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MEYER WANTS TO STAY ON AS COACH; Rugby 365

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Oct 2015, 08:04
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29 Oct 2015, 08:04#1

INTERVIEW: SOUTH AFRICA COACH HEYNEKE MEYER SAID WEDNESDAY HE IS A "TOTAL NUTTER" AS HE ANNOUNCED HIS DETERMINATION TO STAY AS SPRINGBOK COACH.

The two-time World Cup champions suffered the biggest upset in World Cup history when they lost their opening match to Japan.

The team eventually went out in the semifinal against defending champions New Zealand, but doubts remain about 48-year-old Meyer's future.

"I just know rugby gives this nation hope and if I can be part of the solution then I want to be part of it," Meyer said as he announced his team for Friday's third-place play-off against Argentina.

"It's easy to criticise and I've probably made a lot of mistakes, but I'm a positive person, I want to be part of the solution," he added.

"Seeing the youngsters coming through, if I can make a difference in any capacity I'll do it."

"I'm totally crazy, I'm a total nutter," Meyer declared.

"Sometimes on the video I can't believe it's me, but that's who I am on the sidelines.

"I just love my country and I love people, and if I can make a difference so be it.

"But I must say this is a tough job but still an honour.

Meyer said he believed the South African squad, a mixture of young talent such as Handré Pollard and veterans like try-scoring machine  Bryan Habana who will bow out after the World Cup, "will be invincible" if they can be kept together.

Agence France-Presse

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Oct 2015, 08:06
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29 Oct 2015, 08:06#2
 Sounds like he wants to keep the old guard, does than include wee Matfield. Probably .
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
29 Oct 2015, 08:09
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29 Oct 2015, 08:09#3
 
Thought so!!!

A friggin turd that just won't flush!!


RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Oct 2015, 08:29
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29 Oct 2015, 08:29#4
Trying to think of a Springbok coach in living memory who was less deserving of being given a second term but coming up blank.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Oct 2015, 10:35
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29 Oct 2015, 10:35#5
 I thought as much - the guy may be OK - but he drastically need assistant coaches who knows what they are supposed to do.   And he eneds to get rid of the Bulls deficient game plan - or better still the non-existent game plan evidenced in teh last two matches.  
Maybe - in future there will eb no geriatrics available and for a change may select players on merit based on performance - not reputation.   Lets look at the following statement:-
"It's easy to criticise and I've probably made a lot of mistakes, but I'm a positive person, I want to be part of the solution," he added." 
True - but the wording is somewhat off - should read as follows:-
 "It's easy to criticise and I've definitely made a lot of mistakes, but I'm a positive person, I want to be part of the solution," he added.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Oct 2015, 11:06
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29 Oct 2015, 11:06#6

And true to the useless SA rugby board, they will probably honour that wish......bunch of clueless clowns


Just look at his record this year.....sack him, he is useless

 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
29 Oct 2015, 12:14
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29 Oct 2015, 12:14#7
 
It's funny that he think he's the solution to our woes.

Delusional to the end.

At least he's consistent.


 
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
29 Oct 2015, 12:16
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29 Oct 2015, 12:16#8
Mike, to expand on what you have said, maybe he could stay on, but with the right assistants. I would not hate the idea of Ackerman working as a sort of understudy to Meyer. Learning the ropes, but without the pressure of having to take responsibility? I'd say bring Ackerman on as head coach, but I don't know if he is ready!
For whatever reason, Meyer seems to be able to keep the politicians happy, even though the squad is not "representative". Keep him on as the buffer and the people manager, and bring in guys like Ackerman to get the best out of the team. 
With Matfield, Jean, Jannie, and the other fossils out of the way, we could start clean with the great young talent we have and really build a fantastic team! I also hear they plan on centrally contracting Springboks in the same way that NZ do with the All Blacks! Unifying the Super Rugby franchises with a common goal. 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
29 Oct 2015, 12:39
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29 Oct 2015, 12:39#9
 
Iron sharpens iron ... wood blunts iron

Meyer is an expert at blunting the sharpest object. That much can be seen by his humiliating loss to Japan and Argentina.

No way he should continue on as Bok coach. Not as an assistant ... not as an orange peeler.

He should be cast aside like one does a used condom ... never to be looked upon again.

In fact I think it's best that his name be removed from all history books when it comes to Bok rugby.

Oh and keep that twat away from Ackerman.

Shit stains ... and that's the last thing Ackerman needs .


BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
29 Oct 2015, 12:48
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29 Oct 2015, 12:48#10
Bwahahaha Clean, no beating around the bush with you!!! I really like Ackerman, bumped into him at Spar the other day, what a friendly, down to earth guy. I would happily have his as Bok coach, but do you reckon he is ready? He has done great things with the Lions in a short period of time, but he only has a couple of years coaching experience, and winning the Currie Cup so convincingly is all good and well, but lets face it, the Currie Cup is a 1st division tournament, so lets not get ahead of ourselves! 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Oct 2015, 13:18
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29 Oct 2015, 13:18#11
 I think that in the end Meyer may be a solution to the problem - but there are serious reservations.  The following neds to be borne in mind (ex News24):-
"Without getting into the finer detail, these would be my requirements of a Springbok coach set to take control of the team from January 2016:

• Evolve the South African game plan from one that relies solely on brute strength up front and astute kicking, to one that includes playing the situation using a plethora of attacking skills;

• Play a brand of rugby that not only excites both the players and fans, but makes us all proud to be supporters of the Springbok brand;

• Move away from relying solely on a playbook, to an environment that empowers the players to play what is in front of them using their natural talent learned skill-set;

• As such, condition and up-skill the players accordingly;

• Focus not on immediate results, and let not the 2019 Rugby World Cup define you. Instead focus on a long-term global ranking goal as a performance KPI;

• Build a large base of players with an open ranking in each position from which to call from. Do this by playing experimental sides in less important games;

• Be brave with your selections, moving away from the notion of not giving away “free caps” to one that broadens the player base that can play at the highest level;

• Know that racial window dressing will not be tolerated. Instead, as part of the new and braver selection policy, select players of colour on merit and give them time to settle;

• Distance yourself from both the game and the team so as to apply yourself as objectively as possible;

• Be pragmatic - knowing that the buck stops with you, take ownership of final selection, but base that on input from your various trusted sources;

• Define and implement a policy with regard to the selection of overseas players;

• Take key learnings from Argentina (general playing style via Graham Henry) and Australia (the scrum via Mario Ledesma), and bring in foreign skills where we need them;

• Facilitated by SARU, take ownership of the relationship with the Super Rugby coaches, with a view to developing a more evolved South African brand of rugby;

• Install a culture that speaks to rugby’s traditions - the game was fostered on a spirit of fraternity and shared experience and to not observe that is to disrespect a core tenet of the game. The third half, as the French call it, has always been rugby's greatest point of difference.

Could you see Heyneke Meyer fulfilling such a role?


My immediate answer will be that on his own Meyer will NEVER meet the requirement.   If his coaching team is changed and he gets the following structure in place he may succeed:-


*   a proper backline coach - preferably a new Zealand backround coach;

*   a proper attack coach - forget about forwards in that capacity;

*   a selection policy based on performance - not the reputation rubbish he applied to date;

*   a clause in his contract that if he does not meet the above requirements within two years - his contract will be terminated  


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Oct 2015, 13:25
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29 Oct 2015, 13:25#12
 The first time I see Burger being the de-facto flyhalf in the game tomorrow night I will change my mind and become an absolute opponent of the Meyer contract renewal process/absurdity.    
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Oct 2015, 13:42
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29 Oct 2015, 13:42#13
 Saffex
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
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October 29, 2015, 11:06:46

And true to the useless SA rugby board, they will probably honour that wish......bunch of clueless clowns


Just look at his record this year.....sack him, he is useless

 


I bet that you would not blink an eye if Mallett was reappointed. This was his final year:Won 3 - Lost 5.





SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Oct 2015, 14:22
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29 Oct 2015, 14:22#14

Yeah I would have no problem with Mallett being appointed, anything to get rid of Meyer


Regardless of records, Mallett has a rugby brain, something Meyer does not.


Mallett's overall record is one of our best, better than clueless Meyer or that idiot Jake.


Would I select Mallett, probably not given he has been out of coaching for so long......but Mallett ahead of Meyer anyday.  

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Oct 2015, 14:31
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29 Oct 2015, 14:31#15
 Ahhh. Suddenly the overall record has become more convenient again.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Oct 2015, 14:40
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29 Oct 2015, 14:40#16
 Ceradunce
In retrospect I think Mallett learned a lot since he resigned as coach and he has not a  closed mind.  
Meyer apparently learnt nothing from his experience as a coach.  Made stupid selections up to the final game of this  RWC.   Selected players on reputation without regard to performance,  Entered the last two matches with a dinosaur game plan that could never ever win the semi-final - could by accident perhaps even have worked, bar his favourite Matfield buggering it up.   
Mallett never lost a game against Argentina or Japan - that is the major achievement of only Meyer.   There are very strong arguments to get rid of Meyer because of rank stupidity of his selections and game plan.   When I think about his selections over the past three years I get cold shivers and am disgusted.  It showed no planning of squad development - only stupid living in the past.  His game plan - if any - was a wild compos heap of zero. 
I he stays on it will have to be done wih major changes to his coaching support staff - what he is up to at present shows he clearly has no idea of backline play and a very limited idea that there is something called a game plan.  Strong  supporting staff withe expert knowledge of their specific field would be necessary - without that he will just keep plodding on in a dark room of ignorance.   .         


