Manie Libbok

Say what they want about Manie the fact remains as Draad pointed out, he kept our run alive in the WC until Pollard returned. An admirable contribution.

Noticeably his size and weight was exactly the same then as it is now.

Fact.

Actually he didn’t…he lost the Irish test and was well on the way to losing the French test when he got yanked. 

I don’t say what I want about Danie Denny, I provide facts and examples. If you do the same perhaps we could have a constructive discussion about him…not just cling on to our favorite players ignoring their obvious flaws.

I don't regard doting on only his weaknesses as being wholly constructive and unlike some on here I don't hang onto a favourite player by my fingernails. And there's one other thing I don't do and that is to pile on layer after layer after layer of the same critique on one particular player. For example I had no regard for Elton Jantjies and I thought that I'd made it clear only you didn't know. As for another example the same can be said of my opinion on Trump colluding with the Russians.

So ja, I'm sticking with Draad's opinion that Manie kept our WC chances alive in Pollard's absence.

Sure he did and I see that, I'm not blind sighted, I stand accused of failing to critique his down side just as you never mention his up side.

So Dave, you an educated man, believe ESPN a large global company with a brand name to protect, put out such woefully wrong stats. Opposing flyhalves making  28 of 30 tackles and Manie only making 20 of 32, is flat out wrong. 

And in every case wrong in only one direction, which could only imply, they an American company, for some reason had a unique bias against Libbok.

Do you see how bat crazy that is….a conspiracy theory with no possible motive.

Even if the stats are occasionally wrong they are always very close to the match stats provided in the commentaries. If they were egregiously wrong players and coaches would have pointed it out years ago.

But why would they target Libbok, a player of color from South Africa…it makes no sense.

Let's just use Dave's own basic logic agianst him .... because it's so easy to do.

"Reality is there is no issue with Libbok’s defence, for if there was it would be apparent and he would no longer be involved in the side"

So, then by using your very own reasoning here.... why is Mostert still in the side, if he is never big or physical enough to compete.

"If Manie had a defensive issue it would firstly be well documented and we would all know about it and secondly he would no longer be playing test rugby - it’s that simple"

Well, according to you, it is well documented that Mostert is not physical enough or big enough to be in the side, and he should not even be a Springbok.... so why was he and still is....

"Why would Rassie select him if he was a defensive liability?"

Why would Rassie continue to pick Mostert if he does not add value to the team .......

"If Manie had a defensive issue he would not be playing test rugby and that’s a fact"

If Mostert was not physical enough for the position he plays, he would not be playing for the Sprinngboks either.....

"So Moz, answer this - why is Rassie still selecting Manie if he can’t tackle?????"

Why is Rassie still selecting Mostert if you believe he brings absolutely no value at all to any game that he plays in.

You see what I did there Davey.... just using your own failed logic against you.

Yes another foot shot from simple Dave.

Remember when he told us that Ruck efficiency means nothing?

Now he is claiming it means everything.

First he says this...

"He is not into the trivial stats that mean nothing without context - clean breaks made etc etc

It’s those defining battle stats that require no context - just raw real data" - Note the word "defining" that simple Dave uses here. Telling us that these stats mean something, and because they mean something...this is why Rassie uses them. But Ruck efficiency also means nothing...umm. Are you confused yet? Because then simple Dave makes the statement below...

"No Buttplug no context required telling me how quickly Kwagga gets back to his feet and hits the next ruck" - Here Dave is referring to what he thinks are valuable stats...which he previously told us were meaningless.

To summarise...

Mostert has incredibly high ruck efficiency. Rassie loves this and picks Mostert. Dave doesn't like ESPNs stats, so he claims they are garbage, and that Rassie's team looks at valuable stats...like ruck efficiency, which apparently require no context and are also not important at the same time as being important .

Look, Dave is completely confused about what Rassie's battle stats actually are. But that's not the point here.

The point is that Dave is simply not very bright and ties himself up in all sorts of knots...and gets all indignant about his own silliness.

Keep trucking, Dave. I find this all very amusing.

"DumbAss did I not say that I don’t rate Mostert but Rassie clearly does - you profoundly stupid prick?"

Lol, this is exactly what I wanted from you Davey

"Did I not say Rassie was great but not perfect"

This is precisely what I wanted you to respond with Davey boy..... and you did....

Oh Dave.... you profoundly stupid twat

This is exactly my point you incredibly dumb idiot.....

So by your very own admission, many times on this forum..... Rassie is not perfect....and sometimes gets things wrong ...

So, Rassie is also possibly not perfect when picking Libbok.....or does this perfection from Rassie only extend to when he is only picking one single player..... Mostert....

I personally don't have a very big issue with Libbok, but showing you the error of your ways is a bit of fun.

No fucking ways did you pass the bar exam..... just no ways dude ..... not with this extremely low level of intelligence.

"So for a start do you know the difference between excusable and inexcusable huh??"

Excusable would be how you think you look to others...... but inexcusable would be whoever decided to let you legally represent any actual living creature.

"So Rassie is not perfect but he is not fucking stupid like you are"

Exactly the stupid, dimwitted and unintelligent response that I predicted and fully expected....

This was exactly why I walked you into this very specific scenario Davey boy.....

So Rassie is not perfect ...... but he is not perfect only when he does not make your specific selections...... 

What a completely ignorant, stupid and arrogant twat you really are .....

There is no way opposing flyhalves go 28 made/2 missed and Libbok goes 20 made/12 missed without there being a significant issue.

Libbok in the Glasgow match we lost to take us out at the QF stage.

Libbok vs the Lions in URC round 17

Libbok vs Leinster in the prior match

So there in his last 3 URC matches this year he made 10 tackles and missed 8. He is a defensive sieve.

"I’m doing a Denny on you"

You can't be, you didn't run away

Because you think you saw Mostert miss one of his 20 odd tackles in the WC final isn’t as persuasive as Manie’s tackle stats being awful match after match. The only explanation for that isn’t random error, it’s systematic bias. So I ask you a question in turn, do you think ESPN is biased against Libbok in particular.

Mozart

You obviously miss the fact that  Erasmus is trying desperately to find another reliable flyhalf to add to Pollard and Sacha - becaue he already menioned that he will try and reduce the work oadd of Pollard and wants him in  coaching set-up.   I agree with you that Libbok is not the answer and mentioned Wolhuter of the Lions and Chambelain of he Bulls are better options than Libbok,