Measuring a Players performance

Sharkbok
There is a number of issues raised here and the one that a response is clear is in the case of using stats.   Whether you like it or not all fantasy point scoring is based on stats.
Stats in a single game cannot reflect a true performance of a player.  Over a series/tournament the best/only  thing stats can provide is the tendencies players display regularly and can only be an indication as to  what can be expected from players  in subsequent series/tournaments.
The question mark really is about your following statement:-
"Frans Steyn is a player that sometimes does not score well in fantasy stats but can have a major positive impact on the performance of the team." 
Frans is a player that consistently does not score well in any format of statistics - whether it relates to fantasy or not.  What is also not clear in that statement is the issue of  "a major positive impact on the performance of the team".    Is that merely a generalized statement and what is the basis for that statement?   Is it based on a physical contribution to the performance on the field of play in the first instance by himself and in the second instance by the team.   The fact is that physically there has been since 2012 near to zero indication that Frans in fact contribute himself in any significant way to the actual team performances, since his personal performance was in the main deficient in virtually all games he played in.
The further question is, is the positive influence statement based on his experience and psychological contribution by Frans?  If that is the case - then there are questions again.  Within the team itself there are players who support Frans as a player and respect him, while there are others who do not do so and in fact believes he breaks down the team spirit required for a team to succeed.   That being the case his psychological impact in fact contribute to a negative team spirit.
As much as stats do not provide the full answer to the performance evaluation process and can only indicate TENDENCIES displayed by players over a series of games, generalized statements on issues difficult to prove as factual is definitely not the norm insofar as performance evaluation is concerned.  GENERALIZED STATEMENTS are not necessarily based on present performance - but what happened  six to nine years ago.  That again is a problem if a player was good in the past and not equally so at present.   This does not apply only to Steyn - it applies to all players.    General statements are not acceptable as a norm in performance evaluation.  They are only of value if based on the present performance scenario and only if it is not based on a single or even a minimal number of occurrences - eg flash in the pan situations once or twice  over a series of games.  If statements are just the impressions in the minds of people and not factually based then it is not in any way a reliable format for player evaluation.        The key is how can anyone be sure an assessment is totally objective?   I am sure that the team management is using stats as a performance indicator - Meyer at one stage said as much - and the Springbok Management will not indulge in personal preferences when it comes to statistical evaluation.  
On this site their are all kinds of personal agendas when evaluating  player performances.  These agendas are in the main worthless and a joke to laugh at.  

I've just covered the Stormers and Sharks games and I can say conclusively that Frans is still our best 12 by mile. 

 Based on what do you make that general statement?  Hallucinations or dreams or what, because evidence indicates Steyn had  his standard BS performance on Saturday.  Incidentally Frans was the worst attacking center last year and second worst in defending.
My method is not based on flights of imagination - like yours.   You can plainly see with your own eyes when a player missed tackles and when he misses more than a quarter of all attempted tackles - he is a lousy tackler.  You can clearly see when a player makes a line break and if that happens twice in 18 matches, then he is a lousy attacking center.   Same with the case where in 18 matches only manage to beat 8 tackles.
There are always clear evidence in such cases - not the general hero-worsshipping rubbish you and Mozart is known for.    
         

Liarmike how many of the 7 games Frans did not play, were won by the Sharks?

 Mozart
You persist spreading lies when I did answer your question.   Steyn missed 8 games not 7 - he was on the teamsheet  for the 8th game - but was red-carded and effectively missed 70% of the game.  Look at the stats and see whether he made any contribution in the 27 minutes he was on the field of play:-
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He was a negative and was jeopardising the Sharks performance from minute 1 - so why give him even guarded credit for that win - which was entirely due to Lambie and Reinach.
That is why I said the Sharks played 8 games with the 8th game having to contend with the bumbling Steyn - a handicap under the circumstances - for 27 minutes.
Of the other 7 games they just won 1.   Of the remaining games - when Steyn was present (and I do not include the Chiefs game because he was a handicap in that game for 27 minutes), they manage to win 3 out of 6 with Steyn present. 
Steyn was not the only returnee - the better returnee who made a massive difference was Bismarck.   Steyn's contribution (confirmed by stats) was minimal.              

