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Mvovo.....finally vindication

Started by Mozart11 REPLIES444 VIEWS· 15 Jul 2015, 14:44
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jul 2015, 14:44
#1
15 Jul 2015, 14:44#1

Three years ago when I pointed out Mvovo was not cutting the mustard, that he was good against weak teams but overawed against top wings....I was villified. Then two years ago when he failed to collect a simple kick against the Bargies, the penny started to drop....but Davie boy still held firm.

 

 

So now I see he finally says Mvovo in the Match 23 is a mistake. This is a week where JJ has also finally fallen from grace in Dave's well thumbed "books".

 

Actually I think Mvovo is finally at least a decent player, his stint at fulback improved he high ball skills. Still no test player, but better than when he was the flavour of the day.

 

Just another example of an over hyped youngster. But why does this happen so much in our rugby. What is this thirst for the unproven new?

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
15 Jul 2015, 14:46
#2
15 Jul 2015, 14:46#2
Never liked him....still don't!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jul 2015, 14:51
#3
15 Jul 2015, 14:51#3
You were in a small minority then Bloo.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jul 2015, 15:02
#4
15 Jul 2015, 15:02#4

Um, its simple.......Mvovo is a good player, but a bit long in the tooth now......there are better youngsters......3 years ago was a long time ago.


Wake up Moz, Mvovo is getting on.......has nothing to do with his ability and everything to do with his age.......much like Habana and JP, its just not happening anymore......wing is a young man's game.


But more to the point......if you have two experienced wings in JP and Habana in your starting side, why stupidly add another wing to the bench......that's how stupid Meyer is......with two young centres starting, it would have made far more sense to have a centre as cover on the bench......but alas, it is Meyer making the calls here.


I mean, what the hell is Heinke v/d Merwe doing on the bench? If its not Steenkamp its some other never been......could Meyer be more stupid......I reckon PDV had more savvy than this clown.......but what I love is you think Meyer has it right........bwhaaahaaaaa   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jul 2015, 16:11
#5
15 Jul 2015, 16:11#5

Okay 29 is too old....silly me, how did I miss that!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jul 2015, 16:36
#6
15 Jul 2015, 16:36#6

Yep its too old for a wing to be starting to make a go of things as an international winger.......had he been an incumbent like JP or Habana, I'd look at it differently......but his selection now is a joke given the likes of Senatla, Sithole, v/Wyk and Combrink would have been far better investments.


But this sums Meyer up, his conservatism sees him stick with players like Mvovo who know the system......he is too narrow minded to introduce the more worthy player because hey ho they don't know the Bok system.


I have always rated Mvovo.......but never ahead of JP and Habana.......much like I rated Olivier, but never ahead of Jean.......the fact that JP and Habana are showing signs of reaching the end does not mean that Mvovo, of similar age should be the player Meyer should be investing in.......are you able to comprehend this fact......I guess not?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jul 2015, 21:30
#7
15 Jul 2015, 21:30#7
Fair point.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jul 2015, 23:54
#8
15 Jul 2015, 23:54#8
 Geez Moz your response threw me!!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Jul 2015, 00:38
#9
16 Jul 2015, 00:38#9
We agree on a fair amount Dave eg Whiteley not being a test number 8. It's just that we disagree so spectacularly on other issues. But sometimes we just disagree by habit, thats a waste of time, I'll work on it.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jul 2015, 01:32
#10
16 Jul 2015, 01:32#10
 I think that Mvovo should not have been in the squad at all - he is not the player he promised to be early on and I do not think he was ever really good enough to be a test player - his early promise was not realized at test level.   
However, meyer made a mess of his squad selection on the wing.  Pietersen is crue ley defective in pace and he also picked Mapoe and Mvovo as back-up wings.  It should have been Senatla.  Mapoe is physically small - the type of player Meyer does not like - and I presume that the fact Senatla was not put in the squad is based on the same reasoning.  However, at this stage all of Senatla, Mapoe and Mvovo is better than Pietersen with his serious pace deficiency - impacting on both his attack and defense  abilities.
So the wing selection is a serious problem and that remains a fact of life.   
In the case of the no 8 - I in 2013 rated Vermeulen as tops - with Phillip van der Walt at the second best no 8 in the country.  He went off to France and return to the Sharks recently - would like to see how he has developed, since I believe Whiteley is a somewhat limited no 8 - very good in line-outs and in defense - but short in ball recoveries and ball carries.      
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Jul 2015, 08:38
#11
16 Jul 2015, 08:38#11
 Combrinck's absence from the squad is the biggest blunder, with Kriel as another option at 6, a close second. I can live with most of the rest of the squad.Faf over Page in the match 23 is a disappointment , but for obvious reasons. I'm sure he will get a chance soon, Probably when Morne is playing. You can't field a complete 9-13 of rooks. Some experience is at either 9 or 10. That's why Pienaar is there.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Jul 2015, 10:20
#12
16 Jul 2015, 10:20#12
Very true Moz and ditto  
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