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Mighty Boks versus Wales OFFICIAL MATCH THREAD

Started by Beeno179 REPLIES544 VIEWS· 21 Jun 2014, 16:16
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:30
#41
21 Jun 2014, 18:30#41
 Wales are the better team so far, looking like they could win....
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:31
#42
21 Jun 2014, 18:31#42
 Boks looking a bit shell shocked...just give the ball to Le Roux and he'll cut the Welsh sheep shaggers to pieces...easy peasy
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:32
#43
21 Jun 2014, 18:32#43
 Coenie is a useless scrummager on the tighhead. Penalty, could be game over
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:37
#44
21 Jun 2014, 18:37#44
 Bean Brain whats happening mate ...not so Clever mike will be typing up a scathing report as we speak...heads will roll and players forced into retirement...coming up 10 minutes to go the Boks are leaving their run a bit late buddy..
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:40
#45
21 Jun 2014, 18:40#45
 Things went from bad to worse.Coenie not performing in the scrum. 
Hope Meyer is getting it.  
Brilliant Willie try
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:43
#46
21 Jun 2014, 18:43#46
 ....like I said give it to Le Roux...6 minutes to go and 6 points the difference ...give it to the 1 5
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:43
#47
21 Jun 2014, 18:43#47
 See how pap matfiled is knocks ball on when challenged in air by a back!! 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:45
#48
21 Jun 2014, 18:45#48
 Looks like last chance saloon coming up. Boks need a converted try
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:49
#49
21 Jun 2014, 18:49#49
 Disgusting Welsh " Tackle"
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:49
#50
21 Jun 2014, 18:49#50
 ...brilliant cut out pass by Le Roux...brilliant cover tackle by the Welsh f ullback...smashed em bro...
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:49
#51
21 Jun 2014, 18:49#51
 Why the long chat with welsh captain
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:50
#52
21 Jun 2014, 18:50#52
 Well done Walsh that was a shocker by Wales!!
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:52
#53
21 Jun 2014, 18:52#53
 ...my commentary is in Spanish but looks like the Boks gifted another try...too funny
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:55
#54
21 Jun 2014, 18:55#54
 Wales ripped off .
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:57
#55
21 Jun 2014, 18:57#55

....drop goal coming up...times up...Springboks win it but Wales will be dirty on the contentious penalty try they deserved to win but wasn't to be....Walsh granted honorary South African citizenship...

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:57
#56
21 Jun 2014, 18:57#56
 2 penalty tries to the Boks. Have to consider themselves very fortunate. Wales were dominant for much of the match, and were the better team.
Although the stupid Flip Van Dermerwe put the scrum under massive pressure and it was like 3 penalties when he was off. Boks could maybe have got momentum at that point, but not to be.
Man of the match Steve Walsh- 
MO
MO(NH)Club Pro426 posts
21 Jun 2014, 18:59
#57
21 Jun 2014, 18:59#57
Well done Springboks, glad Wales put up a better show this Test Match. Agree with the penalty try so once again Wales could not get a win in South Africa.  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:02
#58
21 Jun 2014, 19:02#58
Boks win test and a good comeback from a very poor start.But there are issues to solve.
I do hope Dr Moz realises all is NOT well. 
Sharks front row is tired. Coenie cant scrum properly. Matfield MUST go. Schalk was not that good but better than Alberts. 
We need a Reinach on the bench. Pollard is something to look forward to. Jean and Allende will strengthen the match 15. Etzebeth is greatly missed.
A one point win must not deceive us like the one point ab win deceived them.  
  



BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:03
#59
21 Jun 2014, 19:03#59
 Duanne is man of match. Deservidly so.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:08
#60
21 Jun 2014, 19:08#60
 Games getting too soft if that was a penalty try....Gatland will be gunning for the officials after that I bet...Willy Le Roux the only player worth a mention for the Boks...embarrassing performance otherwise...  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:12
#61
21 Jun 2014, 19:12#61
 Walsh didnt tolerate dirty Welsh play and repeated infringement re rolling maul. Bad discipline cost Wales the match.
This was an excellent result as all is not well in Bokland and we have known this for some time with these questionable selections. This was not good enough and the pack was the the main problem. 
There are a lot of class players out of this match 23.
Joel Stransky saying how shocking was the Wales try which the TV replay clearly showed was a knock on. He acknowledges there are some worries.
How do these complete twits get these things so wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:13
#62
21 Jun 2014, 19:13#62
 For most of the match is was just Wales vs Willie and the driving Maul
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:22
#63
21 Jun 2014, 19:22#63
 Haven't seen the game yet but you have to say the score is a surprise. What happened to the Bok pack? Congrats to the Boks for winning it, it only takes a 1 point margin to win as we all have witnessed before
Tough luck Wales but it must have been a major improvement if the score is any indication.
 Looks like Boks had a RAW Beeno?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:27
#64
21 Jun 2014, 19:27#64
Let's see if this match answers any questions about selections or tactics. I have the feeling this forum will be stormy 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:43
#65
21 Jun 2014, 19:43#65
 JW the TMO blundered by allowing a Welsh try from a knock on - thereafter the ball was rolled over the line. Not a try on 2 counts. How he had the gall to do this with everyone seeing the evidence only he knows but he should get the chop immediately as being either a crook or grossly incompetent.
I have no problem with the rolling maul penalty try. Wales had been warned and thereafter had got a yellow card re rolling maul illegalities and then they tried yet again. I mean that was just asking for a penalty try and a further yellow.
Hendricks was going for the line but taken out by a shoulder charger that might have killed him. That penalty try will be debated.So take away their non try and take away our penalty try via Hendricks if you like and we still win. No a RAW for sure. 
Boks came back from a 17 point deficit so that took character and some doing.
That said Meyer really needs to feshen this team up. Sharks front row has been played into the ground. Matfield is a disaster for us.  Look forward to see who comes in againSt Scotland. 
THIS WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH! LET NOBODY BE FOOLED LIKE THE ABS FANS HAVE BEEN FOOLED. LETS NOT BE LIKE THEM. LET'S LOOK OUR PROBLEMS SQUARELY IN THE FACE. NO PAPERING OVER THE CRACKS KBBS STYLE.  






BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:47
#66
21 Jun 2014, 19:47#66
We await the comments of the mortified snapster and ou maaaikie. Followed by the denials of Dr Moz. Hahhahahaahahahahaha

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Jun 2014, 19:58
#67
21 Jun 2014, 19:58#67
Seems like a RAW can only be for a team you don't like so never the case for the Boks wins 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2014, 20:11
#68
21 Jun 2014, 20:11#68
 JW watch the match. But take a look at the following comments ex Supersport - I hope Dr Moz takes note as well  (experience pulled the side through etc).

When you come back from being out of it to win 31-30 in the final minutes, you expect the winning team to be elated, but the Springboks looked anything but that as the final whistle sounded on this pulsating second test against Wales here at the Mbombela Stadium in Nelspruit.

Perhaps they were just exhausted and relieved to escape with a win that for so long looked highly unlikely, or maybe they too felt that the penalty try that Steve Walsh awarded to give them victory was an unsatisfactory for the game to end. As with the two tries the Boks scored just before halftime against first 14 and then 13 men, it just left a bit of a hollow feeling and left way too much room for debate over whether the Boks, who frankly were horrible for most of this game, were deserving of their win.

But as the old saying goes, it’s in the book, the match will be reflected as a South African victory in the newspapers tomorrow, and the Boks remain unbeaten against Wales on South African soil. Phew, but it was close, and maybe the way the Boks carried themselves at the end of the game was just a reflection that they know the truth – this was a massive wake-up call.

Until those last eight minutes, when the Boks scored two converted tries (a penalty try is still a converted try), the home team never really looked like making a dent when the two teams both had 15 men. (The wee abs would not have beaten England in the first two test apart from yellows against England  - never mind the abs not getting yellows they deserved)

Technically speaking, Walsh was correct to award the penalty try if indeed the tackle on flying Springbok wing Cornal Hendricks on the corner flag that knocked him out of play was really illegal (which it clearly was!!!).  (RUBBISH WATCH THE TV REPLAY THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO DONT IT WAS AN ILLEGAL TACKLE)

But from the vantage point of the press box at Mbombela Stadium it was hard to see it as so cut and dried, so it was easy to feel sorry for the Welsh, who will rightly feel aggrieved at the huge influence the referee had on this game. And you could also feel sorry for Walsh, for while he may be seen as a villain in the Welsh valleys tonight, he probably felt he had no alternative but to award the try. He certainly showed enough patience and spent enough time explaining his decision to the Wales captain, Alun Wyn-Jones.

The Boks may have profited from some outrageous fortune along the way, but they did show great character to come back to win when at one stage of the first half they were 17-0 down and they were 30-17 down with eight minutes to go.

