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Started by Monkey D Luffy20 REPLIES376 VIEWS· 07 Nov 2015, 22:52
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Nov 2015, 22:52
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07 Nov 2015, 22:52#1
the 95 squad had some of the best players NZ rugby has ever seen and even though they failed to clear the final hurdle thnx to the hands of the old enemy, the greatness of that team has been remembered fondly by us All Black fans.

so i wonder now after the heroics of the the current All Blacks whose core has remained the same as they became the first team ever to win back to back RWCs, what some of the peeps (kiwi peeps of course, but not limited to just ) all time All Blacks team would look like???

uzumaki clan all time All Blacks team,,,

1 tony woodc0ck, 2 keven mealamu, 3 carl hayman

4 brodi retallick, 5 sam whitelock

6 michale jones, 7 king richie (c), 8 zinzan brooke

9 aaron smith, 10 dan carter

12 maa nonu, 13 tana umaga

11 jonah lomu, 15 christain cullen, 14 julian savea

16 sean fitzpatrick, 17 craig dowd, 18 olo brown, 19 colin meads, 20 keirean read, 21 graham bachop, 22 carlos spencer, 23 jeff wilson
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2015, 23:07
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07 Nov 2015, 23:07#2
Tough call......Marshall ahead of Smith at 9, with Smith to the bench. Hayman was a 3 was he not?
I'd have Read ahead of Jones at 6, just too good to leave out. Fitz vs Kev is a tough call. Tough to leave Kirwin out as well, but your wings are spot on
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2015, 23:46
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07 Nov 2015, 23:46#3
15 Bob Scott14Ron Jarden13 JL Sullivan12 Mark Nicholls11Jonah Lomu10 Dan Carter 9 LT Savage1K Skinner2 E H Catley3 Carl Hayman4 Tiny White5 Colin Meads6 McCaw7 Zinzan Brooke
8 Peter Jones
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
08 Nov 2015, 02:40
#4
08 Nov 2015, 02:40#4
 Sean Fitzpatrick for Mealamu, Scudder for Lomu, Ben Smith for Cullen, Olo Brown for Hayman.

Olo Brown with a back so straight during scrum time you would place your cup of tea on his back not a drop would be spilled.
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
08 Nov 2015, 05:02
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08 Nov 2015, 05:02#5

 

15. Christian Cullen

14. Julian Savea

13. Tana Umaga

12. Ma'a Nonu

11. Jonah Lomu

10. Dan Carter

9. Sid Going

8. Zinzan Brooke

7. Richie Mccaw (c)

6. Keiran Read

5. Sam Whitelock

4. Brodie Retalluck

3. Carl Hayman

2. Sean Fitzpatrick

1. Tony Woodcock

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2015, 05:13
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08 Nov 2015, 05:13#6
Meads would have snapped Jaws like a twig  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Nov 2015, 09:23
#7
08 Nov 2015, 09:23#7
 Luke
More or less agree with yours - bar

15. Christian Cullen

14. Julian Savea

13. Tana Umaga

12. Ma'a Nonu

11. Jonah Lomu

10. Dan Carter

9. Sid Going

8. Zinzan Brooke

7. Richie Mccaw (c)

6. Jones

5. Sam Whitelock

4. Colin Meads

3. Olo Brown

2. Sean Fitzpatrick

1. Tony Woodc ock

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Nov 2015, 10:32
#8
08 Nov 2015, 10:32#8
 Moffie your AB side is a load of shit.........out of touch as with all your rugby 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2015, 14:59
#9
08 Nov 2015, 14:59#9
 Well I certainly hope I'm out of touch with some of those fellows Humungous....you dumb plank.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Nov 2015, 15:16
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08 Nov 2015, 15:16#10
15. Christian Cullen

14. Julian Savea

13. Tana Umaga

12. Ma'a Nonu

11. Jonah Lomu

10. Dan Carter

9. Sid Going

8. Zinzan Brooke

7. Richie McC aw

6. Kieran Read

5. Sam Whitelock

4. Colin Meads

3. Carl Hayman

2. Sean Fitzpatrick (Capt)

1. Tony Woodc ock

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WardadPro6,663 posts
08 Nov 2015, 15:19
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08 Nov 2015, 15:19#11
 Certainly see how ones age and having experienced seeing rugby chaps going back aways affects ones picks ,Moz and Mike for instance .Tiny White eh ? Thats an eclectic mix you have there Moz but if you rank players by how well they played in their day hard to argue with .
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Nov 2015, 16:20
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08 Nov 2015, 16:20#12
Best full back, here are some videos on 3 of them and my assessment. Ben Smith video tribute
Great overall skills, same as Dagg below. Plus incredible tenacity; deceptive speed; ability to win turnovers & even do drop goals.



