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Lock Situation - latest news

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2015, 16:44
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20 Jul 2015, 16:44#1

The following from News 24:


"With Victor Matfield unlikely to face the All Blacks this Saturday, Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer has called up lock Flip van der Merwe into his squad.   Van der Merwe had earlier made himself unavailable due to a contractual dispute, but he has had positive discussions with the Bok coach.

“Flip is very experienced and can cover both lock positions, so it made sense to pro-actively assess our options and bring him in,” Meyer said via a press statement on Monday.


“We’ve had a great discussion and he has made himself available to play for the Springboks, which I’m very grateful for. Flip has always put his body on the line for the Boks and it will be great to have him back in the fold.”


Another lock, Pieter-Steph du Toit, will join the squad in Johannesburg later on Monday and his progress (knee injury) will also be reassessed.


Matfield and flank Marcell Coetzee are both doubtful for Saturday’s Test against New Zealand.

Both players were forced to leave the field last Saturday against Australia - Matfield with a hamstring strain and Coetzee with a knock to his knee.


According to Springbok team doctor Craig Roberts a call on their availability will only be made later in the week.

“Both are doubtful to play this weekend, but luckily neither of them are in doubt to miss the Rugby World Cup,” said Roberts.


“Jannie du Plessis and Schalk Burger also picked up knocks in Brisbane on Saturday and we will reassess them at our first training session of the week, on Tuesday. Apart from a lot of bumps and bruises, the rest of the squad should be fit for selection.”


The other injured players in the Springbok squad, Jean de Villiers, Fourie du Preez, Duane Vermeulen, Willem Alberts and Frans Steyn are not yet ready to be considered this weekend, Roberts added.


Now there is good and bad news involved in the lock situation.  Lets look at the and news first:-


*   The sooner Matfield is back - the sooner the Springbok Tight 5 will disintegrate again - he should eb gone from that squad as soon as possible and never return.


*    Flippie is about the worst discipline transgressor in the Springbok squad over the past few years.  He is a regular penalty and card candidate and dangerous to have in the squad.


The good news is the return of Du Toit - the best thing that could happen for the Springbok squad.    

ruckers admin
ruckers adminPro2,232 posts
20 Jul 2015, 20:40
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20 Jul 2015, 20:40#2
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,282 posts
20 Jul 2015, 20:52
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20 Jul 2015, 20:52#3
I suspect that Flip will replace LoodFoot. Flip could have been a great player if the just understood more of the rules of rugby
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jul 2015, 21:25
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20 Jul 2015, 21:25#4
 Meyer should continue with Lodewyk. One can only hope matfiled has some time to assess his situation, realise how pap he is and retire for good.
I would ask all those still conned by matfiled how much did our  lineout suffer with wee victor missing. Answer is zip. For the rest Lodewyk was a considerable plus.
Please dont be fooled by that peddalar of confusion and mythology ou JW! 


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Jul 2015, 21:36
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20 Jul 2015, 21:36#5
 Beeno: strange that 99% of the rest of the world is a Matfield "groupie". Personally I think opposing teams would be worried if you had another wee bok like Etzebeth but you don't so it's slim pickings. 
As I said on an earlier thread you have the young relatively unproven locks, the yellow card generating locks (like Flip) and some mediocre locks. Plus a hospital ward full of injured locks. It all points to poor player management/development. Lood looks like he needs to be brought along sensibly and slowly not thrown in the deep end of test rugby as a starter week in and week out . He may well break down before the RWC if they don't use him wisely.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2015, 21:42
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20 Jul 2015, 21:42#6
SB 
Even though Flippie is a Bulls player, Meyer cannot bring him into the team - as he has not been to any of the training camps of the Springboks and would not understand what is going on.   However, this may not be a factor, since it is very unlikely that Meyer in fact brought anything of value to the recent training camps.
As you said he is also a indiscipline liability - but then Meyer is not logical and some of his decisions are weird and very questionable.  
JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
20 Jul 2015, 21:47
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20 Jul 2015, 21:47#7
It's unfortunate news for our locks.

Experience over the better players in form - It's the same clueless mentality that's still holding the team back. Meyer never learns...
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jul 2015, 21:49
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20 Jul 2015, 21:49#8
 JW we have locks to burn that poor nz can only dream of.Etzebeth, Du Toit, Lodewyk, Willemse, Flip, Jaque Du Plessis. Bekker if he had been available. Even Mostert is not bad. All these players are ready for test rugby have gotten the better of their down under opponents apart from Du Plessis who has ahrdly had achance at lock but isa brillaint prospect.
Please JW think before letting the fingers off the leasch to wander over the keyboard!!
The things ou JW comes up with!!! 
However JW you do make one valid point and that is poor player managment and development.  
let us all pause for a moment!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Jul 2015, 22:39
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20 Jul 2015, 22:39#9
Beeno: the locks you list fit into the categories I gave except for Bekker who went off to Japan & probably is pretty useless by now. 
No, you better join MonsterBok & ask us nicely to loan you a few of our old players. Colin Meads was a great one... but he might be a bit rough on you boys. Mozart would probably consider him too young anyway .
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
20 Jul 2015, 22:49
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20 Jul 2015, 22:49#10
 Mr. Been,

"we have locks to burn that poor nz can only dream of"

NZ have a better lock stock.
From your list only Etzebeth is world class. Du Toit played 3-4 good SR games, thatt's all. He still has to prove that he's a good SR player.
De Jager is a good lock but very far from being world class. Flip is a machine of provoking penalties and cards. Only Willemse and Jaques du plessis could be near being world class but still have to prove it at test level.

NZ have 2 world class in S. Whitelock and Retallick while Romano, Tuipulotu and Thrush are very near and they have proven it at test level. If Broadhurst traslates his SR form to the test level he 'll allso be there.
Clearly a better lock stock than SA's
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jul 2015, 23:07
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20 Jul 2015, 23:07#11
Bullshit NZ do not have anywhere near the depth in locks SA have...not even close
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
20 Jul 2015, 23:11
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20 Jul 2015, 23:11#12
 @saffex,

name who is at the level of Whitelock, Retallick, Romano, Tuipulotu and Thrush and has proven it at test level, appart from Etzebeth.
There's no SA lock who reaches that level.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,282 posts
21 Jul 2015, 01:12
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21 Jul 2015, 01:12#13
Retalick is the best New Zealand Lock I have ever seen, probably the best lock in the world at the moment along with Eztebeth.. 
Whitelock is also very good- a good lineout specialist lock. 
In Retalick and Whitelock they have a very strong starting combination.
The others are looseforwards playing at lock. They dont have the physicality to make their marks as international locks. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2015, 01:38
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21 Jul 2015, 01:38#14
Of the NZ locks there are only two that could be rated as being international level locks.  They - Retallick and Whitelock - are not really physical enough in Tight 5 play, but very good in more open phases of play and very mobile as well.  Retallick used to be poor in line-outs - but he improved drastically over the last two years.
The rest of their locks are basically Super 15 level locks and even on that level not the best around.  The best of the rest is Romano - but he is totally deficient as a Tight 5 player, while the rest is just glorified loosies.   
The AB's must hold thumbs that Retallick nd Whitelock are not injured in the run-up to the WC or early in the WC because the quality of their replacement locks are as bad as their props are on the whole.       
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