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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jan 2017, 15:09
#41
06 Jan 2017, 15:09#41
 Dofdoos is the most stupid dunce I have ever seen.  Posting picks of a few cases where Kallis did some clean hitting over a near to 20 year career.
None of the pics were from his early years in the game which is actually the issue und discussion.  
Just as an aside denseness - Kallis strike rate in IOD's was 71 - which is on the low side for that version of the game.   The last ODI he played ion he scored 50 runs off 90 balls and put so much pressure on the lower order that the Proteas lost the game against    Pakistan.   Smith was told to leave the squad after that fiasco and never come back.  
By the way De Kock's  strike rate is 95.   So shut up and go back in the toilet hole where you belong  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jan 2017, 15:09
#42
06 Jan 2017, 15:09#42
 Dofdoos is the most stupid dunce I have ever seen.  Posting picks of a few cases where Kallis did some clean hitting over a near to 20 year career.
None of the pics were from his early years in the game which is actually the issue und discussion.  
Just as an aside denseness - Kallis strike rate in IOD's was 71 - which is on the low side for that version of the game.   The last ODI he played ion he scored 50 runs off 90 balls and put so much pressure on the lower order that the Proteas lost the game against    Pakistan.   Smith was told to leave the squad after that fiasco and never come back.  
By the way De Kock's  strike rate is 95.   So shut up and go back in the toilet hole where you belong  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Jan 2017, 15:59
#43
06 Jan 2017, 15:59#43
Just revisit your own remarks and with a little bit of luck you might spot where you are missing the boat, sopdoos. Enough said.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jan 2017, 16:10
#44
06 Jan 2017, 16:10#44
 What a farce - the dofdoos said I missed the boat - while he missed the fleet.   The discussion was about the early career performances of players listed by Mozart - as per normal they went totally out of line bceause the two of them wer looking at the full career of the players involved.
Dofdoos went completely stupid as expected.   So lets leave the situation since he is too stupid to discuss any appropriate issues  logically.     
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Jan 2017, 16:51
#45
06 Jan 2017, 16:51#45
There is no way that you can draw any logical parallel between the early careers of QDK and Jacques Kallis, other than looking at the cold clinical stats. You are comparing the batting stats of a batsman and a player that was primarily a bowler at that stage. You are once again exposing the flaws in your comprehensive skills. BTW. Once again, what happened to your constant comparison between Smith and QDK? And, how is your claim about QDK's progression to 1000 runs coming along. Do you stand by that?
LU
lunaticClub Pro305 posts
06 Jan 2017, 17:04
#46
06 Jan 2017, 17:04#46
 Stupid is as stupid does!
I cannot for the love of me understand why a player who is seen as one of the greatest all-rounders by a very astute and impartial cricket community across nations, be slagged by one forum poster.  A poster who by the looks of it never really excelled at the game himself, else he'd be commentating with the likes of Polly and Kepler.
When you think you are a better judge than the whole of the cricketing world united on an issue, you clearly have delusions of adequacy.
Tell you a secret mate, your opinion means less than the grass already expelled by a donkey!  Does your wife still hit you, though?
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jan 2017, 14:36
#47
07 Jan 2017, 14:36#47
Wrong Moz he used to just play on instinct and throw his hands at the ball but is no longer that player. He has now refined his game playing each ball on its merits relying on a perfect technique which initially was a little flawed with his slight Graeme Smith tendency to play across to the on side. That is all history now and the only reason he is down the other is because of his keeeping duties. He is more than good enough to open as he proved being named world ODI player of the year as an opener and the fact that he often faces the second new ball in tests. He should be batting 5 behind AB but I'd also be tempted to open with him if he can handle the load. You are wrong about the present de Kock your take is out of date
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2017, 18:04
#48
07 Jan 2017, 18:04#48
 Lunatic
I am not slating Kallis at all.   What I did say were two of his negatives - without deracting from one of the greatest test cricketer ever.
Kallis was a great defending batsman - never really an attacking batsman.   His strike rate was 45 in tests - ie less than 3 runs per over.    However, that did not detract from his performances on test level.  
In the case of ODI's he was not an ideal batsman - he was in as a bowler as well and that made him a most valuable player.   His strike rate as 71 ie just about 4,3 runs per six balls faced.   In that format a low strike rate puts massive pressure on the lower order batsmen - especially if he stays in for a long period in an innings.
Both of the above are factual statements - whether you like it or not. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2017, 18:04
#49
07 Jan 2017, 18:04#49
 Lunatic
I am not slating Kallis at all.   What I did say were two of his negatives - without deracting from one of the greatest test cricketer ever.
