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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2015, 19:47
#1
24 Oct 2015, 19:47#1
Willie 5...started well but became hesitant, fluffed the very few attacking chances we had.
JP 6 ....generally solid with few chances.
Kriel 4....is he strong enough? Ran once in space and turned away from his support. Invisible.
Allende 6....miseed a few tackles, but was a strong presence in 12 channel. No creative spark though.
Habana 5.. great aerial skills but that card, why give away a yellow when the try was likely anyway.
Pollard 7....made a few good half breaks and tackled well. His goal kicking was superb. His line kicking under pressure was below par though.
F du Preez 6....massive attention to Fourie and his game lost fluidity, a few poor kicks.
Beast 7 ....unsettled the AB scrum every time and some nice work in the loose. 
Bismarck 6....one great tackle near our line and strong fetching.
Malherbe 6....had a weak opponent and was comfortable, some decent play in the loose.
Etzebeth 6....lots of effort and he took his lineout balls. But not as much of a force.
Lomp...3....missed the only crucial tackle, couldn't find any rythm in his lineout calls.
Louw 8...the best player on the deck on either side. A Trojan.
Schalk 5....he seemed reluctant to use the quick pass, as a pure runner he was ineffective
Vermeulen 8 ....another massive game, he did so many good things. 
Nyakane 6.....a notch below the Beast
Jannie 6....a few decent scrums, nothing dominant.
Strauss 5....didn't provide much lift when he replaced Bismarck.
Alberts 6...solid ball carrying and defending
Lambie 5...one good goal kick, but a timid penalty when we could have got much deeper and a poor ball loss. Not a flyhalf 
Serfontein 5 ....odd call bringing him on for A llende vs the invisible Kriel, one inside step.
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
24 Oct 2015, 20:31
#2
24 Oct 2015, 20:31#2

Ratings ex Rugby365


15 Willie le Roux
Showed glimpses of why he is a threat under the high ball but his tactical and clearance kicks was shocking.
4/10

14 JP Pietersen
Had very little attacking chances but did his job on defence to force Julian Savea infield.
5/10

13 Jesse Kriel
Forced into defence mode throughout the encounter with very minimal attacking chances.
5/10

12 Damian De Allende
Devastating runner with ball-in-hand when he was given the chance and put in another big effort on defence to show he can stand up to the best in the business.
7/10

11 Bryan Habana
His yellow card may have been a little silly but he showed all of his experience to keep Nehe Milner-Skudder fairly quiet while remaining brilliant in running onto the high ball.
6/10

10 Handré Pollard
His radar was certainly locked but looked to have no ideas or creativity to release his backline to pose any sort of attacking threat.
6/10

9 Fourie du Preez (captain)
Controlled the pace of the game well with excellent service, however, his tactical kicking was inconsistent which killed any potential attacking chances.
7/10

8 Duane Vermeulen
Take a bow Thormeulen! A true warrior who threw his body all over the place and showed how much of a threat he really is.
8/10

7 Schalk Burger
Another game where he thought he was a No.10 and his numerous mistakes at the breakdowns allowed the All Blacks to keep their noses ahead.
4/10

6 Francois Louw
Maintained a high work rate throughout and proved his prowess at the breakdown with numerous turnovers won.
8/10

5 Lodewyk de Jager
Nothing special from the lanky lock and seemed to be in awe of his opposite number in the line-outs.
5/10

4 Eben Etzebeth
A mammoth effort on defence and gave it his all but offered little on attack.
6/10

3 Frans Malherbe
Proved why his name showed be inked onto the team sheet as he was simply amazing at scrum time to help his team gain the upperhand.
8/10

2 Bismarck du Plessis
His work rate was once again of the highest standard and his bulldog approach was great to watch. However, he forgot about executing the basic fundamentals of a hooker.
6/10

1 Tendai Mtawarira
When a scrum has a strong right shoulder, it will flatten any challengers and that is what the Beast gave his side - scrum dominance.
7/10

Replacements:

16 Adriaan Strauss (on for B du Plessis, 53 mins)
Had a huge task to sort things out at line-out time and did that admirably, however, he could not make a real impact off the bench this time.
6/10

17 Trevor Nyakane (on for Mtawarira, 53 mins)
Has big shoes to fill at scrum time and did just that but that was all he was able to do.
5/10

18 Jannie du Plessis (on for Malherbe, 60 mins)
Remains more of a liability than an asset to the team as there was no longer any dominance at the scrums.
3/10

19 Victor Matfield (on for de Jager, 60 mins)
Must have enjoyed the chance to stretch his legs, even though he had a throw-in stolen in front of his eyes.
5/10

20 Willem Alberts (on for Louw, 29 mins - blood - and for Burger, 63 mins)
The bone collector's collection will have to wait for another day as he found himself slipping a tackle.
4/10

21 Ruan Pienaar
Not used.

22 Patrick Lambie (on for Pollard, 65 mins)
Slotted an important penalty to get within two points and did well in the pouring rain to try and spark something.
6/10