"Of the other 7 games they just won 1" ....thankyou. Now was that so hard I had to ask so many times.

 I told you that 30 times - but you used the issue to divert attention from questions asked bout Steyn's sub-standard  performances.      

@Clevermike
When comparing the stats of Frans Steyn with Sunny Bill they will certainly be different.They are totally different players, in different teams. 
Comparing the stats of Frans Steyn with other inside centres in South Africa would be comparing apples with apples. Less Tries, offloads etc.
Do you have stats for this year so far in the SuperXV that compares the stats of inside centres for SA in the SuperXV. Can you paste a link- as I would like to check a few more stats. I can get lots of stats- but what I want is the stats for all wholeseason by each player. Then to make a comparison by position- comparing the stats of opposite numbers like inside centre. 

clevermike
 
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May 26, 2015, 04:42:21
The further question is, is the positive influence statement based on his experience and psychological contribution by Frans?  
"If that is the case" - then there are questions again.  
Within the team itself there are players who support Frans as a player and respect him, while there are others who do not do so and in fact believes he breaks down the team spirit required for a team to succeed.  (Yes, but only "if" that is the case that you suggested )
That being the case his psychological impact in fact contribute to a negative team spirit. (When did it go from "if" that is the case,  to it "is" the case?)Is that perhaps subjective bias turning conjecture into fact?

Sharkbok 
Insofar as the team spirit in the team is concerned some of my friends with links to Sharks squad members mentioned to me that there are factions in the squad and over the period since 2013 there has been signs of that confirmed in media reports.  Some of the reports has been denied - but the source of the reports came from within the team. You may remember the story about Daniel and his alleged opinion that there are too many Afrikaans-speaking players in the Sharks squad.  Daniel never said anything and his actions were totally contrary to what was alleged - yet as captain it was a story leaked to the papers.   Who "leaked" that story will never come out, but there may be some truth in it that it came from the Francois Steyn faction in the team.
When White took over the coaching he treated Daniel like dirt and you do not expect that from a coach insofar as the captain of a team is concerned.   Other than the first four matches in Super 15 when Daniel was injured - Plumtree appointed Steyn as acting captain and the return of Daniel from injury and the dropping of Steyn froim the starting line-up co-insided.
White did apparently gave Steyn preferential treatment - and that also caused ructions in the team.   It was clear in one incident when Steyn was benched late in a game and White came down to the side of the field.   Steyn embraced him - and White ignored the other players at the side of the field.          
     

I seem to remember the camera moving away while they (White & Steyn) congratulated each other. So I could not say for sure that White ignored the other players , or did not.

 Sharkbok
White moved away from where the players were sitting was the last shot after the embrace.   However, in essence that is not important - one will have to see how the team spirit of the Sharks develop in future.  

I had electricity supply problems and had to stop the clarification without dealing with the stats issue.   The basis for usage of stats I did try and deal with above - but there are two issues left, namely - 
*   where you can find the stats; and *   your comments about Fransie and S-B Williams.
The stats for Fantasy games are not available to non-members - but the format of stats generally used on this site is found in the following website:- 
http://en.espn.co.uk/super-rugby-2015/rugby/series/242041.html?noredir=1;template=results

Now for some comments on the issue of Fransie and SBW.  SBW is by far the best off-loader of balls in tackle situations I have ever seen.   His off-loads is effectively-timed, accurate and with specific objectives in mind.  He has ahd an amazing off-load record  in Super 15 this year.  Fransie's off-loads are at times inaccurate and aimless.
However, a few weeks ago I wrote on this site it is advisable to avoid selecting SBW for fantasy selection like the plague and you may wonder why I wrote that - taking into account his off-loading abilities.  The reason you could find in the stats as well.  He is a rather lousy defender missing way too many tackles and his actual record in breaking lines and beating tackles is somewhere near the bottom of the pile insoafar as centers are concerned.  
The list of valuable centers according to Foxsport is as follows insofar as SA players and SBW is concerned:-
2  De Allende            =    481 points5  Francois Venter     =    407 points6   Harold Vorster      =    371 points 11  SB Williams           =   366 points18  Jan Serfontein     =     251 points25  Burger Odendaal   =    179 points30  Francois Steyn    =     145 points

Get the message why I avoid SBW and stick with De Allende and Vorster?