Willie le Roux’s little show that saw him dart between two Welsh defenders to dot down at that point was what gave the Boks a sniff. That they were in such an attacking position at all was down to a great break-out earlier from wing Hendricks, who had his best game yet in the Bok jersey and is growing in both confidence and stature with every game he plays.

Once they had a chance, the Boks were rejuvenated and, for the second time in the match, summoned energy that earlier it didn’t appear they had. The attack that eventually saw Wales fullback Liam Williams knocking Hendricks out at the corner flag was a good one. There were two minutes and 15 seconds left on the clock at that point.

There wasn’t a huge outburst of elation from anyone when Walsh walked across to signal the penalty try, though the Boks would also have known the game was not yet over. And they were right, for the Welsh had two more chances to win, both of them drop-goal attempts from flyhalf Dan Biggar that fell well short.

It was a great escape for the Boks, but few would have disagreed with No 8 Duane Vermeulen’s comment in the post-match interview that the team weren’t happy with the performance. For in truth, this was a complete turn-around from Durban last week, with Wales dominating long periods of the game.

Before the game the expectation from the South Africans had been that the Welsh would adopt spoiling tactics, but they didn’t need to. They were on top in the early scrums and unlike the previous week, they were strong in the collisions too. During the course of the game there were also a couple of moments when the Bok lineout efficiency deserted them at crucial stages.

The Welsh spent most of the early part of the game camped in the Bok territory, and Matfield’s men were clearly struggling to get going. It wasn’t a great surprise when Biggar kicked a penalty to draw first blood for his team, but the real consternation among Bok fans would have started when Jamie Roberts scored the in the 20th minute.

The try was created by Alex Cuthbert switching off flyhalf Biggar after a strong Welsh scrum, but the Welsh wouldn’t have been in that position had it not been for Le Roux dropping a high ball. Le Roux did some great things later on, which is partly what makes this game such a strange one to report on – so many of the Boks who came good later in the game were pretty awful early on.

The next try, rounded off this time by Cuthbert, was started by a mix-up between Le Roux and Steyn, with the latter letting the ball roll between his legs, and the Welsh always had an advantage in numbers as they made the scoring of the try look so easily. Suddenly, with the match just 22 minutes old, it was 17-0 to Wales and the Boks had a fight on their hands.

It was at the 31 minute mark that someone in the press box remarked that if the Welsh were the next to score, they would win the match, and that if the Boks didn’t deny them while themselves getting at least six points on the board, it would be an uphill struggle.

It was almost as if the Boks heard those words, for suddenly they were galvanized. A lineout penalty was won just inside the Welsh half, and with Morne Steyn off the field, it was replacement flyhalf Ruan Pienaar who kicked the ball into the corner. The Boks failed to get over the line at first attempt, but suddenly their driving play was come together, and the Welsh started with the repeat infringing.

Luke Charteris was the first to be yellow carded for a cynical foul near his line, and it was 15 against 14. That still wasn’t enough at that point to inspire complete efficiency from the Boks, as an attacking lineout was overthrown, the ball sailing well over Duane Vermeulen’s head.

The Welsh though couldn’t get themselves away from their line, and when a long driving maul was halted just short of the line by another Welsh infringement, Walsh awarded the penalty try and at the same time reached into his pocket to send Welsh pivot Dan Biggar for a 10 minute breather.

The Boks had been given a leg up, and they weren’t going to waste it, with the only thing wrong with the next try, which was quite brilliant, being the knowledge that it was scored against a team that was reduced to 13 men. When are rugby’s rulers going to come up with an alternative system, such as the booking you have in soccer, that doesn’t so frequently result in this type of match spoiling mismatch?

The try was set up by JP Pietersen’s brilliant break from deep inside his own half, then there was an angled run across the field from Le Roux, and Hendricks rounded off in the right corner. At the break the Welsh were only ahead 17-14 and it looked at that stage as if the momentum had swung inexorably towards the Boks.

It didn’t turn out that way though, with Welsh hooker Ken Owens scoring five minutes after halftime, and the Boks also weren’t helped by a dubious decision by Walsh to yellow card Flip van der Merwe when Wyn-Jones had been upended in fielding a kick. In the 10 minutes Van der Merwe was off the Bok forwards understandably struggled in all departments and it prevented them from starting their catch-up bid earlier than the last 10 minutes.

At the end of it all, the Boks will be wondering how they won, the Welsh will be wondering if fortune will ever smile on them in South Africa.