23 Jan Serfontein (on for de Allende, 79 mins)
Not enough time to be rated.

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
24 Oct 2015, 20:56
#3
24 Oct 2015, 20:56#3
Perception and analysis of individuals is an anoma ly...rugby is a TEAM game and it's not about individuals only ...it's about game plan, ideas, innovation, seeing gaps, opportunities and creating them...strategy in military terms and if you fail to be innovative the same pattern of readability will always remain.
CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:00
#4
24 Oct 2015, 21:00#4
 i could not have said it better sebastien
you talk more sense than half of the sa rugby coaching team....i think its time to dust off the coaching manual and get stuck in
CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:01
#5
24 Oct 2015, 21:01#5
 the team failed not a singled out player.....
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:10
#6
24 Oct 2015, 21:10#6
I read those Blikkies. This guy Ibraham who  does these for 365 is very agenda driven. loves Allende...dislikes Pollard. He is very naive, Pollard and Fourie were under huge pressure today. If anything was a problem it was Pollard's line kicking.
Look up the Telegraph they have a different take...an 8 for Schalk and a 7 for Lomp.
Personally I thought Lomp and Schalk we're outplayed today.
CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:11
#7
24 Oct 2015, 21:11#7
 the players played well moz but it shows bad tactics is the problem
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:21
#8
24 Oct 2015, 21:21#8
 Hard to say exactly how we could have changed the equation, but we had no speed onto the ball when running. Still, while HM is a decent man, and competent....I don't believe in second chances. I'm hoping Eddie Jones will lift the Stormers and perhaps have some role in the next WC.
CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:26
#9
24 Oct 2015, 21:26#9
 well it shows in how much bad shape we are in.....the players put the effort in but meyer had no answers to the all blacks defence and we did not even try to expose or create space.
i do agree with you moz i do think jones much like larkham might be a great assistant coach with maybe a johan ackermann as the main coach. 
the bok team with so much talent is really capable of so much more and we need a change at the top more than we need a holiday. 
today we made the all blacks look a lot better than what they actually were and that makes me hurt even more.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:30
#10
24 Oct 2015, 21:30#10
 Mo0zart
With respect - you have it all wrong again.  And so has the above commentator.  
Just a few points.  Take for instance Matfield -  His first action on the field of play resulted in a penalty giveaway.   His last action was when he lost possession of the ball in the last move before the end of the game.   He cost the Boks dearly - end of story.  Any time worse than De Jager 
You claim that Beast had the upper hand - but everybody else says it was Malherbe.  He was one of the real positives - unfortunately too few - in the game today.  
Burger was stripped of the ball that led to the AB's second try - bad news that one.  I  would give him no more than 3.
So lets look at the players where there perofrmance should ladn them:-
8 out of 10
Duane Vermeulen - Frans Malherbe
7 out of 10
Damian de Alende - Francois Louw
6 out of 10
Bryan Habana - Bismarck du Plessis - Adriaan Strauss - Patrick Lambie
5 out of 10
Willie le Roux - JP Pietersen - Jesse Kriel - Bryan Habana - Handre Pollard - Lood de Jager - Even Etzebeth - Trevor Nyakane
4 out of 10
Willem Alberts - Schalk Burger 
3 out of 10
Victor Matfield - Jannie du Plessis - 

 In general there was no game plan and the players defended their hearts ou nin defense,  For the rest the effort near to zero insofar as an creative play was experienced by anybdy non the field of play    
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:35
#11
24 Oct 2015, 21:35#11
Seb....your comments of the Springboks and SA rugby type of play is not only accurate but also sums up their attitude.
This goes for CC and S15 rugby as well....just no flare and the same old plays over and over.
Take Burger for instance....he has not moved away from his style of play since the first game for the Boks. Irrespective if he is playing under orders from the coach or what that is his style of play plus all the top teams know what to expect once he gets the ball.
That first try by the ALL Blacks should have been stopped by Loot.....he went high for the tackle and lost it.
I feel that the penalty reversal by the ref against Matfield was the turning point of the game. The Boks were on attack and because of the penalty lost 40 m and never ever look the same team again.
All in all the All Blacks deserved to win as they scored two try's and had both possession and field advantage throughout the game.
Oh well back to the same old, same old I guess!

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:49
#12
24 Oct 2015, 21:49#12
 gents even if we matfield did not reverse the penalty we at most would have gotten 3 points as we did not even try to chance our arm to score 7 points.....the all blacks are more than happy to concede 3 as they back themselves to score more the other end.
the end of the day the boks tried by no fault of there own but when you play one style at the top level you cannot cry foul when you get unstuck playing a style that is more readable the the sunday newspaper.
guts and glory only takes you so far you need more than just a wish and a commitment so be a champion
we did not lack on effort but with meyers tactics we could not even score in a brothel to be honest
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
24 Oct 2015, 21:53
#13
24 Oct 2015, 21:53#13
 OUCH......but true.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
24 Oct 2015, 22:24
#14
24 Oct 2015, 22:24#14
 Moz I share your sentiments...Eddie could be a messiah for our rugby...lift the game in WP and with Ackermanns noble achievement with the Lions put some , spirit , heart and class back into our players...I see Robert Du Preez (Naas's feeder) is involved in coaching and his son has joined Sharks...I wonder if he's any good...good players are not necessary good coaches...control freaks


