Just as I thought Dave, . Watch the first half highlights:
Minute 18 Libbok blows a simple conversion
Minute 22 Jalibert runs right through Libbok, leads directly to a penalty and a French try.
Minute 35 Boks take a scrum off a mark, get a penalty….Libbok as he did against the Bargies ….misses touch. Etzebeth concedes a penalty from the subsequent French possession and is yellow carded. So we start the second half 3 points down vs potentially 3 points up.
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In all that’s a 13 point negative contribution….not even counting the 2.5 point value of the yellow card. So stop with the bombastic bullshit and look honestly at the games for a change. Libbok was yanked because he was losing the game for us.
Two other things you might look at:
Minute 10.0 Mostert busts through a French tackle
Minute 18.00 Dud Allende sells a dummy after the French blow the high ball…sets off for the line with nobody in front of him and is hauled down from behind by Jelonch the French blindside….a carthorse.
& these oumas think you don't know shit from sugar
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I saw Nortje's comment regarding not being able to put on more weight. Frankly the man okays very well just as he is. Many say he has been a great find.
As for stats nobody does the battle stats better than Rassie team. IF Manie's defence is so bad and IF it couldn't be adequately covered Manie would not be in tbe Bok squad.
It would be nice if some loons here thought through issues before babbling away. Bwahahahahaha.
Naas could tackle but was instructed to leave it too the loosies. The genius of this player would have shine through even today. I read that Craven rated him the greatest rugby player ever.
The facts are a great coach has looked at everything concerning Manie in great detail. His conclusion is that Manie is still with his place in the squad.
Case closed Mamparas.
Oh no Dave not one tackle…several tackles….mostly made or missed in unison. I ignored the joint tackles and gave you the one on one tackle that Libbok missed in a try scoring sequence for France.
He attempted 3 solo tackles…one on Jalibert at minute 20, where his opposite number ran right through him. And twice Dante did what any coach would have suggested ….run directly at Libbok. In both cases …minutes 29.40 and 39.00 he broke through Libbok and was tackled by Dud as he emerged from the failed tackles.
What I never saw was one proper individual tackle that Libbok made on an opponent. My count is 0 and 3. They did hide him well though, he seemed to be playing at fullback for much of the time.
So we could ask others to do his tackling and others to do his kicking, so he can launch cross kick after cross kick. Is there anything special about those kicks though? I doubt it, any school boy 10 could do that.
Well I can tell you one good thing about Manie - many of our centers can learn a thing or two from him about taking the ball to the line and timing a pass.
His the best passer I've seen in a long time...even better than DMac...look how ordinary the Stormers look without him...and Sasha...I still believe, flaws 'n all, he brings something unique to the table and Moz can slate him all he likes, but in the Frencj QF, we wouldn't have been close enough for Pollard to close it out in the death without Manie.
For 10 years I say nothing, then I make my first joke towards Dave that I think his obsession with rugby bodies is a bit gay and I get the double whammy name calling.
But seriously, are you into body building or something? You don't have to admire the okes without their shirts on. You can tell if a guy is build like a brick shit house.
We all know Manie is wirery guy.
but in the Frencj QF, we wouldn't have been close enough for Pollard to close it out in the death without Manie.
It's called giving credit where credit is due.
Go ahead Draad….defend your point. I actually liked Manie initially, saw him as our Larkham. But in the tight, big tests he is invisible.
What did he do in the French test I didn’t get?
Just stating claims which are contradicted by facts Dave….it doesn’t work.
So you think I’m lying?
So when I say he missed three tackles and made none against France you think I’m lying? Yes or no, it’s that simple.
Okay here you go:
20.47 Jalibert straight through Libbok
29.43 Dante through Libbok
39.00 Dante through Libbok
There were other situations that were joint tackles…some probably classified as missed, some as made…but they were joint efforts.
Knock yourself out. Also watch Jalibert beating 9 tackles. Where was Libbok. Hidden at fullback, because the coaches know he can’t tackle the big boys.
In aggregate he attempted 32 tackles and missed 12. A 62% completion rate. And even that’s flattering , a quarter of his tackles came against Tonga from the bench, when they were well beaten.
He is a small bloke, just like Jantjies and is always going to struggle to protect his channel. At the WC he clearly didn’t.
Libbok vs the Bargies in the 23 RC
M LibbokFH1430So in the Irish WC test Sexton tackles 11 made/1 missed…..Libbok tackles at 4 made and 3 missed. And it’s the stats that are wrong.
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O FarrellFH160Jalibert
M JalibertFH2100Russell
F RussellFH11010