scrumie).
IMO they are still before Sopoaga in the coach team's picking order. I would put Slade as second behind Crater coz he's one of the most complete flyhalves in the world, he does everything well, tactical kicking, distribution, decision-making, attack the gainline,...... but don't kow if Hansen & co have the same opinion,..... what it would be very hard to understand, at least for me, is that one of the pair Slade-Barret is replaced by Sopoaga.

"If Carter suffered a minor injury before the quarterfinal or semifinal, but was not ruled out of the tournament, a top drawer starter and goal kicker, as well as a back-up should be a must within the travelling squad. Ditto for Aaron Smith. The notion of Colin Slade or Dan Carter playing halfback in a knockout match would seem an unnecessary risk."

the one who will be playing halfback if A. Smith gets a minor injury is TJ Perenara, not Slade or Carter. What Slade will do is to be the cover from the bench and this most probably means that he doesn't have to play a minute since the scrumies can perfectly play the 80 minutes (as Perenara usually does when palying for canes).
The third scrumie is barely used in WCs and his place, every place in a WC, is very important and can be very useful. Taking the 5th outside back, e.g., gives a lot more diferent combinations and enables diferent gameplans, makes also posible to rest more players,.... all of which is very important in a WC:

"Israel Dagg, inconsistent all year,"
this guy writes knowing nothing, he didn't even watch Dagg playing this year otherwise he wouldn't write such a BS.
The only inconsistency of Dagg was to get injured. He played just 5 SR matches but he was excellent, he was in the form of his best days and this is a damn good form.
The stats of the Fox fantasy are the most complete and a very good indicative. Dagg was 5th in the average point-scoring (outside backs) only behind Folau, Nadolo (and when both Dagg and Nadolo were playing for saders Dagg was in better form and had better average), Moala and Nanai-Williams . Also Dagg finished before players like Savea, Milner-Skuder or Naholo.
After that he had a rusty first test match exactly in the same way as the rest of the AB team had (but at least Dagg was coming from a long period of inactivity). So where the f*ck is the inconsistency????  Pure BS.

The more logical selection would be:
- Scrumies: A. Smith, Perenara
-Flyhalves: D. Carter, C. Slade and Barret
-Outside backs: J. Savea, B. Smith, I. Dagg, Milner-Skuder and Piutau
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
29 Aug 2015, 13:23
#7
29 Aug 2015, 13:23#7
 Here are the ESPN stats for the 4 matches Dagg played complete. These are the rounds 6,7,8 and 9, games against Cheetahs (H), Bulls (A), Sharks (A) and Highlanders (H):


  T/A Pts K/P/R MR CB DB OL TO Tack LO Pen Y/R
Dagg 1/0 5 4/24/17 139 2 4 1 3 1/0 2/0 1 0/0
Dagg 0/0 0 1/14/14 179 3 5 1 2 1/0 2/0 0 0/0
Dagg 1/1 5 7/10/11 69 1 3 2 2 0/0 1/0 0 0/0
Dagg 0/0 2 5/16/17 81 0 1 4 3 3/1 0/0 0 0/0
For a total 2 tries, 1 assist, 468 m. (117m./match), 6 linebreaks, 13 defenders beaten,....

In the second round he played against the landers but get injured in the 38 min. so he played just half the match. His stats are in the same way:

Dagg 0/0 0 3/5/7 58 2 2 2 2 0/0 0/0 0 0/0
if he wouldn't have got injured and played the whole match the stats c ould have been:

Dagg 0/0 0 6/10/14 116
4
4
4
4
0/0 0/0 0 0/0

so where is the f*cking inconsistency?????????

AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
29 Aug 2015, 20:19
#8
29 Aug 2015, 20:19#8
 A strong and talented AB squad.....they are going to go all the way.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Aug 2015, 20:29
#9
29 Aug 2015, 20:29#9

 ..cant see TKB making it given he hasn't been given a run..and Hansen promised all the players a run..,,not looking good for Jane either


...could still see Naholo making it in a shock inclusion...all will be revealed today..


...has been rampant speculation about which outside backs we'll take...if Ben Smith, Julian Savea and Nehe Milner-Skudder are locked in then...it could come back to...

Dagg vs Piu tau  

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