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Oct 2015, 22:24
#15
24 Oct 2015, 22:24#15
Disagree on du Preez he was poor.
Pollard 's kicking out of hand was very poor but the rest of his game was good.
de Allende was good with ball in hand.
Kriel saw no ball....that great break by DA that put Kriel into space had me scratching my head as Kriel pulled up...I thought he was history for the game as he limped back into position. That had try written all over it but Kriel must have got a knock in the process.
Habana, JP and Willie had little to do but we're solid enough.
Louw was solid as was Vermeulen. Schalk was average. Lood and Etzebeth were no better or worse than their opponents. The front row was good in the scrums.
Much the same can be said of the AB's....no real stand outs it was that type of game. Nonu was their best back Read their best forward.
They had the gear to keep the momentum and camp in our half. 
If we want to start pointing at players look no further than Matfield and that penalty reversal....that was our game there and then.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Oct 2015, 22:29
#16
24 Oct 2015, 22:29#16
Lood outplayed by Whitelock.....no way in hell...Whitelock 's name was never mention....one line out tap steal was about all he did.
Kaino did not outplay Schalk...nothing in it. Schalk was not great but apart from the Kaino try I never noticed him.
No platers stood our or were poor....it was war out there 
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
24 Oct 2015, 23:18
#17
24 Oct 2015, 23:18#17
 It was pretty obvious that the All Black locks and looses outplayed their Box counterparts.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2015, 23:36
#18
24 Oct 2015, 23:36#18
 I see Pervie gives Habana a 6 out of ten and 5 out of ten.  A pretty average day for the Habana twins
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Oct 2015, 23:43
#19
24 Oct 2015, 23:43#19
 What exactly did Retallick and Whitelock do that was noteworthy exactly?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2015, 23:45
#20
24 Oct 2015, 23:45#20
Apart from Lomp who they don't ding for the ineffective lineout play and poor missed tackle leading to a try....the Guardian ratings are pretty close to mine

15 Willie Le Roux 6/10 Excellent first half, in which his first two touches were to put each of his centres away. Some great takes too. But he faded in the second half with the rest of the team.

14 JP Pietersen 5/10 Not much of an opportunity to shine. Safe under the high ball in the first half. Thought he was away for an intercept, but play was called back. Not a lot of fun in this weather for a winger.

13 Jesse Kriel 4/10 One break early on suggested this might be his game. It was the last we saw of it. The rest of the game rather passed him by. Certainly not the last we’ll see of his international career though.

12 Damian De Allende 7/10 Vied with Pollard as South Africa’s best back. He’s going to be a star - hard in defence and a bristling threat in attack. These two centres may one day match the careers of those opposite.

11 Bryan Habana 5/10 In the first half he was looking a million dollars, dominating his opposite man in the air. Undid it all with indiscipline in the second, culminating in a yellow for a cynical infringement.

10 Handre Pollard 7/10 Had a wonderful battle with the man opposite him. Did not miss a kick at goal, some achievement in the conditions, and looked good with ball in hand, which was likewise impressive.

Fourie Du Preez (capt) 5/10 You know he is key to this Springbok side but this was a relatively poor game by his standards. His kicking from the base was strangely off, as was some decision making.

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Tendai Mtawarira 7/10 Big game from the Beast. Do not think he touched the ball (no cries of “Beeeast” were heard), but was a rock in defence and dominated at scrum time, which looked his side’s best hope.

Bismarck du Plessis 6/10 Solid at the set piece, which was always likely to prove South Africa’s way into the game, particularly in this weather. Made some big interventions in defence too.

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Frans Malherbe 6/10 Weighed in with some big hits in the first half and was part of a dominant scrum. Has earned his spot during this World Cup fair and square. Did start to fade in second half, though.

Eben Eztebeth 7/10 He and his partner are a pairing for the ages. Had not featured as a target at the lineout this tournament, but certainly did in this match. One superb tackle on Milner-Skudder saved a try. Dull penalty, though, proved costly.

Lood de Jager 7/10 Big target in the lineout but it is his work around the field that really marks him out. He made some big tackles, held up his opposite number and carried hard. What a career awaits.

Francois Louw 7/10 He was a terror at the breakdown and rock hard in defence, particularly in the first half, when South Africa looked the likelier winners. The Boks’ answer to McCaw.

Schalk Burger 6/10 Huge involvement, although he has been criticised of late for appearing too much in midfield. Huge hits, too, but he spilled the ball to pave the way for Beauden Barrett’s try.

Duane Vermeulen 6/10 Not quite the heights reached last week but still a fine showing. Some key tidying at the base of a scrum in the second half was in vain and one tackle on Ma’a Nonu particularly stood out.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Oct 2015, 23:57
#21
24 Oct 2015, 23:57#21
Disagree Lood was good.....that miss was down to the Habana rush creating space....Lood should have gone lower but looked unbalanced trying to cut down the space.
Kriel got no ball hardly his fault....Conrad Smith will have felt the same 
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