Israel Dagg video tribute

Dagg, big fast, good side step, booming kick, good dummy pass, good under the high ball. Didn't last long at the top though. He may not be done yet, we will see.
Christian Cullen video tribute

Cullen fantastic runner & smooth side step. Didn't show broad range of other skills but a master of what he did best. Incidently, notice on the first try the Bok player that tries to trip him
Overall assessment: Ben Smith
The problem in comparing them is that Cullen finished his career & the others haven't yet so we don't know how they will do in the remainder of their time. Still, I vote for Ben Smith at full back even if based on a projection of what he will do in the next few years.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Nov 2015, 16:37
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08 Nov 2015, 16:37#13
 Another good one was Jeff Wilson who played wing as well...I always thought he was brilliant at times...the trouble is that there has been some much talent in the past that it's virtually impossible to single out...what about centre Frank Bunce and loosie Michael Jones. Even Rokocoko at wing was very effective.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Nov 2015, 18:05
#14
08 Nov 2015, 18:05#14
Out of touch with modern day rugby you plank....Meads vs Retallick is a laugh....its like comparing a modern day wee open side flanker to a modern day lock.
Meads would not have made it as a lock today


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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
10 Nov 2015, 18:46
#15
10 Nov 2015, 18:46#15
@mozzie,

damn thats one out of it list,

do us a favour and put numbers of the positions of those players, i would like to look more into ur list,

as for this,,,

"Meads would have snapped Jaws like a twig"
ur probably not wrong there, ive always believed that players back in the days were much harder back then. a hardness that was diluted just a little bit with every new generation.

the flip side is, what the newer breed lost in hardness, they made up for with rugby cunning, fitness and athleticism.

meads may well have snapped retallick like a twig, but i doubt he would have ever been able to catch him.
jaws would run circles arround him for the whole 80 minutes.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Nov 2015, 19:32
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10 Nov 2015, 19:32#16
 Okay Sushi there you have it numbered players above for you chaps who don't know your own legends.
Bob Scott was a peerless fullback in 49 who lost his goal kicking.
Jarden kind of the 50s version on Milner-Scudder. A great.
Sullivan played against the great Boks of 37...supposedly very fast.
Nicholls the best of the legendary Nicholls brothers
Savage the dynamic scrum half after the war with a brilliant break.
Skinner scrummed on both sides and punched on both sides.
Catley, robbed of much of his career by WW2 many cognoscenti think he was the best NZ hooker ever.
Tiny white the great NZ lock that wore Jaap Bekker's boots on his back as a retribution for Skinner.
Pinetree Meads the only legend that competes with Richie...with Frik du Preez one of the two great locks of the day.
Peter Jones the harbinger of the modern rugby player and scorer of the legendary try.
Do you want me to explain Richie McCaw?
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
10 Nov 2015, 20:24
#17
10 Nov 2015, 20:24#17
@mozzy,

"Okay Sushi there you have it numbered players above for you chaps who don't know your own legends."
meeeeow, mozzies got claws, LMAO,

ur battles with ur fellow countrymen has made ur default responses to everything and anything
lolz,

other than the guys from my era, the only ones im familiar with are savage, skinner, pine tree,

and err u havnet numbered the players btw,,,

"Do you want me to explain Richie McCaw?"
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Nov 2015, 21:00
#18
10 Nov 2015, 21:00#18
JW, your Christian Cullen link is a repeat of the Israel Dagg link.
Here is a link to Christian Cullen's All Black tries. Not sure if it's the one you intended putting up but it's a truly breathtaking collection of tries . . . and check how many of them are long range tries. Don't think there's a player in the world whose collection of tries even comes close . . . not even Rupeni Caucaunibuca's.
Ben Smith is a very good player but he'll need to lift his game a few notches if he's going to match the great Christian Cullen who remains the best outside back I've ever seen.


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Nov 2015, 21:11
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10 Nov 2015, 21:11#19
My all-time All Black XV is the same as Naruto's except I'd have Justin Marshall at scrumhalf and my front row would be the great 1996 front row of Craig Dowd, Sean Fitzpatrick and Olo Brown. Oh and Fitzpatrick captains ahead of Richie!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Nov 2015, 23:23
#20
10 Nov 2015, 23:23#20
 Fixed Sushi... ever , by the way, implies at least a few players before the nineties.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
11 Nov 2015, 10:27
#21
11 Nov 2015, 10:27#21
'Meads vs Retallick is a laugh....its like comparing a modern day wee open side flanker to a modern day lock.
Meads would not have made it as a lock today"

That might be true in some context but certainly not in this case...size is not strength, it helps sure but real strength and toughness goes way beyond that...Meads was the best lock with Frik Du Preez...they were perfect...Matfield comes nowhere near them.

I'm of the opinion that men all round are not as tough as they used to be...did you ever see Frik Du Preez injured or Jan Ellis or Piet Greyling or more recently Henry Honiball (at least in my time) ...if it ever happened then I cannot recall?

Boxers today are softer than the Rocky Marcianos (he was small and boxed well below his weight)...even middle and lighter division fighters like Roberto Duran and Haggler were tougher than what goes around today.

Mannetjies Roux (small Springbok centre and wing) was extremely strong and tough and a legend and would have shone today.

Manhood has gone soft in the world...there are no adversities, like struggle and war...
I look at youngsters today in my own country....lost and weak...most of them have already given up the fight.

Going to gym and pumping iron does not make you a man...any fool can do that...it's heart and character that does that...you know that Saffex....you went to a great school that taught these values...Graeme and so did Maritzburg College...these values should never change but sadly this screwed -up world is doing it's damage in the marjority...ofcourse you will get the exceptions but I'm meaning in a wider context.

 
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