The Springboks needed a penalty try in the dying minutes of the game to edge out Wales 31-30 in Mbombela on Saturday.

SCORERS:
South Africa - Tries: Penalty try (2), Cornal Hendricks, Willie le Roux. Conversions: Morne Steyn (4). Penalties: Steyn.
Wales - Tries: Jamie Roberts, Alex Cuthbert, Ken Owens. Conversions: Dan Biggar (3). Penalties: Biggar (3).

© supersport.com 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Jun 2014, 20:29
#69
21 Jun 2014, 20:29#69
Remember that before this match it was pointed out that the welsh team were 3rd in the 6 nations. This game probably demonstrates that if the "better" team slacks off 10% & the other team puts out their near to best effort there can be an upset. 
Whatever way you look @ this it is a wake up call. Boks have had an easy run of it except when they played the ABs, inflated results & inflated egos could be expected. 
I will read the press & watch the game before I comment much more. I may rub a little salt in the RAW wound just for the sake of banter though
What happened to the mighty Bok pack?
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
21 Jun 2014, 20:37
#70
21 Jun 2014, 20:37#70
 The Springboks were simply "Freaking lucky".
Poor performance except for Willie Le Roux....the rest were absolutely poor.
With this squad we will not make the quarters in WC15.
Shocking performance.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Jun 2014, 23:52
#71
21 Jun 2014, 23:52#71
..results have just come in and Steve Walsh has failed the sobriety test again...gifting the boks a win with two penalty tries...utter travesty of justice robbing a plucky Welsh side that dominated the weak Springbok pack throughout the game...as Justin Marshall would say 'that's diabolical"....
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jun 2014, 01:01
#72
22 Jun 2014, 01:01#72
 The only thing brycy my friend is that the honourable Sir Justin Marshall didnt say that and would never be that half witted. BwahahahahahhahaBoth penalty tries were correctly awarded. Wales ill discipline cost them trhe match but it was their own fault. The calls were correct
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
22 Jun 2014, 01:26
#73
22 Jun 2014, 01:26#73
 Brycy, I'd say Walsh must be double the limit today and may lose his Ref's licence indefinitely as well as getting a lengthy period of home detention!Someone's got to do something about these refs constantly favouring the Boks. I mean, TWO penalty tries and TWO yellow cards??? WTF???When are the Boks going to actually create tries instead of relying on Lush Walsh? Major worries for the Boks in the RC from what I saw...
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
22 Jun 2014, 01:36
#74
22 Jun 2014, 01:36#74
 Bean Brain the ref was a Kiwi...and as you repeatedly tell us, they never get it right...to say otherwise would only be contradicting yourself you silly yarpy...
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
22 Jun 2014, 02:51
#75
22 Jun 2014, 02:51#75
 If a shoulder charge to the face whilst a man is diving over the try line is not a penalty try, then what is??
Put the shoe on the other foot. If that was the AB's on the receiving end, you pricks would be happy with the call too!
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
22 Jun 2014, 03:25
#76
22 Jun 2014, 03:25#76
 ...what nothing about bent Kiwi refs....how these yarpies change their tune when the result goes their way....the boks were absolute rubbish and was nothing short of miraculous to win thanks to a sympathetic Kiwi ref...Le Roux the only one that can hold his head up...
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
22 Jun 2014, 05:34
#77
22 Jun 2014, 05:34#77
 Lets sum it up..
Settled All black team vs England team with new combinations all over the park = a 5 point win and a 1 point win to AB...
A very good and settled Welsh team vs a Bok team with new combinations all over and guys out of position...A hiding and a 1 point win to Boks...
Best you believe that Welsh team was a much better and settled team than the English who made wholesale changes every match...
AB's best 15 struggled..We have not seen SA's best 15 yet still win against a stronger side!
PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
22 Jun 2014, 05:54
#78
22 Jun 2014, 05:54#78
Boklogic the media tends to contradict your assessment. Boks got lucky, the English got smashed.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
22 Jun 2014, 06:24
#79
22 Jun 2014, 06:24#79
 Yup no matter how you try and deflect the attention on to another team or anyway you wanna spin it, t'was pathetic from the boks... and no more beersys for Walsh the drunkard...deafening silence from Le Roux's critics you'll notice as well...at least the boks have got one good player...
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Jun 2014, 10:32
#80
22 Jun 2014, 10:32#80
Yes Brycy, the Boks have one good player & one has to remain optimistic in the face of doom & when staring into the black abyss 
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