      
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Oct 2015, 15:28
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29 Oct 2015, 15:28#17
 clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 20351RE: MEYER WANTS TO STAY ON AS COACH; Rugby 365
October 29, 2015, 14:40:52

 Ceradunce


In retrospect I think Mallett learned a lot since he resigned as coach and he has not a  closed mind.  
Domdrol,
Yeah right. He never resigned. He was not even considered for re-appointment when his last coaching contract ran out.
Be that as it may, going by your argument, he has learned about coaching after he was  no longer involved. He was a coach for 27 years from 1984 until 2011. In addition he coached three teams post 2011, i.e. Barbarians, SA Barbarians and a Wolrd XV. But he learned a lot in the four years since 2011. What was one of Mallett's major shortcomings again........... Oh yes, he made some daft selections.





CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Oct 2015, 15:47
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29 Oct 2015, 15:47#18
 Dofdoos
Are you totally daft - you stupid moron.  There was no decision taken and announced and after a ruckus about the Durban test in 2000 Mallet submitted his resignation.  You are so bloody dim - Mallett was appointed in September 1997 and his 4 year contract was only to be reviewed in 2001 - not in 2000.   He did resign before a review could be finalized and you are so bloody dim you did not know the circum stances and then has the audacity of an idiot to come up with your BS story.
You really are looking for it.  Meyer has learnt bugger-all in all the years he coached and especially nothing from his period with the Springboks.   Zero in fact.  His game plan - or lack of it - was also minimal and he never adjusted it.  That BS  dished up on Saturday was standard procedure with the Bulls in 2002.
All Meyer's reputation selections ended up in failure in the end - or even early on, but he refused to recognize it early enough.  But since you know bugger-all about rugby - you would not know what performance evaluation means.  A typical example is the Stade Francais bench player and the useless bloody Matfield who contributed to half of the game losses in tests he played in since last year.  However, lets be fair - those two were not the only failures - the whole lot of rugby geriatrics Meyer so loved in the end all failed.              


   
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Oct 2015, 15:53
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29 Oct 2015, 15:53#19
No you dumb fuck......Mallett is a better coach.......I'll keep it simple for you D  U  T  C  Hman  
TT
The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
29 Oct 2015, 16:15
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29 Oct 2015, 16:15#20
 I agree we should go back to the attempted headless-chicken running game... The one from Sept 2014 up to the game where we lost to Argentina in Durban. The period when we won 4 out of 10 games. That is what we want! We want it now! It looks much nicer when we lose in style... and more consistently.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Oct 2015, 16:22
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29 Oct 2015, 16:22#21
 The Trooth Fairy
Dim as always - does not understand rugby.  Just a bit of advice to the dimmest of dim - rugby is a thinking game where various strategies are needed.  Not the dinosaur muck dished up on Saturday.   
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Oct 2015, 16:31
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29 Oct 2015, 16:31#22
 Domdrol,
Who said anything about 2000. Nick Mallett was pushed in his last job as Bok Coach mate, there is no secret about it. His record in his last season speaks for itself. He was as k@k as they come. Apart from that, the Italians also could not wait to see the back  of him, despite him clearly indicating in the media that he wanted another stint in Italy. Nah, he was an opportunist who rode  his luck until he got listened to Alan Solomons and rid of Jake White. That was the exact moment that he started going down the tubes as Bok c oach.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Oct 2015, 16:52
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29 Oct 2015, 16:52#23
Troof as inspirational as ever.......I'll keep it simple......play the game like Oz and NZ do and all will be ok  
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Oct 2015, 17:59
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29 Oct 2015, 17:59#24

 ..is this what the SAR board will want to hear when Heineken reapplies for the job,,,can just imagine them asking him why they should re appoint him..


 - Meyer,  "I'm totally qualified, I'm totally crazy, I'm a total nutter,"


YOUR HIRED



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Oct 2015, 19:17
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29 Oct 2015, 19:17#25
Dofdoos
There are two quite different things applicable to Mallet and Meyer and those are -
*   Mallett new something of game plans and variation of the game, Meyer is clueless about even the word game plan and think that stampkar rugby is all that counts.
*   Mallet inherited a top class team from his predecessor and did well with the inheritence - but fell flat when he had to replace key players.   Meyer inherited what was left over from the 2011 WC squad, but fell flat when he decided that reputation is all that count and could not bring himself to select players based on performance.  His best idea was to lick the backsides of retired players white to convince them to play test rugby and ended up with a shambles when the WC squad had to be selected.
Both were not ideal coaches - but Mallett definitely had a better idea of strategy requirements of the 15 man game.  Meyer is clueless about backline play and has no idea about how to deal with game planning involving the backline.
The latter deficiency applies to Jake White as well.
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