Kallis was a great defending batsman - never really an attacking batsman.   His strike rate was 45 in tests - ie less than 3 runs per over.    However, that did not detract from his performances on test level.  
In the case of ODI's he was not an ideal batsman - he was in as a bowler as well and that made him a most valuable player.   His strike rate as 71 ie just about 4,3 runs per six balls faced.   In that format a low strike rate puts massive pressure on the lower order batsmen - especially if he stays in for a long period in an innings.
Both of the above are factual statements - whether you like it or not. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2017, 18:13
#50
07 Jan 2017, 18:13#50
Maybe Dave, but it's significant that Kumara got him both times in the second test. A bit of extra pace tends to expose the flaws. I see him as an attacking number six.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Jan 2017, 18:47
#51
07 Jan 2017, 18:47#51
 Maaik, even Graeme Smith went to a 1000 test runs quicker than QDK....I also saw the commentry on SS. I think QDK did it with the best RR though.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jan 2017, 19:23
#52
07 Jan 2017, 19:23#52
No Moz his dismissals had nothing to do with pace given he had dealt with Kumara with ease throughout his innings' s and more so how he had dealt with Starc and Hazelwood with authority when the ball was moving all over the show. Right now de Kock is our best bat and you don't waste your best bat below 5. I only say 5 as he is the keeper
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2017, 20:15
#53
07 Jan 2017, 20:15#53
Mozart
I am afraid that you have your prejudice at work trying to find fault with De Kock,   He was dismissed twice by the same bowler after making  130 runs.
He had a strike rate facing 148 balls in the process - ie a strike rate of 87,2 - which indicates to me that he was trying tp score rums at fast as possible.   That makes him vulnerable for dismissal.  
However 0 he faced the same bowler for a long period in the first innings and handled him with ease.    The ICC said De Kock was the ODI player of the Year in 2016 0 do you know better than the ICC panel
Please - I know you are trying to belittle De Kock - but I am afraid you are barking up the wrong tree. 
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2017, 21:21
#54
07 Jan 2017, 21:21#54
However he was dismissed playing defensively....kinda blows up the dismissed trying to score runs theory. I would leave him at 6 where he can attack the tired bowlers.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2017, 23:47
#55
07 Jan 2017, 23:47#55
 Mozart
He was not playing defensively in both cases - - he took a swipe at a wide ball i n the second innings and nip the ball - so please keep to the truth.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2017, 23:47
#56
07 Jan 2017, 23:47#56
 Mozart
He was not playing defensively in both cases - - he took a swipe at a wide ball i n the second innings and nip the ball - so please keep to the truth.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jan 2017, 00:41
#57
08 Jan 2017, 00:41#57
 OUT! DE KOCK HAS TO WALK BACK! A little loss in concentration for de Kock but you can't take anything away from the delivery. Comes around the wicket, pitches it on a length outside off, de Kock looks to defend with the angle but the ball straightens a bit and catches the outside edge and goes behind. Chandimal does really well to get low ahead and take the catch. The umpire have a discussion on whether the catch is clean and in the end they find it clean and don't feel a need of going upstairs. Superb piece of bowling by young Kumara! that's the end of the great knock! 100.3 Schplotttttttttt!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jan 2017, 08:22
#58
08 Jan 2017, 08:22#58
Mozart got it wrong as per normal.   De Kock scored top points in the tests and he gets criticized because he went out.   Mozart is not improving - he is just as prejudiced as he always has been and what  he continues to write  is as per normal.
Useless thinking by a member who cannot accept that he was wrong about De Kock all along.    
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jan 2017, 15:29
#59
08 Jan 2017, 15:29#59
 Maaik. GS went to 1000 test runs in 9 innings. QDK needed 15 innings'. QDK did it with the fastest strike rate Johny Bairstow just behind him. QDK was a bit reckless at first, but it seems that he has improved substantially .  Lets hope he can build on that. Forget about GS and JK for the time being, they've got tons of runs behind them.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jan 2017, 19:20
#60
08 Jan 2017, 19:20#60
 No Oom you got it wrong.....you said he was not playing defensively in both cases. I gave you the ball by ball which says he was playing defensively in the first innings. Then you tried to change the question. Schplott (1)
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
08 Jan 2017, 20:43
#61
08 Jan 2017, 20:43#61
I have been away but fortunately was able to record the last test in RSA.
Not only am I impressed with de Kock and the young fast bowler but it was also very pleased to see a team that shows spirit and guts.
In the same breath I was disappointed by some of the top order batsman against such a weak team and wonder if it is perhaps time now to make the changes.
But I really did enjoy watching.
Trust that the Proteas will continue their winning streak.
Castle Corner Forever. 
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